Dreamless Sleep

[thelou]

Yes you are making sense.  First of all to progress the best way is to keep a dream log.  Write down everything you can remember about your dream.

You see the brain is like every other muscle in the human body.  Exercise it and it gets stronger.  The conscious mind pays little attention to most dreams, because they are a part of the subconscious mind.  When we start writing down our dreams first thing every morning the conscious mind stands up and takes notice.

The next thing you know you will start waking up after a dream.  At that moment turn on a light, and write a brief synopses of the dream you had.  So that in the morning you will be able to recall the dream more clearly.

Next thing you will start becoming aware that you are having multiple dreams each and every night.  I got up to around 6-12 each night.  And would wake up after every one to make notes of it.  It got to the point where it was taking and hour or more to write them all down after I woke up.

Then you start becoming more lucid in your dreams, and begin to learn how to control them.  This is important, because the same things that help you control what is going on in a dream, helps you to control what is going on when you AP.

Some how, this learning better dream control helps teach the conscious mind how to AP.

There are a hundred different methods to AP.  Each one works differently for different people.  But from what I have read here in these posts, those that are able to AP on a regular basis started off writing their dreams down.  I believe it is a part of the process.  For example lets call AP high school.  You would have a hard time going directly into high school without ever attending any of the lower classes.  The lower classes are like learning the dream world.  They sort of prepare you for AP.

Now to answer your question.  I have taken about a month off due to personal reasons, and right now do not remember my nightly dreams, or have I AP'd for about the same amount of time.  But when I was doing what I am talking about both my dreams and ability to AP went very high.

I started living on much less sleep.  I woke up many times in the night, after each dream.  Ten minutes to a half an hour seemed to be the normal for me.  This equated to several hours each night that I was not sleeping.  But the number of hours from when I went to bed, and got up still stayed at about 8.  Although I was only sleeping about 5.  The curious thing is that I did not experience being tired allot during the day like one would think.

[Phong]

Yes, I have had similar experiences, thelou. I go through a period of dream journaling, waking up 6, 7 or 8 times a night to write down the experiences. Eventually, it starts to feel like I don't even sleep, that I am simply observant of the molding and folding of consciousness. "Tiredness" is not the same, instead I feel the need to explore the depths of meditation.

This "insomnia" may be a result of "obsession," but I use those terms loosely because they aren't necessarily negative - if one can be awake in a constantly regenerative state with continual access to their dreams by having the nonlocal intelligence constantly occupying the mind, why not? I feel as though if I continue journaling I will reach the bi-local (or whatever you call it) state where the spirit is constantly observing the body. Chopra calls it "cosmic consciousness" because there are two qualities to your awareness, local and nonlocal.

I've never done it because - well, the existence is just so different. I'm torn between wanting to be normal and wanting to be transcendent, yet I feel those two concepts shouldn't be opposing. Shouldn't everyone be wanting this? Why isn't everyone trying to expand their awareness? Why am I looked at as weird or naive for talking about transcendence? Why is everyone going about their days like zombies and insist on protecting their sense of detachment from spirit? Why do they insist that believing in eternal love is for fools, or that it's impssible? Since I know they are as much of the universe as I, how could I know better than they? Maybe I am a fool? Maybe I am the zombie on road to detachment and insanity?

[BOATS]

Both thelou and Phong give good advice.  I started out having nightmares and decided to keep a Dream Journal. Alot of the nightmares stopped after that and I seemed to become more of an observer.  Like I would dream both in the first person and the thind person. Some nights I sleep through without a recallable dream and other nights it's like being at the movies with 15 of 16 vivid dreams one after the other. I never know however what i'm going to get.

[thelou]

Phong

quote:I've never done it because - well, the existence is just so different. I'm torn between wanting to be normal and wanting to be transcendent, yet I feel those two concepts shouldn't be opposing. Shouldn't everyone be wanting this? Why isn't everyone trying to expand their awareness? Why am I looked at as weird or naive for talking about transcendence? Why is everyone going about their days like zombies and insist on protecting their sense of detachment from spirit? Why do they insist that believing in eternal love is for fools, or that it's impssible?

You are right, the two feelings shouldn't be opposing.  The reason you feel weird or un-normal is because in a sense you are.  Let me explain.  Most people have not yet woken up to what is really going on in our planet at this time.  This is a time of a great Awakening.  So the percentage of people that are beginning to transcend is small.  The rest of humanity always thinks that any thing that is not normal to them is abnormal.  But the joke is going to be on them.

Every day more and more people are coming back to the source, and realizing their inborn instinct to transcend.  It will take a few generations, but right now we are in the beginning stages of the next step in human evolution.

It is also called the Great Awakening, or Ascension.  Here are a few links.

http://astrosite.com/__SandyStevenson.htm

http://whatsuponplanetearth.com/

http://www.michaelsharp.org/

And yes, everyone should be wanting this.  But for many it is to hard to let go of their beliefs, and look at something new.  Many people go about their days as Zombies, because they are in a matter of speaking.  They live their lives doing what they are told, and believing what they are told to believe.  They do not think for themselves, or even try to find their own spiritual path.  The biggest reason is they have been brainwashed.  Look at the Major Organized Religions.  They tell you that you are not worthy to talk to God, that you must come to their fathers and priests.  Only they can talk to God for you.  (Oh and by the way while you are here don't forget to put as much of your money as you can on our collection plate).

When people start finding their own spirituality and talking to God directly the business, (yes it is a business, and a corporation,) of Organized Religion will be going out of business.

quote: Since I know they are as much of the universe as I, how could I know better than they? Maybe I am a fool? Maybe I am the zombie on road to detachment and insanity?

Oh I particularly love this question!  Read it again, the answer is in your own question.

You do know that they are as much of the Universe as you are.

They don't.

That is proof enough that you do know better than they do.  You are no fool, what road you are on is the one to enlightenment, and ascension.  Keep going my friend and soon you will find that you will be meeting new people, that are also on the same road you are on.

[thelou]

AAAHHHHGGGGGGGG

I clicked "post new reply" to soon.  I also wanted to say.

quote:Both thelou and Phong give good advice.

Thanks BOATS, I really appreciate hearing that and knowing that my humble little words mean something to someone.

I don't know much about allot of different things, but I try to help on the few things I do know a little about.

Thelou

[narfellus]

PHONG and thelou--

I happen to agree with both of your posts, and Phong, i understand your dilmemma.  I have spend years of prayer and reading trying to piece together WHAT this world and God means. You and others on these boards have similar questions, and actively seek answers. We are reaching a time in human evolution where science, metaphysics and "magic" are merging into one, because in reality they are all similar variations of the same thing. What people don't understand they instantly deem "strange" or "dangerous" or "wrong"

I have not personally opened my mind to what is out there, this spiritual and mental ascension because in many ways it frightens me. The unknown frightens me, seeing fears manifested frightens me. I know that there are multiverses of wonder out there waiting to be felt/experienced, but i also feel that when i die and pass over these secrets and so much more will be made available to me. This i believe with all my heart, and will thus carry over with me. I will experience what i think i will experience.

But at the same time i grow more and more curious. I've also heard that the more we learn in this life, the further we are advanced in the next. So, in that sense, learning through experimenation, wise counsel with others, prayer, meditation, and focus on the positive aspects of existence can greatly enrich our physical, mental and spiritual lives. It's nothing new, manking has done it since the beginning of time, but our world culture is rather ignorant of such nuances.

[galacticsurfer]

Phong, Thelou, Boats,

I am glad to hear that what I am doing is in the right direction and that others have started the same way. I suddenly started remembering my dreams end of March then started a dream journal and now I remember 3 or 4 dreams per night and sometimes go lucid. I notice that my skills have improved in the astral/dream realms. I just learned to go through walls backwards last week and experienced astral wind for example in a  lucid dream. Flying came earlier and consciously visualising objects. Someday I hope to AP from waking state but I think my current experiences are critical to enable that or at least to make it of any use when it does occur.

[thelou]

Thank you narfellus and glacticsurfer.  It is nice to hear from others that have come to the same or even similar understandings.

Funny, it never even occurred to me to be afraid to learn about anything new, I guess I am just to curious.  My biggest problem is that I cannot seem to find enough information, or the time to study it objectively.  I also agree that after death you will know everything.  All will become crystal clear.  And I agree that we also evolve on a spiritual level from one lifetime to the next.

Hi glacticsurfer, I have also wondered about APing from a waking conscious state.  Sort of like sit down and stand up and your astral.  But I think that would be a little down the read on my path of learning.  But the fact that someone else besides myself has thought about it is promising.


thelou

[narfellus]

To clarify, i have not had an OBE. I've not even tried, and won't for some time yet. I want to learn more about it. My question here is as follows: I sleep very well every night, and i rarely rarely remember dreams upon waking, although i'm sure i DO dream every night. So, during this "recharge" phase, that part of my spiritual sense leaves the body and wanders another plane, an astral realm closer to God. Sometimes if there is an event in my life that is particularly stressful, or immenent, it will manifest as a weird dream. But even that is not common. BUT, i can sometimes recall a particular nightmare from say, 20 years ago. The memory of that particular dream has never left me. I had a dream once that was a werewolf movie, as if i was actually watching the film but not a part of it. I remember thinking upon waking what a great film it was because it had a plot, characters and more depth than most dreams (and some movies!) But, the details left me soon and all i have is the memory of a cool dream.

So, this brings up my next topic: many experienced and unexperienced posters here describe extremely vivid dream states. Their Third Eye is yanked wide open and they often slip into astral sight even if they don't want to. Furthermore, once the door is open you have attracted the denizens of the outer realms, at least some people have.

Does anyone who regularly astrally travel ever have TROUBLE sleeping? Has your concept of sleep changed from "oh, i'm tired, i need a nap" to "I need to power my etheric battery and battle my fears." I hope i'm making sense here...