Theory for understanding phasing scientifically

[ThaomasOfGrey]

I have been doing the Wim Hof method for 3 weeks now. The latest video class has revealed some things that I thought could be very relevant to OBE. The premise is that blood in your body goes wherever your focus is. This has been proven in labs in Holland. The majority of the time the blood in our brain is focused on the cognitive thinking areas, but it is possible to slow this down and move blood to other areas for interesting results.

One of the exercises of the Wim Hof method involves something similar to kundalini yoga. By increasing oxidation in the body and placing focus the pineal gland becomes more active and allows you to see an interpretation of electromagnetism. This is commonly referred to as chakra lights but it also seems similar to the kinds of things you see while attempting to phase.

Perhaps a part of the mechanism that makes phasing work is focus physically activating the pineal gland, it explains the strange visuals and I believe that DMT release from this gland has also been connected to dreaming and OBE.

I put the question out there, are the visuals we see the result of the regular optic signal, the 3rd eye or the minds eye, is there a difference?

Perhaps full body oxidation can be a useful tool to enable easier phasing episodes. I will pursue this idea and let you know.

[Lumaza]

I put the question out there, are the visuals we see the result of the regular optic signal, the 3rd eye or the minds eye, is there a difference?

Through the years I have questioned this as well. Was it the regular optic signal or the 3rd eye, also known as the mind's eye? Not until I came down with the illness of Trigeminal Neuralgia was I able to answer this question for myself.

With my TN for a time last year I lost my ability to focus as of noticing. Actually my TN symptoms were the worst while my eyes were shut. The left facial nerves were affected by my TN, especially my left eye. The spasms got quite violent. But after taking Gabopentin for 3 or 4 months, they began to calm down.

This forced me into finding a new way to continue with my AP practice. This also taught me the Art of Tibetan Dream Yoga. Many nights I stayed aware right into my Dreaming stages. Last night I went to bed, but didn't conk out/lose conscious awareness for at least 3-4 hours. But you can do that without being tired the following day because your body is still resting and regenerating the whole time. Last night I also became aware of a full OBE about to occur. Many times this actually leads to my OBEs now. I have had more actual separations from my body in the last year then I have at any other time in my life.

Ok, back to what I learned. I would close my eyes and then the spasms would occur. At first I tried to visualize, but found that that made the spasms worse. Then I began focusing on energy points outside of my body, known as the Vehram technique. I didn't try to see them, but just had the feeling of each. After awhile images occurred. But these images seemed to come from something other than my optic field. I knew this because I began cycling between looking through my closed eyes, which hurt and looking through my 3rd eye, upper eye, mind's eye which didn't cause any discomfort.

I got so good with this over the last year that I could produce 2 screens at the same time. Even though TN is a nuisance and I have to wear special glasses all the time to counter it's effects and take pills to calm it, I still see it as a blessing in disguise. It has taught me so much!

Edit: For anyone who is not familiar with Wim Hof or his "method", here are a couple of links to his bio and that info. He is quite an extraordinary individual! 
http://www.highexistence.com/the-wim-hof-method-revealed-how-to-consciously-control-your-immune-system/
http://www.wimhofmethod.com/

[Astralsuzy]

That is good to hear Lumaza that you can ap as you have a TN.   You are very determined and as a result you have learnt to overcome it.   I think that is great. 

[Stillwater]

Wim Hof is the real deal in some sense. You can't fake some of the things he has accomplished, and he has been studied by enough independent researchers to validate his achievements, and indicate that he has caused major physiological changes in his own body that allow him to resist very extreme cold, and to multiply the strength of his immune system past what is expected normal.


I listened to a discussion between he and Joe Rogan a few weeks back, which I recommend, because in Rogan's long form interview you get a pretty involved discussion of his ideas over about 2 and a half hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0jGp6442A

The guy emits a positivity and a clear call to service of others that makes him incredibly charismatic. In a charlatan, this would make him a dangerous cult figure, but my feeling is that he is not an act, and the research into him seems to corroborate that view.

Who knows exactly how he has accomplished this, but he seems to be able to impart it to others too, as evidenced by his excursions marching middle-aged people onto Everest unclothed, lol.

[theswearjar]

im not sure if its well known but their has bin scientific explanations for the going ons of this practice for along time , here's a link to a ebook  to the yogananda srf lessons, its quite long but is loaded with loads of invaluable information written almost a hundred years ago that answers ur question and probably alot of questions u didn't know you had , ive bin studying them for the past six months and it has completely changed my practice and im getting results i never thought possible,  for any one looking into being able to reach a what i guess is called 3d blackness at will should defiantly consider reading  some of this,  it even explains the hows and wats of getting to what frank called F4 and experiences beyond there witch will boggle ur mind if you can get there,   but it in no way gives instant easy results, like everything in this art it takes true dedication and determination, but it will give you a real advantage and gives true scientific explanations and methods that explain the physiological and psychological happenings going on witch will give you a way better understanding of what your doing and were your going, but ya anyone whos interested check it out        i reccomend starting at page 144  the art of concentration and the 4 lessons afterwards it will give you a complete understanding on how to reach perfect one pointed concentration at will, and for anyone whos a bit advanced in this art start reading at page 1295 witch gives the true technique of kriya  witch if you can do will give you the most incredible results ever its bassicly advanced life force control identical as that taught by budda , krishna , christ and the rishis of india of long ago, it will magnatise your spine and brain and litteraly revitalize and rewire your nervious system and brain extremely fast in the right way . they say 1 kriya witch takes approxamitly 30 seconds does the rewiring to your body from the act of concentrated will (intent) witch would take nature 12 years to accomplish to accomplish, witch is why yogis taught renunciation. because if an individual did kriya for 8 hours a day for 3 years they could reach a million years of spiritual evolution that takes the physical a long time to accomplish. but ya im ramblin, ive bin meaning to post this for awhile , but i hope many people can get the benafit from these as i have, from wholeheartedly following these teaching it has completly changed my life and i wish the same great benafit for anyone who studys and fallows these techniques        its a game changer!!!


http://leschinsky.com/books/SelfRealizationFellowshipLessonsByYoganandaParamahansa.pdf

[theswearjar]

Also check out the movie alive: the life of yogananda on netflix. ,an incredible movie

[Lumaza]

 Thank You for that link Stillwater!  I thoroughly enjoyed that interview.

Wim certainly drives the phrase I use so much here home "Change your mindset, change your reality"!

...and for all those people that have a hard time understanding why bad things happen in our lives, if it wasn't for Wim's wife having had depression and committing Suicide, there is a very good chance that he wouldn't have discovered what he did. It was and still is the driving force behind his work.

Joe Rogan always has great Guests on his shows!

[Stillwater]

Thank You for that link Stillwater!  smiley I thoroughly enjoyed that interview.

Sure 

It is my belief now that most topics take about 2-3 hours to really begin to explore in a non-trivial fashion. Modern media and the internet has definitely lowered attention spans dramatically, and long-form discussions like this are sort of the pendulum swinging into the other direction. I really enjoy when I can explore a topic in moderate depth like that over that extended period. Rogan himself is also one of the best interviewers around to me for a number of reasons: he is a self-actualized person who is happy with himself and what he does, and is not seeking validation; he is greatly open to many points of view, and exploring ideas alien to him, while at the same time being quick to point out when something is clearly a lie, or unsupported by evidence; finally, he is not catering to a sponsored agenda directed by some corporate entity, but rather his own drive to explore new ideas.

You can tell I dig both people in that particular interview, which is another reason I really enjoyed that discussion.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

This turned into a great thread. I have seen the Rogan interview, that is how I got onto Wim Hof originally. The full course is quite good so far, albeit very expensive. There is another brilliant interview from last week which discusses the possibilities of Atlantean civilization and its impact on other ancient cultures with fairly solid evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8

But these images seemed to come from something other than my optic field. I knew this because I began cycling between looking through my closed eyes, which hurt and looking through my 3rd eye, upper eye, mind's eye which didn't cause any discomfort.

I got so good with this over the last year that I could produce 2 screens at the same time. Even though TN is a nuisance and I have to wear special glasses all the time to counter it's effects and take pills to calm it, I still see it as a blessing in disguise. It has taught me so much!

This is interesting - can you describe the second screen in more detail? Where does it exist? I have experienced the regular, in front of your eyes screen with both physical and seemingly non physical input such as clouds of green and purple.

Then there is the mysterious viewport that doesn't seem to have any spacial correlation. Inside this I usually see resolved images and sometimes short lived dreams.

I have realized that focusing on vision seems to activate my physical eyes more than I would like. To avoid this I put myself into a mental zone where I am ignoring the screen behind my eyes. In this mode I don't really see anything, you are somewhat unaware of even the backs of your eyes. From this point the non-spacial viewport can emerge suddenly.

I don't know how all of this ties in with focus on the 3rd eye. The instructions for doing so seem to vary from instructor to instructor, I feel like I am not doing it correctly.

i reccomend starting at page 144  the art of concentration and the 4 lessons afterwards it will give you a complete understanding on how to reach perfect one pointed concentration at will

The book seems really good so far, a mechanical method to removing sense input as a distraction is something I have been searching for. I haven't made it to the detail on how it all works yet but I hope it works for me!

[Lumaza]

Sure  

It is my belief now that most topics take about 2-3 hours to really begin to explore in a non-trivial fashion. Modern media and the internet has definitely lowered attention spans dramatically, and long-form discussions like this are sort of the pendulum swinging into the other direction. I really enjoy when I can explore a topic in moderate depth like that over that extended period. Rogan himself is also one of the best interviewers around to me for a number of reasons: he is a self-actualized person who is happy with himself and what he does, and is not seeking validation; he is greatly open to many points of view, and exploring ideas alien to him, while at the same time being quick to point out when something is clearly a lie, or unsupported by evidence; finally, he is not catering to a sponsored agenda directed by some corporate entity, but rather his own drive to explore new ideas.

You can tell I dig both people in that particular interview, which is another reason I really enjoyed that discussion.

...and they drink beer while doing it, lol.   Joe creates a very comfortable atmosphere for his guests and shows that he sincerely appreciates what they stand for.

I have never had any problem listening to a 2 or even 4 hour interview. Coast to Coast, Art Bell, The Paracast, Darkness Radio, all of those shows go for 4 hours. Coast to Coast usually splits it up to 2 two hour segments though. Joe normally does 2 hour segments on his shows, but he doesn't focus entirely on the Paranormal as the other shows do. ...and yes the "commercial free" aspect of Joe's show is definitely welcomed! He is my favorite though. As long as the topic of discussion from any venue is interesting, I listen to the whole thing. I especially enjoy the "caller" segments of those shows as well.

[Lumaza]

This turned into a great thread. I have seen the Rogan interview, that is how I got onto Wim Hof originally. The full course is quite good so far, albeit very expensive. There is another brilliant interview from last week which discusses the possibilities of Atlantean civilization and its impact on other ancient cultures with fairly solid evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8

This is interesting - can you describe the second screen in more detail? Where does it exist? I have experienced the regular, in front of your eyes screen with both physical and seemingly non physical input such as clouds of green and purple.

Then there is the mysterious viewport that doesn't seem to have any spacial correlation. Inside this I usually see resolved images and sometimes short lived dreams.

I have realized that focusing on vision seems to activate my physical eyes more than I would like. To avoid this I put myself into a mental zone where I am ignoring the screen behind my eyes. In this mode I don't really see anything, you are somewhat unaware of even the backs of your eyes. From this point the non-spacial viewport can emerge suddenly.

I don't know how all of this ties in with focus on the 3rd eye. The instructions for doing so seem to vary from instructor to instructor, I feel like I am not doing it correctly.

The book seems really good so far, a mechanical method to removing sense input as a distraction is something I have been searching for. I haven't made it to the detail on how it all works yet but I hope it works for me!

Thanks for the link Theory, another video to listen to tonight! 

The second screen seems like it is much higher up. It actually seems like it doesn't even come from the location of the head at all. The first screen is easy to identify with. It's right in front of me. I see through it like I do my regular open eyes. The second screen begins in a cloudier atmosphere though. It's like I can actually see a "border" around it as well, akin to looking through a tunnel or telescope. The border seems to be either of a round or oval shape. The images start off as just basic shapes, but then seem to come to life. But like I explained above, I have no pain while viewing them, so I know I am not using my optic nerve to view them.

I first began doing this while doing a technique known as squeezing the brain. Well, the part of the brain that you wanted to apply pressure to was the "Pineal Gland".  I went and studied the brain and found the exact spot of the brain that the Pineal Gland was found. I had seen a show on TV that described many monuments found around the World that looked just like the Pineal Gland. Even the Vatican had these "acorn" shaped monuments. I read how the ancients used to focus on these areas to open up their 3rd eye. I couldn't use my physical eyes for AP anymore, so I needed to find a new way if I wished to continue my practice.

At first I questioned whether my optic nerve could have just relaxed and that's why the pain was gone. But then I began cycling between the two screens and saw that I definitely still experienced the pain while viewing through my closed eyes. The strange part comes when I can view them both at the same time and keep awareness on my physical body at the same time.

Your definition of putting yourself in the "mental zone and ignoring the screen behind your eyes" seems to be the same as what I have to do. You can use that "mental zone" or you can just simply focus on the "feeling" of points outside of the body. Both techniques negate the use of using the physical eyes.  You don't need an "instructor". All you need to do is experiment yourself and find what "feels" right to you. You will know it once you find it. I enjoy experimenting. I try many different ways to achieve the same purpose. I like to share them here on the Astral Pulse for people that are looking for something that might feel right for them. I want them to use them as a guide, but to alter them into a "formula" that works for them on a personal level.

I perused through that book a bit last night and found some good material. Although they are too much on the "religion/spiritual" aspect for me, that normally comes with the territory and their cultural beliefs.

[theswearjar]

its defanitley a bit religious and spiritual  witch is great if ur into that thing like me , but like most things even if it isnt your cup of tea its still choked full of valuable information worth knowing , ya jst gota read between the lines kinda, take what ya can from it leave the rest , i foudn the part about how the heart controls the senses through the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system pretty interesting , for ppl who didnt check it out it basically explains when you oxygenate the blood and revitalize the nerves and get your body and mind into complete relaxation , through focusing on the point between your eyebrows  (the part of the brain that controls will power and concentration) and being aware of ( not focusing on ) your breath you can start to control the life force.your breath will slowly start to calm and (happens faster each time with practice) as a result your heart slows down , and because your body is so oxygenated and relaxed it stops producing co2 rich blood for your lungs to clean and your heart to pump, so in time they seem to completely stop, and when the heart goes into rest it retracts the life force from ur heart witch in turn  switches off ur five senses, bringing the life force back into the spine and brain, and the resulting freed life force starts to revitalize every cell  in your body, but when your five senses turn off you have no more imput coming in creating new thoughts witch will stop all thoughts caused by past memories freeing the single pointed concentration to do what it wants, personally it helped me completely get over the breathe thing and now i can get into the deepest concentrations i have ever bin able to.  rather quickly. when the body is in complete rest and the mind immersed in total concentration its a wonderful feeling.   thees also a few lessons in there i forget wat page but he talks about the ringing in the ears and how to use that to get to deep states on consciousness witch will lead to intense vibrations and how to utilize that vibrating feeling to expand your consciousness to Christ consciousness (experiencing everything on the planet and eventually all manifestation as your body all at once) ive had it happen a few times personally so it can happen from these techniques.   defiantly changes the way you look at life in general tho (for the better) 

[Lumaza]

 i foudn the part about how the heart controls the senses through the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system pretty interesting , for ppl who didnt check it out it basically explains when you oxygenate the blood and revitalize the nerves and get your body and mind into complete relaxation , through focusing on the point between your eyebrows  (the part of the brain that controls will power and concentration) and being aware of ( not focusing on ) your breath you can start to control the life force.your breath will slowly start to calm and (happens faster each time with practice) as a result your heart slows down , and because your body is so oxygenated and relaxed it stops producing co2 rich blood for your lungs to clean and your heart to pump, so in time they seem to completely stop, and when the heart goes into rest it retracts the life force from ur heart witch in turn  switches off ur five senses, bringing the life force back into the spine and brain, and the resulting freed life force starts to revitalize every cell  in your body, but when your five senses turn off you have no more imput coming in creating new thoughts witch will stop all thoughts caused by past memories freeing the single pointed concentration to do what it wants, personally

That process reminds me of a technique I did before that I found on the web known a "Throat Breathing". With Throat Breathing you are creating a "raspy" breath that you actually force and hear. At the same time you are concentrating on the area between your brows. Then you begin to create a Pyramid effect by concentrating on your 3rd eye (brow) and your 2 out stretched hands simultaneously. This created some pretty cool visual illusions, especially based on the color purple. From there you incorporate your Heart, lungs and anything else you wish to add into the "focus". It can create some strong Kundalini sensations as well.

[Shenlord]

Lumaza,
What book or resource did you use to learn the art of Dream Yoga?

[Lumaza]

Lumaza,
What book or resource did you use to learn the art of Dream Yoga?

I had heard Robert Moss talking about "active Dreaming. But when it come down to it, my teacher was Trigeminal Neuralgia. I'm sure my higher self played the role in creating it. But with TN I couldn't just fall asleep like regular people did. When I began experiencing staying awake well into my Dreams, I did a search on YouTube for any videos about Tibetan Dream Yoga, but they only explained the History of it. They didn't really get into the "applications" of it.

Here's a link to a thread that was made here on the Astral Pulse to a couple of Robert Moss videos. They are excellent.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dreaming_is_waking_up-t39742.0.html