Let me start this with an experience and I'll get to the point. 6 months ago my cousin Samantha passed away unexpectedly from a drug overdose. We were close as kids but as we got older we lost contact.. I went to her wake, it was quite sad as she died on her 32nd birthday, its very young.. So that night I had a spontaneous OBE, I found myself standing on the side of a road when a car pulled up, It was Samantha! I got in the car and she took me to a house on the ocean, her new house. She looked great, laughing and smiling, she was really proud of this new house. I tried to ask about her death but she didn't want to talk about it, she was insistent that I just take the tour of the new place. It was nice, the ocean surrounded the place, the water was right at the back door. And that was that, I got the message, she was OK.
Anyway, I knew this message wasn't for me as we hadn't talked for a very long time. I wanted to tell her sister Mary but it's not that easy to do without sounding like a loony tune... I didn't say anything... Then, a couple months later Mary posted something on Facebook related to a new age topic and then I felt like maybe I wouldn't sound so crazy. I told her the whole story and she was thankful for it. We talked about OBE's in general for a while, I told some of my other experiences and she was genuinely interested... This is where we get to Erin Pavlina, She did some searches on astral projection and found Erin, the next thing I know I'm getting messages about how demons can take over your body and how everything thing is out to get you. Which I responded that Erin doesn't know whats she's talking about, we all know that. Then I she asked me about astral sex, sure it sounds like fun but it ends my experiences just thinking about it, or if I'm able to follow through I wake up feeling like I wasted a perfectly good experience, so I avoid it. It just sucks that the first thing people find when they research AP is Erin Pavlina, she does much more harm than good, never mind that she charges 800 bucks for a "reading". Anyway, I'm thankful that I found this site and all you folks :-)
Really nice experience. :-)
And I couldn't agree with you more about Erin Pavlina. She's a fear-spreader of the worst kind, because she can easily get your attention. Sadly.
My hope with teaching Projection is that I can get to a new person before they've poisoned their minds too much.
I googled ap and unfortunately found Erin's page before I found this website, she freaked me out so bad I didn't sleep good for 2 weeks! She should be careful what she posts especially for people like me that ap naturally. I've since learned to control them but when you fall asleep and just pop out you don't won't to read that a demons going to be at the foot of your bed! I hope newbies resist the urge to click on her website :evil:
Quote from: Rachael Hicks on February 21, 2014, 18:10:48
I googled ap and unfortunately found Erin's page before I found this website, she freaked me out so bad I didn't sleep good for 2 weeks! She should be careful what she posts especially for people like me that ap naturally. I've since learned to control them but when you fall asleep and just pop out you don't won't to read that a demons going to be at the foot of your bed! I hope newbies resist the urge to click on her website :evil:
Well the thing is this: SHE BELIEVES IT.
That's a huge problem, because it's part of her reality, which means it's part of her experiences now too.
No idea where she learned it from, but where/who ever it was they did her no service by instilling that fear in her.
It's really funny too... people who experience these "demons" are so indoctrinated into the belief now that they also believe that the solution MUST be something really complicated... when in reality it's as simple as waking up and stop believing. I've told so many people this and they laugh at me... meh. No skin off my "not experiencing demons" nose. :)
I agree with you, I've only thought I came into contact with a demonic entity once but after I realized I created it from being afraid of the unknown I've never had a incident again. It's really hard to teach people not to be afraid and to let go of their egos. Wish there was a button you could push lol
Hear is a post from Erin's web page , she is stating that a demon can not take over some one while out of body .
. Can someone take over your body while you're astral?
No. Your astral cord is like a bookmark, it holds your place. Nothing and no one can take your body while you're out. That isn't to say that something can't be standing right next to it and when you want to go back to your body it tries to tell you that you don't. Don't listen to those blokes. They are not nice. You are allowed to go back to your body anytime you want. Simply will yourself back, or step back into your body when you're ready to come back.
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2012/06/top-10-astral-projection-questions-answered/
She also discusses sex with demons and states it is possable , but not a good idea .
There are web sites on demon sex ( not Erin's ) I post 2 , there easy to find . They contain adult lang. I know nothing about the sites .
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Incubus.html
http://www.aeriagloris.com/SpiritualSex/howtohavesexwithdemons.htm
Really what I was getting at was her ability to scare people, for instance if you google "astral projection" Erin Pavlina pops up maybe 5th on the list with a page titled "The Dangers Of Astral Projection". As a beginner you don't want to be indoctrinated with fears.. In the NP you could have sex with a ghost raptor from mars if you wanted, the fact is that the astral is what you make it and beginners don't understand that... luckily I had a bunch of good experiences before I read any of that garbage, it was easily dismissed upon further reading...
True but everyone has their own opinions and they will choose to believe her till they get proof otherwise. I choose to believe its garbage as well, but to each their own. As Campbell said taste the pudding and my pudding doesn't have demons in it! It has sprinkles and rainbows lol :-D
Quote from: desert-rat on February 21, 2014, 19:21:52
Hear is a post from Erin's web page , she is stating that a demon can not take over some one while out of body .
. Can someone take over your body while you're astral?
No. Your astral cord is like a bookmark, it holds your place. Nothing and no one can take your body while you're out. That isn't to say that something can't be standing right next to it and when you want to go back to your body it tries to tell you that you don't. Don't listen to those blokes. They are not nice. You are allowed to go back to your body anytime you want. Simply will yourself back, or step back into your body when you're ready to come back.
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2012/06/top-10-astral-projection-questions-answered/
She also discusses sex with demons and states it is possable , but not a good idea .
I can almost guarantee she's simply parroting that "astral cord" statement...
Quote from: Rachael Hicks on February 21, 2014, 20:38:29
True but everyone has their own opinions and they will choose to believe her till they get proof otherwise. I choose to believe its garbage as well, but to each their own. As Campbell said taste the pudding and my pudding doesn't have demons in it! It has sprinkles and rainbows lol :-D
\o/
Rachael, you win. :)
I think you should really read Erin's blog on the dangers of a.p. I dont think she is trying to frighten any one . Now if you want to read some strange beliefs you should read some of Robert Bruce's blogs. I remember one where he stated that a spirit would not cross water ( like a garden hose). If you want some thing scary check out some of the you tube videos on the danger of astral projection made by different church groups .
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/12/the-dangers-of-astral-projection/
http://www.astraldynamics.com/astral-projection/
Quote from: Xanth on February 21, 2014, 21:19:26
I can almost guarantee she's simply parroting that "astral cord" statement...
She probly has takken her blogs form other materal .
Thank you Xanth :lol:
Hear is Erin's blog on astral sex with demons , its more of a warning , of what the demon might do . Contains adult lang.
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2012/03/astral-sex-the-ecstasy-of-out-of-body-pleasure/
Thanks for the link, what's your take on the subject? :?
I have had a few discussions with Erin , over on the Pavlina ( Steve Pavlina ) forum when it was still up . On sex with demons , I just dont see the point in it . Astral sex with humans and other beings has been discussed on this forum a few times .
Well.. I'm wrong I guess. I'll go back to just reading this site from now on.
There is lots of info on astral projection . I think its ok to read all you can on a.p. , even the scary stuff , just understand the mind set of who wrote it . There is at least 1 you tube video made by a Polish church group stating that a.p. is a sin and you will burn in hell , its funny to watch ( and not true ) A post I made on Half way on that video , and a link to a discussion on another forum .
A link to a post made by Robert Bruce , where he states that a spirit an not cross water .
http://halfway.oceanfalls.org/index.php?topic=3004.0
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?8549-Psychic-Security-(Robert-Bruce)
I find it interesting I mentioned this to Xanth the other day (Erin Pavlina can be a non physical hindrance). She scared me at first, then I did my research. The non physical is sending us all a message ;) time to unite and stop the Astral protagonist. Hmmm...I may just wait till the world discoveries her gossip is nonsense ;)
Looke (:
Quote from: Lookedynamixhales on February 22, 2014, 20:17:04
I find it interesting I mentioned this to Xanth the other day (Erin Pavlina can be a non physical hindrance). She scared me at first, then I did my research. The non physical is sending us all a message ;) time to unite and stop the Astral protagonist. Hmmm...I may just wait till the world discoveries her gossip is nonsense ;)
Looke (:
The problem is, it's not nonsense to her! :-P
This is her reality and she is teaching it as she sees it to be.
Quote from: Lionheart on February 22, 2014, 21:26:49
The problem is, it's not nonsense to her! :-P
This is her reality and she is teaching it as she sees it to be.
I understand that and try hard to respect it. Though it is quite damaging to some people often creating fear than helping. I get it we all have personal truths however these truths need to be personal, I think people nowadays find it so hard to project because of all the personal truths they try to process in the brain. As Xanth said they need to experience projection for them selves before coming to any conclusion but how to do you do that when your own human nature naively absorbs all the different bits of information you have access to?
Looke (:
As you know Pavlina has not done anything wrong. It is what she believes is to be true. It is important not to believe everything you read, particularly with ap. When I read about ap, I think that sounds good. I like that. When I see something that I think is rubbish I ignore it. I learn from what I think is sensible and I ignore the rest.
Quote from: Astralsuzy on February 23, 2014, 15:00:59
As you know Pavlina has not done anything wrong. It is what she believes is to be true.
Problem with this is that she and others like her should it make more clear often that it is "their" belief. But they don't. They state these things as "FACT" to their clientele instead of stating that it is only what they derived from their own experience (if at all). Unfortunately there are many gullible people out there who are beginners maybe and are exposed to her 'information' only before they ever go somewhere else to get a different viewpoint. Hence the fear porn keeps sticking with them or even prevents them from going on.
Exactly this is my opinion too. Volgerle hit the nail on the head. A beginner is exposed to this information stated as "fact" and to be fair a newbie is not going to dismiss it as rubbish when they know very little if not nothing on the subject. I am not saying she is a bad person or anything along those lines a tall she seems to be an intelligent women however she does write her opinions as fact. I am not "bashing" her or trying to discredit her in anyway but it makes me sad people get tainted by her words.
Looke (:
Quote from: Volgerle on February 23, 2014, 16:04:06
Problem with this is that she and others like her should it make more clear often that it is "their" belief. But they don't. They state these things as "FACT" to their clientele instead of stating that it is only what they derived from their own experience (if at all). Unfortunately there are many gullible people out there who are beginners maybe and are exposed to her 'information' only before they ever go somewhere else to get a different viewpoint. Hence the fear porn keeps sticking with them or even prevents them from going on.
You do have a good point. I was lucky that I had a number of aps so I had some knowledge. I was able to separate what was sensible and the ridiculous things. If I knew nothing then that might have been different. I could have fallen for it. I was very lucky.
Quote from: Volgerle on February 23, 2014, 16:04:06
Problem with this is that she and others like her should it make more clear often that it is "their" belief. But they don't. They state these things as "FACT" to their clientele instead of stating that it is only what they derived from their own experience (if at all). Unfortunately there are many gullible people out there who are beginners maybe and are exposed to her 'information' only before they ever go somewhere else to get a different viewpoint. Hence the fear porn keeps sticking with them or even prevents them from going on.
That's just it though, it's not a belief or opinion to her. It *is* fact to her. Honestly, I wouldn't want anyone to say anything that wasn't at the very least a personal truth. She's only doing what we all do here: speak from her experience. It's just unfortunate what her experience includes.
The things I teach here are personal truths... The difference though is that I try to recognize the fear-based experiences and attempt to nudge people away from them. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Hehe I'm encountering some people like that on Facebook right now in fact. LoL
So I can't really condemn Erin for what she says, but I can try to guide people towards a more Love-based approach.
Some of the people teaching a.p. methods say to use white light protection others dont . I guess its kinda like carring a gun with you in a dangerous part of town . Nothing that I have read from Erin has scared me . Maby its that I read books by Monroe , Buhlman , Sutphen , ect. I dont know . Its her ex. Steve that I could just never under stand .
p.s. a link to Steve's blogs , for some reasion , I have trouble understanding him.
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/
Once you realize that white light is only a tool you use to focus your Intent, you're free to leave it behind if you want and use whatever you like... Or nothing!
Too many people think that their tools are objective and that they must be used in a certain manner to "stay safe".
Honestly if someone told people on their website that ap is beautiful and easy and you don't need a psychic to help you, then nobody would feel the urge to fork over hundreds of dollars. I'm not downing her either I realize this is her source of income. Who wants to pay money for her help if "it's really not needed"??? :?
Quote from: Rachael Hicks on February 24, 2014, 19:46:27
Who wants to pay money for her help if "it's really not needed"??? :?
Before I knew this site existed I did buy programs. But to me that told me the seriousness of my mission.
...and they were helped immensely. But they weren't hell bent on Fear scenarios and Demons though.
I don't understand why she would even want to AP herself if she finds it such a place of Horror. :?
Me either, I would do everything in my power not to ap if i was having such a hard time like she does. I agree with buying material, I've bought books from Llewellyn, Monroe, McKnight etc. there's a difference in buying material than buying 'advice'. Advice and opinions are like a**holes Everybody has one :-D
Interesting....
I've met some one like Erin Pavlina......
Totally into demons and all that. Said they followed her around and tried to steal her energy.
The more I talked to her, the more I realized she needed that. Needed to have some thing
scary to make her feel strong and powerful around others. Like me, who's experiences have been
largely positive and good.
To each there own I guess !
But look out ! :evil:
Quote from: seapony on February 25, 2014, 16:31:27
Interesting....
I've met some one like Erin Pavlina......
Totally into demons and all that. Said they followed her around and tried to steal her energy.
The more I talked to her, the more I realized she needed that. Needed to have some thing
scary to make her feel strong and powerful around others. Like me, who's experiences have been
largely positive and good.
To each there own I guess !
But look out ! :evil:
That's about the same as I see it.
Quote from: Astralsuzy on February 24, 2014, 00:29:36
You do have a good point. I was lucky that I had a number of aps so I had some knowledge. I was able to separate what was sensible and the ridiculous things. If I knew nothing then that might have been different. I could have fallen for it. I was very lucky.
You are indeed very lucky. I hadn't had sufficient experience so I did fall for it. And it stopped me from attempting AP for a few years. I wonder how much would have been different, had I only found this site on top of the google search. I did find it eventually couple of months ago but it was because of my inner voice telling me I really should try to learn to AP and to overcome my fear by doing more research. And this forum was the key factor in it. but then, I can imagine many people stopped trying AP for the rest of their lives, not only couple of years, because of these fear-mongers.
So... this leads me to an question: Don't you guys have some spare money you would like to invest on behalf of this site so it would always pop up at the first place on google? :-D Please note: I don't. :-D :-D :-D
Here's the thing. Major religion has AP locked up tight.
People are warned that not only are their lives at stake but so are their souls and that's eternal they like to say. It's so dangerous, that even entertaining the idea, is enough to invite trouble for yourself and more than that, innocent people. We can't even try to ration our way out of it.
But many of us only find ourselves here because of spontaneous events. I knew what AP was in a very broad and ignorant sense but I was always smart enough not to dwell on things like that because we get tempted (a belief trap) but rest assured I was told, I did do something to bring this on myself.
There is a saying that is sometimes credited to the Catholic Church (see how I used capital letters out of guilt :-D) but I have doubts; "Give us the first seven years of a child and they will be ours forever." Creepy, right?
It doesn't mean that in a literal sense but it is true never the less. It sucks to admit this but we really do stay pist off at mommy and daddy our whole lives for not buying us ice cream that one time. Obviously, many people grow up to drop their major religions or convert to another but whatever concepts or ideas that were implanted into them at that early age will be with them forever.
For all of our advancement, we are still very naive thinkers. We believe in opposing ideas simultaneously (double think) knowing that one is false yet we make decisions based out of the fear that arises from it each day..-I need this to be happy, surgery to be pretty. All we need is food and water for our bodies and clothes suitable to our environment and we stand a chance to live but we need each other to be happy. Primitive thinking now compels me to say that I am not a hippy.
Educational institutes are dumbing down their curriculum to churn out more passing grades. This means that in a very real sense, knowledge is being withheld in order to meet standards. Religions are destroying spirituality instead of nurturing it every time they bend to political pressures of the day. Now don't get me wrong, if something is right then it is right but why did the eternal word of God suddenly change? Governments are passing more and more and more laws that take something away our freedoms instead of protecting them.
It's all so very backwards. :? :? :?
I'm sorry, what were you saying? :-D
hah, the last post reminds me of that famous quote by M. Ellner (more or less summarising it):
(http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/just-look-at-us-everything-is-backwards-everything-is-upside-down-doctors-destroy-health-lawyers-destroy-justice-universities-destroy-knowledge-governments-destroy-freedom-the-major-medi.jpg?w=472)
Truth spoken. 8-)
Hey Astralzombie and Volgerie....
You nailed it ! I know a guy who is always sort of mooching around and complaining about stuff...
And when you try to cheer him up he says nothing can be done for him because "Once a Catholic always a Catholic "...
I know a woman who is an alcoholic... But she will INSIST that beer is NOT alcohol !
I read once where there is a law on the books in California that says suicide is a capital offence ! :? Not sure
how they would work that one....
Did you know that Alaska is one of the few ,if not the only, state where one is allowed to choose medical treatment...OR NOT ?
I know someone who went to the emergency room in Washington once because he was feeling bad after eating at a KFC... (duh...)
They wanted to emit him and when he refused that they called the cops, who threatened to tazer him if he didn't sign himself in !
I mentioned the Erin Pavlina stuff to my husband, and he says he figures sites like that are government set up and run, just to put
fear into us to keep us from exploring and learning and knowing our true selves.
I've read blogs and such that were of an 'alternative' nature as it were...and some of the comments were just nasty...
And I have to wonder...if people really hate stuff like that so much...why are they reading it ? Why comment ?
Are they being paid to do so, or are they just nasty at heart ? Its so sad...
How did we get this way ?
No offense, but for a bunch of people that don't believe in this nonsense you sure are giving it a lot of energy and advertising time. How many times did someone say to go to her website?
:wink:
Quote from: CFTraveler on February 26, 2014, 15:09:27
No offense, but for a bunch of people that don't believe in this nonsense you sure are giving it a lot of energy and advertising time. How many times did someone say to go to her website?
:wink:
it's nice to get all worked up once in a while :-D
similar topic regarding fear-mongery: I made the mistake recently to read into David Icke's forum, oh my, I can tell you .. don't do it
for example, just today I read some of them make a conspiracy even out of NDEs, one says that we shouldn't follow the light as we are being all 'conditioned' now by these accounts to do it and who knows, we are all tricked by the dark side ... and so on ....
No, I shouldn't go there and read this, after all these people seem actually even more scary to me than the ones they make conspiracies about (reptilians and all that) :wink:
Fear not my fellow APers. Last night on Coast to Coast AM Dr. Michio Kaku (speaking on advances n Neuroscience) said that one day we will have that "Magic Pill" that we can just take that instantly allows us to travel the many universes. He says they have located the area of the brain responsible for OBEs and NDEs.
Here's the show Header:
"In the first half, Dr. Michio Kaku discussed the astonishing scientific research on the mind being done in top laboratories, based on the latest advancements in neuroscience and physics. Our mind is the most complex object, perhaps in the known universe, and now some of its mysteries are being revealed as we are able to peer directly into the thinking brain, he marveled."
Why is it that whenever I hear news like this I get a shiver up my spine, lol? But not in a good sense. :roll:
Quote from: Lionheart on February 26, 2014, 18:31:06
Fear not my fellow APers. Last night on Coast to Coast AM Dr. Michio Kaku (speaking on advances n Neuroscience) said that one day we will have that "Magic Pill" that we can just take that instantly allows us to travel the many universes. He says they have located the area of the brain responsible for OBEs and NDEs.
Here's the show Header:
"In the first half, Dr. Michio Kaku discussed the astonishing scientific research on the mind being done in top laboratories, based on the latest advancements in neuroscience and physics. Our mind is the most complex object, perhaps in the known universe, and now some of its mysteries are being revealed as we are able to peer directly into the thinking brain, he marveled."
Why is it that whenever I hear news like this I get a shiver up my spine, lol? But not in a good sense. :roll:
I have no problem with science figuring out how these experiences are physically happening. It doesn't take anything away from it. There has to be a mechanism that allows us to have these experiences and understanding the mechanism does not exclude a higher purpose.
The God pill coming up. :-o
Quote from: BranStark on February 26, 2014, 06:07:31
You are indeed very lucky. I hadn't had sufficient experience so I did fall for it. And it stopped me from attempting AP for a few years. I wonder how much would have been different, had I only found this site on top of the google search. I did find it eventually couple of months ago but it was because of my inner voice telling me I really should try to learn to AP and to overcome my fear by doing more research. And this forum was the key factor in it. but then, I can imagine many people stopped trying AP for the rest of their lives, not only couple of years, because of these fear-mongers.
You made me realise how lucky I am that I had lots of ap experiences. I would not like to be put off aping. Reading your thread reminded me some years ago I belonged to a group called Beezlebuub's teachings or something like that. I did not like the name but I went. I am glad I went because I had a lot of fun. There were other people to talk about ap and we had lunch together. The people were nice and friendly. I was doing a course, so I bought a book from them. Some parts of the book was evil. We were taught to imagine that we had a rope around our neck so we would be hung or something like that. It was supposed to make us go up another level or dimension. It was a long time ago that I read it so my mind is a bit rusty. The book also talked about demons. I could not understand how anyone could believe in this. I did not go back again. I wanted to throw the book into the bin. My children burnt the book.
Quote from: Astralzombie on February 26, 2014, 18:49:02
I have no problem with science figuring out how these experiences are physically happening. It doesn't take anything away from it. There has to be a mechanism that allows us to have these experiences and understanding the mechanism does not exclude a higher purpose.
The God pill coming up. :-o
It's strange how they know so much and so little at the same time! :roll:
According to Michio here, they are trying to create a CD rom of your personality and traits so one day consciousness can survive outside of the body.
http://screen.yahoo.com/michio-kaku-050000181.html
Quote from: Lionheart on February 27, 2014, 20:30:43
It's strange how they know so much and so little at the same time! :roll:
According to Michio here, they are trying to create a CD rom of your personality and traits so one day consciousness can survive outside of the body.
http://screen.yahoo.com/michio-kaku-050000181.html
There is a film coming out kind of like what you're talking about, called Transcendence. It has Johnny Depp in it, Just thought I would share ;)
Looke (:
Quote from: Lionheart on February 27, 2014, 20:30:43It's strange how they know so much and so little at the same time! :roll: According to Michio here, they are trying to create a CD rom of your personality and traits so one day consciousness can survive outside of the body.
So he's also promoting the materialist-transhumanist agenda. The Kurtzweil of physics, so to speak. I never liked this guy, mainstream media seem to let him go everywhere spreading his pseudo-science on their channels. He is also into alien fear-mongering a lot.
Here's a propaganda movie on transhumanism where they also talk about this "CD"... (... and be warned ... it is a horror movie for the awake people indeed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1-YFbAifA
Fools.
:|
Thank You for the link Volgerle! :-)
I can see what's happening here. They are trying to imitate earlier civilizations. Earlier civilizations used the power of a collective consciousness over materialism to create a society. Today we have the materialism, now we are trying to use it to create a collective consciousness, via machinery. But we are doing it all wrong.
We don't need to "create" something we already have. All we need to do is to learn to use/harness it towards positive means. :wink:
I'd like you say something about Erin Pavlina.
My bf died 4 months ago from a car accident. We were hit by an 18 wheeler. Since December I've been doing lots of research on AP to get back to him. I've just started to have some success within the last few weeks.
Erin Pavlina site was the first one I found when doing research.
Her site was so organized with lots of articles about her experiences. It really gave me a good place to start.
I read about the demons but that didn't phase me. I was way too desperate to get to my boyfriend to even care. I was just thinking that that demon will definitely have something coming for it if it tries to mess with me :-D
I bought her book on Kindle. She suggested in the book to go on blog sites and read other people's experiences.
At first I thought her book was all I really needed. I mean how hard can AP be right? :| I needed more information about techniques so I did some more research. Best thing I could have done.
Now I see that this demon stuff is very subjective. She should definitely offer a disclaimer that these are her experiences and someone else's experience might be different. That stuff would really scare people out of it, even though she offers a solution with the white light sword method.
Her website really gave me lots of information and I used it to do my own digging. I wouldn't book a reading with her or anything I thank her for that.
Thanks!
Yohan
That just goes to show you that as long as you retain an open mind, you can find good information anywhere you go! :)
Good point, and even better example, Yohan!
To Yohan , welcome to the forum and sory about your b.f. If you want info on a.p. there is a lot out there, 3 books by Robert Monroe , more books from D. Sutphen , W. Bulhman , and many more . I will post a few links , but there are a lot more , I have a few more in the links sec. of the s.f. forum , but you need to be a member to see that part of the forum. There are a lot of self hypnosis astral projection videos on you tube .
http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/
http://www.astraldynamics.com
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/
http://obe4u.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=astral+projection+self+hypnosis+
Thanks for these Desert Rat!
Yohan