Ever met someone in the astral who committed suicide?

[Eyyoshi]

Committed suicide when they were still living and you met them on the astral, to elaborate. Did they regret it? I heard they go to a limbo state or something.

I thinking about suicide myself but that's another subject.

[Tiny]

Dear Eyyoshi,

I have read on multiple occasions that The System punishes suicides severely.

Take for example Astral City by André Luiz (a spirit's story channeled thru Francisco Cândido Xavier).

He was a medical doctor who died in the hospital, picked up after 8 years in the lower astral and becoming citizen of the astral system, emediatly classified suicide for having failed to heal his body (he had cancer among other things).

I'd say - it all depends where you go. If one wants to join these whacky astral governances then he/she should be ready for big suprises. Atleast don't expect to see anything better than you have here.



(Just to complete the picture of the book a little more - in the course of it the spirit basically describes how the astral government of the astral  colony/city (Christian based) where he was stationed would manage people's future incarnations along with everything else there is based on merit (Karma) and the notion of advancement through community service. Everyone there works to gain merit coins and get a better astral job and government positions are highly anticipated. It's much like here on Earth except people there highly regard the government.)


kind regards,

Paul

[zareste]

Haven't talked to anyone directly, but I talked to someone whose mom had killed herself previously. A bunch of spirits were ticked and forced her to reincarnate. This is consistent with all the other stories I've read.

It's like Tiny describes. The problem isn't suicide itself, but the organized predators who might come after you for disobeying their system

[Xanth]

I've always had held the strong belief that "It's your life, do what you want with it".
However, what that doesn't say is what will happen to you "per your belief system".

The problem with suicide is the energy/emotion that surrounds it.

Someone who has a more religious belief system is going to, most likely, be trapped in some kind of emotional/thought fueled loop upon dying.

However, if it was someone like myself, who has a fair understanding of what to expect upon death... then that might not be the case.

There are people there, in Focus 23 - 26 (as per the Monroe model) who are, quite literally, trapped in their own mind, creating an ever increasing loop of depravity and hopelessness for themselves.  They'll stay like that until either they realize that what they're experiencing is being fueled by themselves OR someone comes and rescues them.

That's my opinion, at least. 

[Asi911]

Committed suicide when they were still living and you met them on the astral, to elaborate. Did they regret it? I heard they go to a limbo state or something.

I thinking about suicide myself but that's another subject.

I never met anyone in the astral who committed suicide but I know 2 people who did commit suicide.
They left their family, friends and people around them traumatized and scarred for life.
I think suicide is the most selfish thing anyone can ever do and I'm pretty sure you don't get a reward for that.

I'm sorry to hear that you're thinking about committing suicide. I hope these thoughts will pass and you will get over what is troubling you soon.

My advice to you is to study the subject of human EGO. Understanding the actual mechanism of the EGO has really help me overcome repeating depressions i had all my life.
You can start by looking for lectures by a guy called Eckhart Tolle. You can find lots of them on Youtube.

Cheers!

[RisingSon]

Committed suicide when they were still living and you met them on the astral, to elaborate. Did they regret it? I heard they go to a limbo state or something.

I thinking about suicide myself but that's another subject.

Ditto for me, never met anybody on the other side who killed themselves, but here in this reality I'm close to two people who have a history with trying.  Both had multiple incidents, but never quite could finish the deed.  I'm not sure why they couldn't, but at the last moment they both said that it felt "wrong".  I think the idea, "don't go where you're not wanted" applies well.  We each have a time to die, so let that be, you'll get there.  I believe the statement that there are fates worse than death, and suicide likely is one of them.

[personalreality]

Yoshi,

You should read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus"

[Eyyoshi]

I read the Sisyphus story. Is it supposed to be about dealing with something hopeless with a smile? Doesn't mention suicide, if it does then I'm dumb.

@zareste

I heard that you won't be judged. But I have heard that spirits or higher beings recommend you reincarnate. The spirits you describe sound like some sort of astral police force. Don't see why anyone would want to reincarnate. Earth is a terrible place in my opinion.

@Xanth

Have you heard of a "Limbo zone/plane"? I read somewhere that when you die by suicide you end up in one or two zones. These zones are in the middle of a heaven and hell. Also I believe in an afterlife but I don't really have a religion. Where would I end up?

[Xanth]

@Xanth

Have you heard of a "Limbo zone/plane"? I read somewhere that when you die by suicide you end up in one or two zones. These zones are in the middle of a heaven and hell. Also I believe in an afterlife but I don't really have a religion. Where would I end up?

In the Monroe Model you're talking about Focus 23... these are part of the "Belief Territories".

Now, you don't end up there *BECAUSE* you committed suicide.  You don't end up anywhere just because you did something.
You end up *stuck* in Focus 23 due to getting caught in a continuously degrading cycle of never ending thoughts/emotions fueling your surrounding environment.
Generally, people who have little to no idea of an afterlife.  They die expecting to end their pain, yet they find themselves very much still "alive"... this makes them very confused.

I'll see if I can find a post by Frank which describes it better...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/i_want_to_die-t1493.0.html;msg9263#msg9263
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/i_want_to_die-t1493.0.html;msg9436#msg9436

And this is a good post to read if you're contemplating suicide...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/suicide-t19556.0.html;msg168384#msg168384

Please though...
If you're having thoughts of this manner, I *HIGHLY* suggest you go talk to someone for some help.  Please.  :/

I heard that you won't be judged. But I have heard that spirits or higher beings recommend you reincarnate. The spirits you describe sound like some sort of astral police force. Don't see why anyone would want to reincarnate. Earth is a terrible place in my opinion.

There's no one who will judge you, but yourself.  And I'm sure that you're probably your most harshest critic.

[cpt. picard]

Kinda off topic, but would you say "ghosts" reside in Focus 23 or the Ethereal plane, is the difference that focus 23 is created by the host? Cause for some reason on wikipedia article about monroe focus levels it says Focus 23 is an "external" state with furthers this confusion. Anyways, if you committed suicide I would say most likely you'll either end up in either the Ethereal plane, or some lower F3 area (F23, 24, 25).

[Eyyoshi]

So your emotions only get magnified, resulting in a depressing loop which also magnifies if you suicide. How can somebody save people like this? What happens if they're too deep in the loop they just lose their minds. Just a interesting concern.

I don't know what a doctor or counselor would do or be of any help, in my opinion. If I could finally project I know the depression may go away or if anything alleviate immensely. But I just can't project and I doubt I will any fricken time soon. I also doubt a counselor will assist me in astral projection. Most think it's all fake and send will me to a psychiatrist or something.

Wish I could meet my guide, or somebody meet my guide for me, if that's even possible. Hell I wish I could meet someone where I live that astral projects frequently. Something, god I need so much help...

[cpt. picard]

To be honest, I've always found instructing and being instructed in astral projecting is very difficult. I mastered councious exit after about 6 months of training for 1 or 2 hours a day. I do not believe there is shortcuts, and if you want it bad enough you must practice, practice, practice. Im not sure learning to astral project will end your depression either, there is clearly other issues which wont be solved by learning to project. The worst depression of my life occurred years after learning to project so I dont see how you think that will solve anything. From my experience councilling is a waste of time and I also went on anti-depressants for a month which is an even bigger (and more dangerous) waste of time. In fact, after that month of going on the pills, I read the side effects on the internet which the doctors conveniently didnt mention. I was somewhat enraged and threw the pills into the garbage and eventually dealt with and overcame my depression. I believe alot of people overcome depression with emotional maturity as they grow older but some people do have serious problems with it. Nothing in life comes easy and if you commit suicide you wont even have the chance to work hard to achieve goals in your life, such as projection for example. It's all a matter of controlling your emotions instead of letting them control you, and though it sounds difficult, I've found life much easier this way.

[Eyyoshi]

I know that projecting won't fix my problems, but it will make me happier. I would then have a place to go and relax/have fun for a change. Considering how boring and dull it is around here. It won't fix issues like finding a job, but it's beneficial. 

(Off topic)
I have theta, high theta to delta, and a delta brain wave audio files on my MP3 which do I listen to. On astralvoyage.com Anne talks about mimic'ing "REM" sleep. Which confused me because REM occurs when your all ready asleep. As we all know your eyes move rapidly, how can we mimic that without it interfering with being focused and etc.

(Thread may go off topic from here on anyway)

[cpt. picard]

why are you so bored, I've lived in the middle of nowhere for most of my life, and I just fish, spend time outside, canoe etc and at this point I actually prefer a more rural lifestyle over the city.

[Xanth]

Eyyoshi,

All I'm comfortable suggesting to you is for you to speak with someone close to you.
Astral Projection will not help... you'll simply find yourself locked in this same struggle there.

[Tiny]

Dear Eyyoshi,

it's ok to want to escape this sick world, don't let anyone supress your feelings.
Noone who is really by himself desires to stay in this fudged up place.
It's perfectly understandable for one to desire to atleast not feel trapped here by aquiring the ability to atleast temporarily be able to leave by one's own will.

I've had very severe depression attacks in the last few months for literally no apparent reason. They would come on like waves and then be gone like the wind. This has made it much harder for me to focus on my work. I've also seen many more social problems in people I know.
Overall I have been observing a major global energetic shift to the worse since the end of 2008, so the spiritually sensitives are having a much harder time, the numb and ignorant ones however, do not.

"Go get some help, talk to someone who will act like a social anti-depressive."

What kind of help is that? That is the one of the worst things someone can recommend to another and many people simply parrot this "advise" over and over.


It is important also to have your body cleared of toxins atleast once a year.
Accumulated metals can cause debilitating problems.


Here are some symptoms one site lists for mercury-salt poisoning:

Depression, mood swings, irritability, fear, extreme anger, insomnia, ADHD and loss of energy...

Aluminum is another big problem and it's everywhere, even in the air "sprayed" by airplanes.


I recommend using Jim Humble's "Miracle Mineral Solution" to take care of that problem. It's really cheap and lasts long.




kind regards,

Paul

[blis]

I've had suicide on my mind for most of my adult life. Always been too scared of the consequences to do it though. And this life's pretty short compared to eternity. I reckon all my anguish/pain must be a good thing karma wise. Things getting balanced out. Cant cheat the system man. I just try to be glad that all my suffering is internal and that I've always been kept safe from harm. And you never know, you might win the lottery tomorrow. Imagine killing yourself and landing in limbo for god knows how long just to find out you would of won the lottery if you'd just stuck around another day.

Anyone ever know of an astral traveler that killed themself?

[Broken Yogi]

Yoshi,

I understand that life can be really difficult, and this planet can be a total grump, but you have to consider the fact that you were born here for a reason, and it wasn't to kill yourself. You have to spend some time really thinking hard about why you are here, commune with your deeper self and come up with at least a direction, because there's no doubt that you did indeed decide to be born for a reason, and you will deeply regret it if you don't carry that out. Part of the reason for your birth was certainly to encounter the kinds of problems you are presently dealing with, and actually deal with them, get through them, and achieve some kind of balance in your life. If you are considering suicide you have to realize that this is something you've probably done in other lifetimes already, and look where it got you? Right back here. So if you want to get past this pattern you have to get past it without killing yourself. If you do kill yourself, you'll have to be reborn into a very similar lifetime that you will have to face up to and overcome, just as you do now. So it's better to deal with it now rather than later. I'm not sure what you problems really are, but I can assure you that these are a part of the very reason you were born - to overcome this challenge. And once that is overcome, I'm sure there's other reasons for your lifetime here that will make it very much worthwhile to keep living. People aren't born here without a reason and a purpose, they just have to spend some serious time finding out what it is. I wish you great luck. Don't expect it to be easy, but don't give up either.

[Timandra]

Yoshi,

I understand that life can be really difficult, and this planet can be a total grump, but you have to consider the fact that you were born here for a reason, and it wasn't to kill yourself. You have to spend some time really thinking hard about why you are here, commune with your deeper self and come up with at least a direction, because there's no doubt that you did indeed decide to be born for a reason, and you will deeply regret it if you don't carry that out. Part of the reason for your birth was certainly to encounter the kinds of problems you are presently dealing with, and actually deal with them, get through them, and achieve some kind of balance in your life. If you are considering suicide you have to realize that this is something you've probably done in other lifetimes already, and look where it got you? Right back here. So if you want to get past this pattern you have to get past it without killing yourself. If you do kill yourself, you'll have to be reborn into a very similar lifetime that you will have to face up to and overcome, just as you do now. So it's better to deal with it now rather than later. I'm not sure what you problems really are, but I can assure you that these are a part of the very reason you were born - to overcome this challenge. And once that is overcome, I'm sure there's other reasons for your lifetime here that will make it very much worthwhile to keep living. People aren't born here without a reason and a purpose, they just have to spend some serious time finding out what it is. I wish you great luck. Don't expect it to be easy, but don't give up either.

Very well said Broken Yogi 

[personalreality]

Yoshi,

I didn't mean the story of Sisyphus.  There is a book by a philosopher (who's name escapes me) called "The Myth of Sisyphus".  It's a philosophical treatise considering the implications of suicide.  Not in a depressed way or anything, it just takes a serious look at the consideration of living versus not living.

[Greytraveller]

Hi Eyyoshi
What I am going to say applies only for me and I do Not pretend to speak for anyone else.
However, as far as I am concerned OBE/astral projection Could well be the "Something special" that you need in order to break free from your chronic depression. Of course you may find that OBEs are not all that they are made out to be --- meaning you might be disappointed that being out of body is not all that exciting.
The important point which I wish to emphasize to you is this --- you must have one or (better yet) several OBEs and decide for yourself.
Frankly I think that you WILL find something very special in the OBE. Of course the OBE will Not solve all worldly problems yet the OBE WILL give you a completely new and refreshing point of view about life. One positive result of OBEs that many people have discovered is the knowledge that life is MUCH much more than just a physical existence. And, consequently, those worldly problems, however important they might seem at any given time, appear less dire (and depressing) when viewed from a larger (super-physical) point of view.
So I encourage you to "set your sights" on achieving an OBE. IMO focusing on OBEs is not living in a fantasy world. OBEs ARE an objective reality. SO give it a try because the out of body experience very likely JUST MIGHT BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED.

Good luck and Regards 
Grey

[Fresco]

I also read people who have killed themselves woke up in the astral world only to find out their problems and reasons why they killed themselves didnt go away, those issues were still very present. They had only been transferred from the physical world into the astral world.

All they did by killing themselves was change the "channel", it didnt solve their problems at all

[Xanth]

I also read people who have killed themselves woke up in the astral world only to find out their problems and reasons why they killed themselves didnt go away, those issues were still very present. They had only been transferred from the physical world into the astral world.

All they did by killing themselves was change the "channel", it didnt solve their problems at all

There's a reason for that.
That reason is that when you shed your physical shell (aka: die) *YOU* don't change.  What *YOU* are right now is exactly as you will be after you die.  Your "conscious awareness" doesn't change between here and there.

So any issues you have in the physical will still be there after you die...

People think that suicide is "a way out"... when in essence all you're doing is locking yourself into the Astral.
See, when we get into an emotion/thought loop when we project, we at least will, at some point, get a signal to return back to the physical... this breaks the loop.

When we're actually dead, we don't have that luxury.  So when you get into a loop such as that, then you need to break it on your own or with some help.  Otherwise, you'll be stuck there for a very long time.

[Fresco]

@ Xanth

I have yet to project myself, but what you wrote sounds about right.
The only exception I have for suicide is if someone is terminally ill or very old and they're about to die anyways.  Thats doing it for the right reasons IMO.  But not if you're young and because of depression or other mental issues

[mon9999]

Here is a theory of a psychic about suicide:

http://www.crystalinks.com/suicide609.html

Is the old tale about suicide victims having to come back with the same learning lessons true? No ... and I don't know who made that up. It must go with the theory that we all have contracts to come into the lives we wind up ....etc. Also ridiculous. It's all random.