Hi,
I've been trying some techniques from the book called "the phase" on obe4u.com. Over the last two to three nights (have to take a rest until next week because the books author says that you should only try to lucid dream / project two to three days a week).
These are my experiences:
I remember one night (could've been minimum a day to two days ago) that once I did a technique I felt a little movement of electricity going across my arms only and it felt like my veins were moving / shaking.
Also in the book they say that the best way to be successful with indirect techniques (which is an obe after waking up) is to wake up without moving your body. I haven't tried this yet because I usually move my body upon awakening and have to wait until next week to practice this.
Is it okay to try the techniques everyday or should I just stick to what they say in the book and try it two to three days a week?
Also the author of the book says while being a novice to only project two to three days a week.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 12, 2014, 00:34:32
Hi,
I've been trying some techniques from the book called "the phase" on obe4u.com. Over the last two to three nights (have to take a rest until next week because the books author says that you should only try to lucid dream / project two to three days a week).
These are my experiences:
I remember one night (could've been minimum a day to two days ago) that once I did a technique I felt a little movement of electricity going across my arms only and it felt like my veins were moving / shaking.
Also in the book they say that the best way to be successful with indirect techniques (which is an obe after waking up) is to wake up without moving your body. I haven't tried this yet because I usually move my body upon awakening and have to wait until next week to practice this.
Is it okay to try the techniques everyday or should I just stick to what they say in the book and try it two to three days a week?
Also the author of the book says while being a novice to only project two to three days a week.
Thanks.
With all due respect to Michael Raduga... ignore his opinions about projection.
Just focus on the techniques he shares.
An example of his opinion is that you should only try to project 2 - 3 times per week <-- That's BS. Try as often as you're comfortable trying. :)
Quote from: Xanth on July 12, 2014, 00:43:20
With all due respect to Michael Raduga... ignore his opinions about projection.
Just focus on the techniques he shares.
An example of his opinion is that you should only try to project 2 - 3 times per week <-- That's BS. Try as often as you're comfortable trying. :)
Thanks I'll try to do it everyday and see how it is like / if it limits me.
Do you (or anyone else) have advice on waking without moving?
This is bascially a synopsis of his book in a three minute video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_MvWQ25M8Thanks.
I've done this in two ways. One- If you wake up during the night, hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes. Don't allow yourself to fall back asleep. Keep your mind relaxed -as free from thoughts as possible. In a few seconds to a minute, you will find yourself in a projection. Two -If you wake up (from a dream) hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes. State your intent that you will now reenter your dream and be conscious in it. Allow yourself to fall back asleep and you should reenter the dream but be conscious. Good luck! :)
His technique is good for me, and I have once gotten a little into the astral. He might have said not to try it everyday because interrupted sleep isn't too good, i think. I am trying it often.
Quote from: soarin12 on July 12, 2014, 03:29:28
I've done this in two ways. One- If you wake up during the night, hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes. Don't allow yourself to fall back asleep. Keep your mind relaxed -as free from thoughts as possible. In a few seconds to a minute, you will find yourself in a projection. Two -If you wake up (from a dream) hold perfectly still (but relaxed) and don't open your eyes. State your intent that you will now reenter your dream and be conscious in it. Allow yourself to fall back asleep and you should reenter the dream but be conscious. Good luck! :)
I tried doing it earlier this morning (only after two hours of sleep), and I remember getting / feeling a pain in my spine / back. Then I went back to sleep.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 12, 2014, 19:51:52
I tried doing it earlier this morning (only after two hours of sleep), and I remember getting / feeling a pain in my spine / back. Then I went back to sleep.
Hmm... Pain and projection don't usually mix too well! lol Keep at it! You'll get it eventually. Make sure your intent is strong. That truly is key to this whole practice. Technique is helpful to a point, but strong desire and intent are by far the main ingredients!
His methods are the only methods that have ever actually worked for me. Although the first few times I had done it unknowingly, it just sort of happened as I woke up. I've tried so many different books and methods and honestly, his is the only proven one for me. The others had little glimmers of knowledge but none worked quite like his.
But thorough research of his material will tell you that the reason he advises a break between attempts is to prevent mental exhaustion and and lack of confidence from failed attempts. I personally think he's spot on in this regard having suffered such blows myself. The problem is it's hard NOT to try this everyday. A day not used to phase feels like a day wasted to me. But ironically (and as stated in his book), all of my successful attempts have came during such breaks :|
I had some little success. I'm in about to be in my mid 20's and had a vivid dream like I felt like I was stuck in middle school (for years) and was at a snoop dogg concert.
Quote from: soarin12 on July 12, 2014, 20:42:41
Hmm... Pain and projection don't usually mix too well! lol Keep at it! You'll get it eventually. Make sure your intent is strong. That truly is key to this whole practice. Technique is helpful to a point, but strong desire and intent are by far the main ingredients!
I've only just realised how crucial this is. When I fall asleep in the middle of the night without any intent to project, I always forget to stay still upon awakening. Raduga stresses how important it is not to go to bed with an empty head. When I focus on projecting during awakenings throughout the night, that's when I start to see success.
I practice the technique every night and have no problems. I don't stay up for 30 or 40 minutes either. I'm awake for only 5-7 minutes and in that time I'm strongly focusing on affirmations/visualisations. I'd agree with that Xanth said. Try as much as you're comfortable with.
Quote from: seán7781 on July 16, 2014, 10:10:19
I've only just realised how crucial this is. When I fall asleep in the middle of the night without any intent to project, I always forget to stay still upon awakening. Raduga stresses how important it is not to go to bed with an empty head. When I focus on projecting during awakenings throughout the night, that's when I start to see success.
I practice the technique every night and have no problems. I don't stay up for 30 or 40 minutes either. I'm awake for only 5-7 minutes and in that time I'm strongly focusing on affirmations/visualisations. I'd agree with that Xanth said. Try as much as you're comfortable with.
Yes! Wise words... :)
I awoke this morning to a cell phone alarm (so I can try to practice the techniques more) and remember trying to stay still but I either went to sleep. Or was jolted into waking consciousness then struggled with sleep (going in between wake and asleep) for four hours.
Any tips?
Tip: Turn your cell alarm off. ;-)
Quote from: luffy28 on July 17, 2014, 02:18:52
I awoke this morning to a cell phone alarm (so I can try to practice the techniques more) and remember trying to stay still but I either went to sleep. Or was jolted into waking consciousness then struggled with sleep (going in between wake and asleep) for four hours.
Any tips?
When I use an alarm the duration it has to be very short (1-2 seconds max) and the noise volume very low. I had to experiment to find out just the right balance - a signal that didn't wake me up too abruptly but just about strong enough to spark awareness and help me realise where I am and what to do. It always worked best for me when I was able to wake up as comfortably and as smoothly as possible.
Quote from: seán7781 on July 17, 2014, 14:38:42
When I use an alarm the duration it has to be very short (1-2 seconds max) and the noise volume very low. I had to experiment to find out just the right balance - a signal that didn't wake me up too abruptly but just about strong enough to spark awareness and help me realise where I am and what to do. It always worked best for me when I was able to wake up as comfortably and as smoothly as possible.
I don't have a smart phone so the options are limited. Other than that I'll just have to shut it off.
I had two amazing projections back to back last month and have had no success since, no matter how hard I've tried. I've discovered that the hardest part to projection is keeping my intention and desire strong. Because I've discovered that that is indeed the most important determining factor of whether you will project or not. Problem is, when you've been trying 7 days a week with no real success, after 3-4 weeks you realize your intent and desire have waned significantly and you're just sort of droning through the motions. So I have to reset myself and read some things on projection experiences or listen to tom campbell, buhlman, monroe, read franks posts, etc. This always seems to work well in getting my desire and intention back to full power again.
I was successful in waking up without moving, but went back to sleep because I was so tired mentally. Also I recalled another dream today (too inappropriate for this forum) so that's at least another side effect.
Again I was successful without moving, and I felt a little electric shock / some vibrations, but couldn't stay awake. Also the next time I awoke was when I felt that the technique was working I couldn't stay focused / couldn't focus on my indirect technique / visualization.
It worked like this I awoke at 7:30am this morning then I awoke later and tried separating. Didn't work so I awoke the next time and I missed the part about not moving, but cycled through indirect techniques. One of them worked and then I felt the electric shock / little vibrations and couldn't focus on the technique / visualization. I don't know if I'm supposed to feel movement or just go more with the visualization. Next time I'm going to try to go through feeling the actual movement of the indirect technique then just doing the visualization.
The technique that I was stuck on / couldn't focus on was a technique I made up called "flying like Goku". It's where he's moving like he's attacking the bold character in this clip. The part where Goku is in red was the way I was visualizing / trying to imagine to move. It felt like it was working, because my body felt like it had little electric shocks / shaking / vibrations, but when I tried to further it I quit or was tired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmFsLzO094
Also I had a dream that felt like I was watching a movie either in between these two or before or after it. I felt the dream was so irrelevant that I couldn't / won't write it down. It felt like watching a live TV report or watching a live concert on TV.
Could someone give me some advice on how to stay awake long enough to stay with the indirect techniques?
Check the number of hrs. of sleep you're getting per night. If you're getting too little or too much, staying awake to project becomes way harder than it needs to be.
If that's not your problem, then you just need more willpower. I actually often find it easier to get up, use the bathroom, and then project. I find that that few minutes I'm up and awake helps me to strengthen my resolve to project (and not fall back asleep!) Often with indirect techniques, although they can work very quickly, it's so easy to just cave in to going right back to sleep. Raduga is pretty negative about direct techniques -just don't let his views poison you against them. If you get up for a few minutes, it might make things harder or it might make things easier for you. Everyone is different. It may help keep you awake for the amount of time needed to project. (which isn't long -twenty minutes tops)
When you're visualizing, make sure you're not turning back to focus on your physical body. That will kill it. You have to keep a non-physical focus. :)
Quote from: soarin12 on July 21, 2014, 01:02:10
Check the number of hrs. of sleep you're getting per night. If you're getting too little or too much, staying awake to project becomes way harder than it needs to be.
If that's not your problem, then you just need more willpower. I actually often find it easier to get up, use the bathroom, and then project. I find that that few minutes I'm up and awake helps me to strengthen my resolve to project (and not fall back asleep!) Often with indirect techniques, although they can work very quickly, it's so easy to just cave in to going right back to sleep. Raduga is pretty negative about direct techniques -just don't let his views poison you against them. If you get up for a few minutes, it might make things harder or it might make things easier for you. Everyone is different. It may help keep you awake for the amount of time needed to project. (which isn't long -twenty minutes tops)
When you're visualizing, make sure you're not turning back to focus on your physical body. That will kill it. You have to keep a non-physical focus. :)
I think it's the willpower. Also I'll try to focus on the movement outside of my body.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 21, 2014, 03:15:57
I think it's the willpower. Also I'll try to focus on the movement outside of my body.
Thanks.
All the electricity feelings you're experiencing is fantastic. You're very close. This is exactly what I'm going through. Every time you wake up try to project no matter what. Even if you have moved. Be mechanical and don't even think about it.
The other night at about 2AM I was awake for a whole 5 minutes before remember to attempt a projection, and I was very surprised when I heard this whooshing sound. I had even moved slightly a couple minutes earlier. So it can happen when you least expect it. With every awakening focus as much as you can on instantly attempting a projection after waking up. It becomes stronger as the night goes on.
Quote from: seán7781 on July 21, 2014, 10:31:07
All the electricity feelings you're experiencing is fantastic. You're very close. This is exactly what I'm going through. Every time you wake up try to project no matter what. Even if you have moved. Be mechanical and don't even think about it.
The other night at about 2AM I was awake for a whole 5 minutes before remember to attempt a projection, and I was very surprised when I heard this whooshing sound. I had even moved slightly a couple minutes earlier. So it can happen when you least expect it. With every awakening focus as much as you can on instantly attempting a projection after waking up. It becomes stronger as the night goes on.
Thanks, but last night I didn't awake probably because I set my awake alarm 3 hours after I went to sleep. I'll have to try to go to sleep a little bit earlier. It's probably like soarin said that it depends on how many hours I go to sleep.
I awoke this morning at 8 something in the morning and it didn't work. I've been trying it everyday since the first post and am deciding to take two weeks off and after that I'm only going to try it three days a week because I do feel that it has tired me out. Also I just wanted to mostly get lucid dreams not obe's until I had more experience. I remember posting on this forum that when I was doing it three times a week I was having lucid dreams. Thanks for all the support, when the two weeks are over I'll post in this topic again and restart the conversation or we can even continue this conversation until then.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 22, 2014, 20:24:18
I awoke this morning at 8 something in the morning and it didn't work. I've been trying it everyday since the first post and am deciding to take two weeks off and after that I'm only going to try it three days a week because I do feel that it has tired me out. Also I just wanted to mostly get lucid dreams not obe's until I had more experience. I remember posting on this forum that when I was doing it three times a week I was having lucid dreams. Thanks for all the support, when the two weeks are over I'll post in this topic again and restart the conversation or we can even continue this conversation until then.
An OBE is a lucid dream where you're in a familiar place. Which are both projections. No difference.
Sometimes people have many experiences in a short time span... sometimes they don't.
Stop trying so hard and you might have more success. :)
Quote from: Xanth on July 22, 2014, 22:40:11
An OBE is a lucid dream where you're in a familiar place. Which are both projections. No difference.
Sometimes people have many experiences in a short time span... sometimes they don't.
Stop trying so hard and you might have more success. :)
Thanks, but then what's the big difference between an obe and a LD? I had some recall (not total) of a vivid dream today and I remember kissing a girl through a partially open door and the kiss (not also minding she was good looking) was like a video game emulator. I could feel her tongue, the saliva, her lips, etc...
Also when talking to the dead / current living people in LD's is it really communication with the dead or is that only in obe's?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 23, 2014, 00:36:44
Thanks, but then what's the big difference between an obe and a LD?
How most people use the terms... nothing.
QuoteI had some recall (not total) of a vivid dream today and I remember kissing a girl through a partially open door and the kiss (not also minding she was good looking) was like a video game emulator. I could feel her tongue, the saliva, her lips, etc...
Any experience you have is real. It doesn't matter where or when it occurs... it's something that happened. How "vivid" an experience is, is secondary to the fact you experienced it.
QuoteAlso when talking to the dead / current living people in LD's is it really communication with the dead or is that only in obe's?
Nobody can know.
Are you okay with the possibility that you'll never know?
Instead, ask yourself if what you gained from the experience with the communication was beneficial to you. That's the more important question.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 22, 2014, 20:24:18
I awoke this morning at 8 something in the morning and it didn't work. I've been trying it everyday since the first post and am deciding to take two weeks off and after that I'm only going to try it three days a week because I do feel that it has tired me out. Also I just wanted to mostly get lucid dreams not obe's until I had more experience. I remember posting on this forum that when I was doing it three times a week I was having lucid dreams. Thanks for all the support, when the two weeks are over I'll post in this topic again and restart the conversation or we can even continue this conversation until then.
How many times a night are you trying to project? If you're trying 3-5 times you have a higher chance of success than if you tried only once. But if you're using an alarm to wake you up I can see how that would tire you out.
Quote from: seán7781 on July 23, 2014, 12:21:46
How many times a night are you trying to project? If you're trying 3-5 times you have a higher chance of success than if you tried only once. But if you're using an alarm to wake you up I can see how that would tire you out.
I wasn't trying before I went to sleep or during the night, but upon awakening all the times I tried. I tried it upon awakening. Also most of the time I would only awaken once during the morning. I remember waking up twice in the morning, but that was only once or twice. For most of the days (or at least the first week) I would try setting various alarms on my cell phone to wake me up during the night at various times. When I resume I'm going to only set one or two alarms to wake me up so I can re-read the instructions, then trying upon my first awakening. Also it was very annoying waking up to the alarm no matter what volume it was.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on July 23, 2014, 17:10:21
Also it was very annoying waking up to the alarm no matter what volume it was.
Thanks.
In Raduga's book, he mentions how critical it is to get the best sleep possible for the first six hours. It's this that allows you to wake up with more awareness later in the night. You don't want to be disturbed by alarms during these first six hours. If you happen to wake up naturally during the night then still spend 3/4 minutes focusing on affirmations and visualisations, but it may work better for you to have your alarm going off only during the last 2-3 hours of your sleep.
Hi,
I set my alarm for 4am this morning (didn't realize it wasn't two weeks yet) and reviewed the techniques I was going to use then went back to sleep.
I woke up this morning two or three times. Within those two or three times I had a vivid / partial LD. In one of my dreams I met a celebrity. But the thing was that during the dream / recall it felt like I was half awake half asleep. I'm not going to try until next week because I made a mistake of not practicing for two weeks.
Thanks.
I've been reading a book called "A field guide to lucid dreaming". It's virtually a couple of new facts mixed with what a person (like me) who's been studying LDing for a year or a couple of years, has already known.
It says to not move when awakening (just like the phase book from obe4u), and to say an affirmation before sleep etc... To anticipate the dream recall / actual LDing etc... it's virtually a rip off of knowledge available on the internet.
I might try to do the techniques from the phase book earlier than I committed to only because of boredom. Should I?
Also can someone comment on the half awake half asleep post I put previous to this one?
Thanks.
If your excited to try again then go ahead IMO. Affirmations are VERY powerful. I usually don't project 2 nights in a row, but I did last night and the night before. I said my affirmations before bed both nights, and both mornings I projected. The second morning I didn't even try. It just happened because of the affirmation.
Don't worry about the half awake half asleep thing. It happens. Just keep practicing and your first fully lucid one will just happen out of the blue. Then after that, you'll recall the way that experience felt and you'll be able to much more easily bring yourself to full lucidity again.
Also, if you have another half awake half asleep one, if you're lucid enough to remember these instructions, interact with your environment- rub your hands together -touch a wall and feel it's texture -ask yourself who am I? Where am I? That should bring you around to full lucidity. You probably already knew that with all the reading you've been doing! Good luck! :)
Quote from: soarin12 on August 03, 2014, 02:19:58
If your excited to try again then go ahead IMO. Affirmations are VERY powerful. I usually don't project 2 nights in a row, but I did last night and the night before. I said my affirmations before bed both nights, and both mornings I projected. The second morning I didn't even try. It just happened because of the affirmation.
Don't worry about the half awake half asleep thing. It happens. Just keep practicing and your first fully lucid one will just happen out of the blue. Then after that, you'll recall the way that experience felt and you'll be able to much more easily bring yourself to full lucidity again.
Also, if you have another half awake half asleep one, if you're lucid enough to remember these instructions, interact with your environment- rub your hands together -touch a wall and feel it's texture -ask yourself who am I? Where am I? That should bring you around to full lucidity. You probably already knew that with all the reading you've been doing! Good luck! :)
Thanks,
This morning I had three to five lucid / vivid dreams but didn't remember / process them because I just laid in bed.
I'll also have to make up an affirmation and look up some exit techniques.
I'll post an update tomorrow.
Quote from: luffy28 on August 03, 2014, 19:31:17
Thanks,
This morning I had three to five lucid / vivid dreams but didn't remember / process them because I just laid in bed.
I'll also have to make up an affirmation and look up some exit techniques.
I'll post an update tomorrow.
Affirmations are VERY POWERFUL. I use them every day. No skipping, lol.
I found that you have to be quick to write all the important stuff down right away after awaking from a Dream. But your Dream recall will improve the more you exercise it, just like a muscle. Try not to skip a day though, because one day will become two days, then a week and so on. Stick to your guns. :wink:
Also, when writing down your Dreams. Do a section under your current Dream on "Dream triggers" that led you to become Lucid in them. This will be very helpful for you in the future. EscapeVelocity came up with this up recently and it is very good technique for continuing to become Lucid in your Dreams.
Here's the thread talking about it: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/how_to_avoid_a_ld_despite_9_easy_dream_triggers-t44860.0.html
Quote from: Lionheart on August 03, 2014, 19:52:11
Affirmations are VERY POWERFUL. I use them every day. No skipping, lol.
I found that you have to be quick to write all the important stuff down right away after awaking from a Dream. But your Dream recall will improve the more you exercise it, just like a muscle. Try not to skip a day though, because one day will become two days, then a week and so on. Stick to your guns. :wink:
Also, when writing down your Dreams. Do a section under your current Dream on "Dream triggers" that led you to become Lucid in them. This will be very helpful for you in the future. EscapeVelocity came up with this up recently and it is very good technique for continuing to become Lucid in your Dreams.
Here's the thread talking about it: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/how_to_avoid_a_ld_despite_9_easy_dream_triggers-t44860.0.html
Thanks,
I read it in a little hurry, but will have to re-read it maybe a couple of times to understand it. Also I've got a couple of affirmations I've been saying since last night and they're pretty good.
Again thanks.
I recorded a dream this morning and have been noticing for the past two days that I forget some of the dream. I usually write keywords, then go back to sleep. I'll go back to the keywords a couple of hours later and I notice that I forgot a part of the dream (a certain keyword).
Also I'm not going to do DT's until I at least get twenty to thirty dreams in my dream journal.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on August 05, 2014, 20:18:35
I recorded a dream this morning and have been noticing for the past two days that I forget some of the dream. I usually write keywords, then go back to sleep. I'll go back to the keywords a couple of hours later and I notice that I forgot a part of the dream (a certain keyword).
Also I'm not going to do DT's until I at least get twenty to thirty dreams in my dream journal.
Thanks.
Keywords or basic point form descriptions give us the "gist" of the Dream. But they seem to lack deeper revelations of the Dream. It takes a while of becoming Lucid in these Dreams to see what's really important to the plot or lesson shown.
DT's will help you get to those twenty or thirty Dreams for you journal much faster.
DT's are basically anything that's occurring in your Dream that consists of anything other than you sleeping peacefully in your bed.
But I find that certain people from my past, entities and destinations do occur quite regularly in mine.
Thanks LionHeart,
I've kept re-reading a certain part of the book and it says to do a reality check every time you do something (a certain action). Or set an alarm every hour or two to do a reality check. Instead I've been saying four affirmations I've made up every time I go into / out of a door. An example could be I'm about to exit a room I then say affirmation 1, then I go into another room affirmation 2, then I go out that same door affirmation 3, and the process keeps repeating its self.
Also I say all affirmations at the start of a song I'm listening to on YouTube, then in the middle of the song (a minute or two depending on the length of the song), then at the end of the song or when it's stopped.
You're right affirmations are very powerful because I remember repeating an affirmation to myself for two or three days in high school and actually believed it.
I'm also not ready to do an actual / physical reality check until I record more dreams so I can notice more dream signs / DT's.
Again thanks.
Hi,
I awoke multiple times this morning thanks to the affirmations, also I remember either last night or early this morning having vibrations. I also recalled at least one dream.
Thanks.
Found this website
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/how-to-remember-your-dreams.html
I couldn't go to sleep hardly last night because I was trying to visualize for the MILD technique and I figured out that visualization right before sleep keeps me up.
I'm going to try to visualize during the day and an hour or two before I go to sleep.
Thanks.
I finally had a partial LD / very vivid dream last night.
Also I remembered between three to five dreams, but only remembered to record two of them last night.
One of the dreams was where I was going to get into a fight with a bold European guy because he was xenophobic against me for my appearance.
Another dream was where I was in a restaurant in Atlanta,Ga and the police were interrogating / about to arrest an employee that didn't want to do his job.
I remembered the dreams doing the 90 minute technique I put in an earlier post.
2 tips and advices
1) do exactly as Raduga suggested. wake up after a few hours, drink a glass of water and back to sleep with an intention of projecting. then the second you wake up again, try to separate without opening your eyes or moving your body. the best and most easiest method for me is rolling side to side, which is confusing in Raduga's book since he doesn't verbalize it this way. just roll your body side to side as you're laying on your back and you should roll out with your astral body onto the floor. other methods that worked for me were... the rope technique, imagine there is a rope going to the ceiling, visualize extending your astral arms, and pull your astral body out by climbing the rope. and the third, but the most rarest working method, is to 'jump' into your visualization. but that would usually project you to the visualization itself, like a beach or another place. if you're a beginner, i'd suggest to sticking with projecting into your room/house. you want to explore step by step and not jump into the deepest ocean, if you know what i mean
2) experiment. yes, Raduga suggests you sleep 6 hours, and stay awake for 30 mins. but from experimenting, i found that the best method FOR ME is to sleep 3-4 hours, and stay awake 3-4 hours as well. i dont even need to do Raduga's method anymore, because as i go back to sleep and relax, my body tends to go into the vibrational stage and i would have an OBE. everybody's body is different. you gotta find what YOUR body prefers and how YOUR body functions. for example, staying up 5-10 minutes for me doesn't work. i just go back to sleep. and staying up for 30 minutes is even worse, because I have a really really really hard time falling back asleep for a few hours at least. so, like i said, experiment and find what works best for you. but do stick to Raduga's method for now, unless you already had a bunch of OBEs.
Quote from: Who Am I on August 12, 2014, 16:30:32
2 tips and advices
1) do exactly as Raduga suggested. wake up after a few hours, drink a glass of water and back to sleep with an intention of projecting. then the second you wake up again, try to separate without opening your eyes or moving your body. the best and most easiest method for me is rolling side to side, which is confusing in Raduga's book since he doesn't verbalize it this way. just roll your body side to side as you're laying on your back and you should roll out with your astral body onto the floor. other methods that worked for me were... the rope technique, imagine there is a rope going to the ceiling, visualize extending your astral arms, and pull your astral body out by climbing the rope. and the third, but the most rarest working method, is to 'jump' into your visualization. but that would usually project you to the visualization itself, like a beach or another place. if you're a beginner, i'd suggest to sticking with projecting into your room/house. you want to explore step by step and not jump into the deepest ocean, if you know what i mean
2) experiment. yes, Raduga suggests you sleep 6 hours, and stay awake for 30 mins. but from experimenting, i found that the best method FOR ME is to sleep 3-4 hours, and stay awake 3-4 hours as well. i dont even need to do Raduga's method anymore, because as i go back to sleep and relax, my body tends to go into the vibrational stage and i would have an OBE. everybody's body is different. you gotta find what YOUR body prefers and how YOUR body functions. for example, staying up 5-10 minutes for me doesn't work. i just go back to sleep. and staying up for 30 minutes is even worse, because I have a really really really hard time falling back asleep for a few hours at least. so, like i said, experiment and find what works best for you. but do stick to Raduga's method for now, unless you already had a bunch of OBEs.
Thanks,
I asked on another forum and the person said I didn't need to do the ninety minute technique because over time I would remember more dreams.
I think I'm going to stick with the 90 minute technique for at least a week more and if it doesn't work, then I'll go back to the obe4u techniques. So far the most dreams I've gotten to record is two doing this technique.
Also yesterday I had a dream that felt like an obe, but I didn't have full control of it.
Yesterday I really wanted to recall my dreams because of the breaking news of a celebrity death and wanted to see if I could meet that celebrity in the astral realm through a dream.
Also I got this from another forum but saying "What was I just dreaming?" out loud also helps in recalling dreams. I did it this morning and that's how I got the details feelings it was an obe dream.
Thanks.
Hi,
Over last week one of the days I awoke consciously in the middle of my sleep between three and four times. I was too tired / didn't focus on the techniques within those wake ups. Does anybody have any tips on how to wake up consciously in the middle of sleep like the book (the phase from obe4u) says? Do I just need to have a strong intention?
Thanks.
Waking up like that takes a lot of instant willpower to fight off the urge just to roll over and go back to sleep.
Have you tried affirmations?
Set your alarm across the room so you have to get up to turn it off; then stay up for twenty minutes or more.
takin a nap after I come from work works the best. Something about sleeping during a day makes my body automatically wake up within 3 hours. and after that I can't sleep again for a while. this only happens during the day at around 6 or 7pm... I'd wake up around 9 or 10 by default. If I were to go to sleep at night, that would be a different story...