Face to Face

[d3nd3]

To all people who believe in astral world and its existence , come to skype , at any time during the day or week or year, or life time, and add me, d3nd3-o0 .. here we can talk objectively 1on1 or how ever you like it about what we both believe to be the world..

If there is something you know, which you believe i should know, then you can tell me, and then i will pass that on to everyone else that i know, and they can do the same thing, hence making a chain of information and increaseing awareness tenfold.

I have no more patience for fun and games, i am a highly capable individual , -if there is a technique for entering an obe or likewise, then i can do it and it will work .. Lets not all be happy sitting comfortable on our delusional cushions shall we ?  Dreamers..

[c0sm0nautt]

I have no more patience for fun and games

Then how can you play the game of life? 

[alfalfa]

Then how can you play the game of life? 

in other words:
"i know something and i wont tell you"

Thank You! (chat sarcasti pawns)

[c0sm0nautt]

Nah, my point is don't take it all so seriously. Life isn't supposed to be some calculated equation barren of excitement. Approach the idea of astral travel like a new game. Get interested in it, get excited. Emotional invest will help you in success. If your are too focuses within the left-brain, the analytical calculating brain, it will hinder you. The right-brain is more abstract and imaginative.

[alfalfa]

just "Nah" ?
when you come to me because you want to know something how would you feel if i would start giving you sentences which make me feel cool and special?
i see now, you take nothing seriouse?
i do not think you should be so disregarding over the pain we are in, yes for you its all a game because you allready know, but for us its a dead seriouse topic
you seem to not take flaws in your characteristics seriouse, this means you will never learn out of mistakes because you dont take it seriouse
ignorance is dangerous thing to play with

do not feel hurt by criticism, it is a gift from me to you, so you can improve if you accept the critic, if you do not it is no problem either, the more opinions the better

[Xanth]

To all people who believe in astral world and its existence , come to skype , at any time during the day or week or year, or life time, and add me, d3nd3-o0 .. here we can talk objectively 1on1 or how ever you like it about what we both believe to be the world..

If there is something you know, which you believe i should know, then you can tell me, and then i will pass that on to everyone else that i know, and they can do the same thing, hence making a chain of information and increaseing awareness tenfold.

I have no more patience for fun and games, i am a highly capable individual , -if there is a technique for entering an obe or likewise, then i can do it and it will work .. Lets not all be happy sitting comfortable on our delusional cushions shall we ?  Dreamers..

If you can honestly learn what you need to, then please do. 
We'll try our best to help you towards that goal.

I will point out that we can talk just as "objectively" here on the Astral Pulse. 

[c0sm0nautt]

just "Nah" ?
when you come to me because you want to know something how would you feel if i would start giving you sentences which make me feel cool and special?
i see now, you take nothing seriouse?
i do not think you should be so disregarding over the pain we are in, yes for you its all a game because you allready know, but for us its a dead seriouse topic
you seem to not take flaws in your characteristics seriouse, this means you will never learn out of mistakes because you dont take it seriouse
ignorance is dangerous thing to play with

Life is full of pain and suffering. Self-pity only augments this.

do not feel hurt by criticism, it is a gift from me to you, so you can improve if you accept the critic, if you do not it is no problem either, the more opinions the better

I'm not hurt, I try to take stuff seriously remember.    And FYI, this forum is for astral projection - not to be confused with psychological projection. 

[personalreality]

it's pretty simple d3nd3.

the act of astral projection is simple, but not necessarily easy.  in essence your goal would be to shift your sensory awareness away from physical stimuli, similar to how you fall asleep at night.  now you are focused entirely within your mind.  done.

unfortunately, i don't believe this answer is sufficient for you.

you, like most of the "loud-mouth" variety of skeptics, assume you know what astral projection is and make a judgment.  the sad part is that the 'astral projection' taught and spoken of in the mainstream is of a much more new age variety and naturally carries connotations of spirits, extraterrestrials, strange and wonderful realities that defy even imagination, and other fluffiness that sounds like the best sci-fi novels.  It's touted as the spiritual breakthrough for all, the ticket to salvation. Perhaps you're interested in remote viewing (the semi-socially acceptable form of projection that skeptics like because the CIA, SRI, FBI, Secret Service, etc. etc. practiced it and created a systematic technique that was repeatable), perhaps you've read about shamans, perhaps you read the book of the dead or the pyramid texts. 

so what you really what to know is if "it" is real.  these other worlds.  the entities that we meet there.  the things we learn.  the growth we experience.  you want to know that these other things are objectively real, things that you can measure and classify. 

i will most likely be crucified for this statement by some here, but it's ok.  the bottom line is that it isn't real.  it's all in our heads.  we do not leave our bodies.  call it what you want, a dream, a lucid dream, an astral projection, OBE, phasing, shamanic journey, active imagination, soul flight, meditation, remote viewing, clairvoyance, psyche travel, psychological travel (never heard that one before this thread).  it's absolutely irrelevant, they are all EXACTLY the same thing.  they are different perspectives of the same experience that have spawned quasi-religious cult followings, complete with dogma and proper dress.  it is strictly our imagination.

that is as far as one can go within the scope of this forum and the details of this question.  however, as a lifetime skeptic (which isn't always a good thing friend), this will not be enough because a bigger question is presented now.  that is, what is the nature of conscious experience and what, if any, are the confines of consciousness.  if they are infinite, then maybe my imagination is your imagination and in a sense all this OBE stuff is very real in the way you would like to think of the word. 

remember what i said in the beginning, "in essence your goal would be to shift your sensory awareness away from physical stimuli, similar to how you fall asleep at night.  now you are focused entirely within your mind."  I have achieved this end and so I speak from personal experience as well as extensive research.  if it's really that easy to feel like I'm in a totally different reality, it stands to reason that there isn't much difference between this reality and that one.  perhaps your definition of objectivity and how you measure it isn't quite as accurate as you thought. 

so, if you really want to find out for yourself if the "experience of another reality" is real, then it will take mental discipline that we just aren't taught in our modern society, and thus may require intensive training (depending on your particular psychological makeup).  however, if you want to try to prove that these experiences are objectively real (by your definition of what objectively real means), then i fear you will be dissapointed.  for a skeptic, that is a cop out answer.  as someone who has been there, it is the only answer any of us can give you.  the main reason is that we are talking about experience, not objective reality.  personal experience is intensely subjective, and barring the psychic transfer of my consciousness to yours, such an experience can never be expressed in the words of the 'materialist' reality that i believe you are seeking answers for.

i sincerely hope that helps you understand the distinction that needs to be made with such a topic.  again, to clarify:

1. the act of experiencing another reality is simple.  just put yourself there more than you are here.  (requires mental discipline)

this is different from,

2. believing in the objective (by materialist/physical definition) reality of the realms visited.

so, when you spout off about proving OBEs, please make sure you know what you're asking. 


beyond that, godspeed friend

[Simo]

D3nd3 and aflalfa everithing is practice!not every time is succesfull!so keep trying!the mornings are better time than the  evenings!

[djed]

This PersonalReality guy... He rocks!
I will endorse most of what he is saying.

Keep it coming Man.
Djed 

[personalreality]

I do tend to rock pretty hard.

I appreciate the sentiment djed.

I, on the other hand, do not endorse most of what I say.  lol.

I'm kind of like oscar wilde in that i contradict myself often and with zeal.  It's not so strange really, I am a different person in every moment, just like the rest of you.  I just roll with the moment and the insight/intuition that accompanies it.  So, I may not endorse what I said yesterday because things change. 

I don't endorse that either.  It sounds like drivel upon a second reading.

Anyway, thanks djed, I try to help when I can.