How do you stop the voices?

[Tayesin]

Hi, this might sound just as mad.  It does work.  Imagine a mirror around your head, see it in your minds eye.  Within seconds you should feel them easing off, then you can choose to call one in or not.  All I can say is try it.

Love Always.[]

[Anton]

Thank you Tayesin!! []
Haha, i think it works.. just tried it for maybe one minute and the only thing that popped up in mind was "Mirror".
Thanks, this was the most useful visualisation to quiet the mind i have ever tried. Wery good example and just SO logic simple.

Tavesin, do you have any other visualisation techniques like this one for handle certain problems?

Ill share this one if someone find it useful:
When im in a situation when i feel not-connected with somebody ill just try to visualise a globe, like a atom. It helps me to know that we all are build of the same things and are just this big one family And offcourse, our mother Gaia (earth).

Another fun feeling, a example of the oneness feeling, i think:
Think of the little little atom, zoom out your view to your normal eye view and then expand and think the planets as atoms, the galaxys as atoms, and zoom out, zoom out, zoom out... try to get the whole perspektiv, the WHOLE perspektiv, what do you see?? []

Hope youll understand..

Bright, bright love!
/Anton

[nthjbam]

Is the mirror a globe that surrounds your head?  and Does the mirror face inwards or outwards?

Be well,
J

[smooth]

Hey i just wont to share some of my thoughts.

Well i also am going through what u are in to ways. First i need to say is that i am vonerable  because i am open spiritly and that is like calling spirits to me. i should say i meant open to seeing spirits/ghosts. I have a neg that follows me and puts negitive thoughts in my head he where a black suit. i just tell hem to go away leave me alon you cant controll me. and he left.

Secondely i hear some one breathing very loudly when i try to have an obe or im just sitting there. Like 10 secondes after i lay down i hear it. i tell it to stop but i wont.

So just kinda be force full and tell it to stop and leave me alone.

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by nthjbam

Is the mirror a globe that surrounds your head?  and Does the mirror face inwards or outwards?

Be well,
J

I'm glad you asked that, I was going to post saying the mirror should face outwards.[^]

Nay

[holy reality]

I know some might consider me "crazy" but

"Next, if you've stayed with me this far. Here is where it gets interesting. The other night I was just lying in bed meditating, when suddenly 9 or so voices starting talking inside my head. There were men and women, some were stronger than others, some were distinct some were little more than a feeling that they were there and trying to communicate. These I am sure were not my own thoughts. They felt foreign and I just tried to keep myself quit and hone in on at least one individual, but I found it too hard to block out all the other voices. This is one of the very few times in my life that I can recall having an experience like this. It wasn't really scary, I had no fear of these voices but I found it too complicated or difficult to figure out what they were saying or wanted etc and I eventually passed out solving nothing. So if you have any answers, suggestions, or thoughts I would love to hear them. Thanks for trying to be enlightened."

That sounds absolutely normal to me... just like, hypnagogic hallucinations... today I was trying to NAP and I CANNOT F******ING FALL ASLEEP !!! like always, and into hypnagogics I saw some girl, and like, some blue, and pink, don't remember it too well, but she was talking to another girl... something about "Ginger" maybe, I don't know, I remembered it a little it then,  but not at all now (i'm never conscious during these things)

So I was like "Ginger who?" and they were like "Ginger who?" and it echoed and got loud and I snapped 'awake' ..... but yeah... I wish I could stay conscious during this stuff so I could watch it, manipulate it, communicate with it.

Now this is where I sound crazier but I believe you can see into the future, or hear phone conversations, things like that, while in the borderline awake/asleep state, NOT while LD, not while AP, but specifically this fragile half asleep state seems suited for it specifically to me... becuase I remember one morning I was slowly waking up, and i heard my mom talking to the cleaning lady, she was telling her that I was staying home, or something.... and I also found out from the convo that she was in fact coming over today on my day off....

Well now, I didn't think much of it when I got up, but then, my mom told me the exact thing just a few minutes later, I do not know whether they were talking on the phone SO EARLY IN THE MORNING.... that doesn't make much sense, and it seemed to me while hearing them talk, that she was at the door... so it could've been a glimpse at a phonecall made recently in the past, or... who knows.

The point was that it was true, it was very literal, to the point, as if it were not generated by my unconscious.

So......

yeah, if you get voices while meditating or sleeping, that is totally normal, though supposedly hearing voices converse with each other is a sign of schizophrenia.

[gopherboy455]

schizophrenia, i believe goes alot deeper than just an illusion. I often get echoes of noises mostly voices when im almost completely quieted in the mind. Alot of times i feel that it is sending the noises to me and that im not just picking up things floating around on another plane, sometimes especially when this neg which i dont think i have a problem with ne more was around me he would growl and laugh insanely all sorts of things. Honestly, you have to be careful whether the voices are being generated inside ur head our outside ur head. my greatest advice is to try to talk back to it, and get a feel of where its coming from

[cube]

A good trick you can do whenever you've got a few seconds is to do a heartbeat counting mindblank. First start off by doing a solid mindblank for 3 heartbeats, forming a picture of each number in your mind with no other thoughts entering in.

If you have a thought you didn't plan to have, start the count over again. Work your way up to higher and higher numbers. After you get to about 30 or so you can pretty much go forever.

[nthjbam]

Cool trick, I will try it out.

As far as Schizophrenia goes, who knows.  But it's not an everyday occurence, just when I try to still my mind.  I don't think they were talking to each other either, I think they were all trying to get me to listen to them, but they were all over the place, overpowering each other, some were strong, some weak, some male, some female, etc.  And they weren't saying "listen to me" etc.  They were all talking about random stuff, all different.  Can't remember what but it was like being tapped into a bunch of one sided conversations.  

Be well,
J

[majour ka]

A good way to train control over your thoughts is to imagine children in a room in your mind, the children are going to sing a nursrey rhyme starting one at a time from the front to the back so eventualy they are all singing together, then lead them out of the room and down winding corridoors skiping and singing as they go. There are doors left and right, the trick is to lead them through the maze and back to the room they started from. If they try and leave the group ( and yhey probably will!) bring them back in line and keep them singing. The result..with practice you control your own thoughts. It will certainly help. Good luck M.Ka

[holy reality]

quote:Originally posted by cube

A good trick you can do whenever you've got a few seconds is to do a heartbeat counting mindblank. First start off by doing a solid mindblank for 3 heartbeats, forming a picture of each number in your mind with no other thoughts entering in.

If you have a thought you didn't plan to have, start the count over again. Work your way up to higher and higher numbers. After you get to about 30 or so you can pretty much go forever.

I don't want to get in to the full depth of my theories, but I firmly believe it is near, if not totally, impossible to keep the mind blank. What I believe, is simply, that you are turning your attention, in the case of this excercise, ALL OF IT, onto the counting, this does not mean, under any circumstances, that the mind is not still active, that is is REALLY quiet, it just means, that you are not hearing the unconscious dribble, because you are very intent on not paying attention, and you aren't listening for it.

I believe that we constantly have voices, images, etc, running through our unconscious mind, and that we are just normally filtering them, but when we try to quiet the conscious mind (which is totally possible) the unconscious then turns on, and we start to fall asleep, or for the lucky ones, into a trance.

Maybe you can shut the subconscious up, and keep the conscious shut up, I don't know... frankly I don't think hardly anyone REALLY thinks nothing, rather, they just simply aren't paying enough attention to their thoughts, and aren't realizing that they are happening

I mean, the mind isn't silent when we sleep, but we often in reflection perceive it as that way, when rather, we actually go through a huge storm of thinking and problem solving, etc, sure, when you get into a DEEP sleep it's close to dead, that is an exception, but most people they just don't even realize they have so many thoughts in their heads, because they have very selective attention.

By counting that might be all they hear, is themselves counting, they might not notice all the "underwater" thoughts that are swirling around.

I do.....

I don't think you can turn them off, I think you can just not pay attention to them. This means, sadly, that you have to put your entire being into extreme strain in trying to stay focused on the task at hand, and to not let go of it, not let it become automatic, let it constantly be in the present....

How long can you hold an image before it goes away and the unconscious changes it to something else? You can hold the desire to hold it there for a damn long time, but how long can you hold the image itself? Me? 5 seconds or so...... then it mutates, my mind gets bored with it...

I don't think you can really ever stop this stuff from happening, you can just get very good at focusing...... and you can, totally, shut the conscious mind off, by simply not thinking, and listening to the voices, looking at the images.... having a mantra loop automatically until it doesn't feel like you are even saying it anymore.

But... turning the unconscious off? To me that seems a huge feat, if even possible.... I'm in my infancy still but just to be hearing the ucnonscious mind for me implies complete lack of consciousness, so that it may permeate into my head at listenable levels.

Meaning I can't interact with it.


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Okay then..... so basically, counting and restarting whenever you have a thought, that just ultimately paves the way for you to start falling into unconscious thought, from my experience, it shuts your NORMAL mind up and turns on the voices even more until you lose track into hypnagogics and evetually become startled back "awake" into "focus".

If anyone who does counting techniques thinks otherwise, please elaborate... this is my experience and it's frustrating, how are you to focus when you have no conscious mind anymore? (or the one you have seems to be largely frozen and incapacitated)

[nthjbam]

Interesting point which I do think carries alot of validity.  However there must be a way to  discipline your entire mind conscious and sub-concious.  We have full control, whether or not that means truly silencing it, I don't know.  It doesn't seem probable, but it would be nice to either silence it completely, somewhat similar to the effect of sound when you are underwater, noise is still there but it is distant and unimportant.  Or perhaps developing such a fierce focus that everyhitng else is nullified by your attention on nothing.  Therefore thorugh intense concentration everything else ceases to exist.  I have no answers, only more questions to lead down paths which are long and winding.  I will try and meditate on this.  I don't ever think telling things to shut up etc is the correct way to deal with them.  I will try to learn more and share my experiences with you.  Peace out.

Be well,
J

[nthjbam]

I may come off sounding slightly mad, but that's inhereint so it is unavoidable.  Here we go.  In my daily life I have all sorts of thoughts, just as every other person does, but I have an exceptionally difficult time controlling what I think.  Sometimes it is terrible, like a child blurting things out without thinking about what they are saying, the consequences of their actions, the ramifications etc.  I've tried basic meditation which does help, but I was wondering if anyone has found a good way to simply still the mind, quiet the mind, etc.  When I finally get around to attempting to project, first I have to lie down and quiet my mind, which sometimes simply does not work and I pass out before I snuff all the candles upstairs (metaphor).  So 1) I am looking for all of your advice on a good meditation practice, mantra etc that is good for stopping errant thoughts and controlling your mind, I suppose some method of mental discipline.  

Next, if you've stayed with me this far.  Here is where it gets interesting.  The other night I was just lying in bed meditating, when suddenly 9 or so voices starting talking inside my head.  There were men and women, some were stronger than others, some were distinct some were little more than a feeling that they were there and trying to communicate.  These I am sure were not my own thoughts.  They felt foreign and I just tried to keep myself quit and hone in on at least one individual, but I found it too hard to block out all the other voices.  This is one of the very few times in my life that I can recall having an experience like this.  It wasn't really scary, I had no fear of these voices but I found it too complicated or difficult to figure out what they were saying or wanted etc and I eventually passed out solving nothing.  So if you have any answers, suggestions, or thoughts I would love to hear them.  Thanks for trying to be enlightened.

Be well,
J