Figured out how to OBE (finally)

[Huwie]

quote:Originally posted by Steel Hawk

The etheric body is magnetically charged north, while the astral body is charged south.

What makes you say that?

[Steel Hawk]

Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce both say to lie down with the head to the north. Several other OBE'ers also recommend this or say it's natural for them.

It would make sense to say that the astral body is charged south and it is then attracted to Earth's northern magnetic field... right? well thats a bit shaky but..

Then I think about how Sylvan Muldoon said that if he tried to touch his physical body he was magnetically pulled back in... So if the astral body is charged south.. and the etheric body is charged north... this would make sense.. maybe im wrong...

[Huwie]

Yes, that does make sense.  Thanks!

[The AlphaOmega]

There are also many other authors who have validated that direction means little to nothing when OBE are concerned.  Maybe it needs further exploration, but I doubt that the direction you are facing when attempting an OBE is going to be the deciding factor between success and failure.

[Opiate]

Brain wave generators:

Umm where can i find one? etc...
Reading posts i think im looking for the Theta one... any available or demos for free or somethin??

[Steel Hawk]

quote:but I doubt that the direction...

Actually you have a greater probability to project if your sitting or laying down with your head pointed to the north... meaning the closet part of your body to the north is your head. Studies, etc have validated this. (read monroe's books, look in the back)

The earth produceds a 0.00005 Tesla magnetic field. Humans use small amounts of electricity. The brain is an electrochemical organ; and speculations are that a fully functioning brain can generate as much as 10 watts of electrical power. Electrical activity emanating from the brain is displayed in brainwaves.

We have an electric current going through our brains 24/7. A la brain waves. An electric current creates a magnetic field. Okee.. Everyone following along?

Now suppose on a normal day our brain is at 18 Hz on average. So we are in the Beta brain wave state meaning full awake. So we create a very very very weak magnetic field around us. What if the etheric body has it's own magnetic field? It wouldn't be able to escape because the more powerfully 18 Hz field is being generated by the conscious brain.

But wait... If we bring our brain waves to Theta or 3-4 Hz we can OBE. Theres more.. most (if not all) people feel vibrations when projecting in the RTZ... could this be two magnetic field oscillating at the same frequency?

Heres the major point. We all OBE when we sleep. Why? Well when we sleep we know that the brain produces Delta waves at 3 Hz and under. Maybe the etheric body is stronger than this and is able to escape...

Well my theory any way... it could be off but I tried.. did research.. oh well.

[Steel Hawk]

quote:Brain wave generators:

Umm where can i find one? etc...
Reading posts i think im looking for the Theta one... any available or demos for free or somethin??

Try http://www.bwgen.com, it's free (to some degree).

Also Google Search. Flasher was the name of one of free ones, never got it to work.

[Dragen]

Steel Hawk,
Very intriguing observations!  From a scientific perspective you are making many interesting statements and coming up with some pretty powerful conclusions.  However, I would like to point out that not everything regarding this subject can be proven with modern physics.  While some of it applies, we cross a line in to metaphysics.. It has always been my theory that combining both of these is absolutely necessary if we ever plan on understanding all of this someday.

Scientists need to stop blasting spiritual beliefs since they can't be proven like modern physics..

Spiritual individuals (especially religions) need to stop believing everything they are told and attempt to take a scientific approach instead of just "faith"..

Both are needed.. Afterall, we are physical beings (physical) with higher levels of consciousness (non physical) .. they are connected and depend on each other to exist on this plane.

Your scientific observations will only take you so far.. and then brainwave data is suddenly a moot point.  You strike as the person who is interested in brainwave activity and how it relates to OBE's.  Check this out, I think you will enjoy it!  You will see what i'm talking about.. especially when the brainwave tests come out as "normal" but also "abnormal" during the subjects "OBE experience" ... at one point, they talk about this brainwave state needing it's own category!  (They are missing data.. which cannot be retrieved by physical means)

Here it is:
http://www.paradigm-sys.com/display/ctt_articles2.cfm?ID=31

Enjoy!

[Centa Five]

Interesting theory Steel Hawk.  I didn't know that one needed to get into a deep trance (theta state) in order to project. If you can put your theory into effect, attain your 4.5 hz brain wave level and align them as you described, and then project on a regular basis then I'd say that you are light-years ahead of the group leading the OBE charge.  Good luck to you, keep theorizing and let us know how it works out when you put it to the test.  Thanks for your post and take care.

[Steel Hawk]

Thanks.. I'm working on it. Some progress... I guess my real goal with all this is the "magic" device that could allow me to project (i.e. some type of magnet field generator that pulls you out of your body, etc). We'll see I guess.

[Dragen]

It's called a Hyperdimensional Resonator.  Whether or not it actually works.. that's a very large argument in itself.

But why would you want to do that, when you can do it naturally?  Robert Bruce can do it everytime without using devices.  And everybody can learn how!

[8D]

[purelight]

Steel Hawk i must say that your theory sounds very right to me and here is why:
MANY times at night before sleep while in bed and ready to sleep if i try to concetrate on something,a story,a word while i fall asleep i get the vibes and the strange sounds after 2 or 3 minutes!! Last i experience and shifting out of my body senseations!
I felt that i was rising upward.
That has happen to me many times while going to bed at night for sleep.
From the other anytime i try to project morning or evening while relaxing and entering trance state (alpha) i get a clear mind and a relaxed body but that's all!!!

As you see i think you are right about the borderline and how important is to reach that state and after vibes arise,like in my case in the night before i fall asleep.

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[NecroGod]

Steel Hawk:
Brilliant [|)]
I don't know whether or not there's any validity to what you're saying, but it's always great to see somone looking for new ways to think about things. I'm certainly eager to hear anything more you have to say about the topic, and I'm probably going to look down that line of thinking a bit. You definitely never learn anything new unless you explore new ideas.

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Steel Hawk




1. OBE's occur in the Theta brain wave state.

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I believe at 4-5hz is where (conscious) OBE's occur.

You know what, that makes perfect sense. You can reach that state easily with BWGEN.

[Steel Hawk]

Yeah, Robert Monroe has done several experiments, it appears that OBE's do occur at the Theta stage and below into the Delta.

I think thats why he developed hemi-sync, to put the brain in those lower states for people without old school training.

Idea for OBE machine of the future:

Monitors brain waves, using hemi-sync when subject reaches low Theta brain wave state creates a high powered north charged magnetic field on top of persons head, pulsates field until persons brain waves are change to mixed theta, alpha waves.

Eh, who knows. I think it's possible. After all if projectors get caught in power lines they can be effected by some physical force.

[Claw]

So, I'm guessing, I can use brainwave generator's "Sleep Inducting" preset to lower my brain level to Theta (that's what it does), then I'll be able to OBE.  I'm going to try that now.  I'll see if it works.

[Steel Hawk]

I've been doing a lot of research lately.

Here are my conclusions:

1. OBE's occur in the Theta brain wave state.

Yup.. that's it. Put yourself in a Theta brain wave state (for a minute or so) and you'll most likely get those vibrations and seperate. Nothing else is required (in my opinion).

Before I was able to get my physical body in a trance but my brain waves were probably in the Alpha state. Thus I would never project.

I believe at 4-5hz is where (conscious) OBE's occur. Borderline sleep, seems to be the issue.

My theory on most current projection techniques:

They are designed to put your mind in the borderline sleep state (low Theta range brain waves) and still keep your conscious, conscious.

I remember I used to start imagining things, like a dream scenario before I would actually fall asleep. And as I would focus more on the scenario I would drift off.

I think OBE techniques are simliar. They have you focus on a scenario (pulling your body out with ROPE, imagining your self floating, etc) that requires low brain power and is primarly generated by the right side of your brain. (dreams are 100% from the right side of your brain, if my memory is correct) The only difference between OBE techniques and dream scenarios is that OBE techniques are generally repeatitive, causing the consciousness to focus on one task.

So hopefully the technique causes the would be projector to achieve a Theta level brain waves while keeping him/her aware of the process.

My theory anyway...

I'm also thinking about something kinda unrelated:

The etheric body is magnetically charged north, while the astral body is charged south.

When the brain reaches 4-5 hertz it is close enough to the delta range (delta range=sleep=natural projection) to trigger the projection process... Which I think is..

Brain in Theta at 4-5 hertz, which means electric field/magnetic field created at this level. I think the astral body also resonates around 3-5 hertz... I think that when both fields line up (or both are at the same Hz) vibrations occur.

Well.. im rambling.. i think more of this.. but blah. Laters!