So its not technique but Memory that is the key???

[Kuroth]

The more I read on this, the more I am starting to believe it...

The "Holy Grail" for all of us has been to find the "just right technique" when in fact most, if not all of us, OBE every night...  99% of the time we just never remember it...

In reading such authors as Robert Bruce, this is what they believe..  That the hard part of OBE is not having them, but remembering them...

Roberts whole Mind/Body Split theory is interesting...  I am not sure I am 100% on board with it but in a lot of ways it makes sense and explains why most of the time we dont remember our OBE's..

When it talked about have you ever had vibrations etc and then thought you failed and just feel back asleep???  This has happened to me several times..  Where I felt I was on the verge but then failed...  Well according to him we did not fail but just failed to remember...


So my question is if memory is the key, why dont we see this stressed more than actual  technique???

Does anyone have any good recommendations, besides Robert B., that teach how to remember your OBE's???


  Thanks!

[Xanth]

I completely agree that we OBE each night, we just call them "dreams".

I don't believe that the problem lies in "remembering" them... I believe that the problem lies in becoming consciously aware DURING them.

And that, generally, just requires practice.  It's about either phasing/shifting your consciousness directly into the non-physical while remaining consciously aware... or finding queues for yourself that trigger that conscious awareness while you're out (aka dreaming).

[Astral316]

So my question is if memory is the key, why dont we see this stressed more than actual  technique???

Does anyone have any good recommendations, besides Robert B., that teach how to remember your OBE's???

I think you're mixing up dreaming with OBE'ing. Some people say dreams are experiences that are out of body so they too are OBEs, or they say during dreams you're projecting into the astral so dreams also are astral projections. So what is the fully conscious experience called that a dream is not? I keep dreams and OBEs/projections separate terms for this reason.

That being said, you probably do dream every night. If you want to remember your dreams better meditation is great. Also in your daily life think in the moment and be engaged in what you're doing as opposed to thinking in the past or future. These things should get your dreams lucid so you can remember them easily, and you may even project if you're lucky.

With astral projection, the name of the game is full awareness in progress. Techniques are for conscious departures from the physical that will result in fully conscious experiences. Memory of the event is usually a give in and if it isn't, the tips I gave above help improve it.

[Highergoals]

Being conscious is the trick.  There are so many ways, but I used to wake up at 5am every day and then just recite rapidly in my mind a long verse of words that took around a minute or so to go through in my mind and then repeat it mentally around 20 or 30 times until I spontaneously OBE'd.  Reason I woke up at 5:00am is that I was well rested, but knew that I would fall asleep fast, so staying completely still and repeating what I remembered time and time again would allow me to stay fully conscious when it happened.  

The reason I recited the verse rapidly and continuously was that if there was just a little lapse of a moment, that could be the time I would fall asleep and forget everything.  Remembering something that would take at least 1 minute in length really helped. I used the "I AM light" decree that I read in a book once.  Here is the link of that decree I just found on the net.  http://www.summitlighthouse.org/reading-room/inner-perspectives/45-aura-of-oneness.html

What I learned later on is that you could repeat anything and everything so long as you repeat it fast enough not to fall asleep.  I just used the above decree because it made me feel good saying it after reading it in the book.

[Psan]

So my question is if memory is the key, why dont we see this stressed more than actual  technique???

Does anyone have any good recommendations, besides Robert B., that teach how to remember your OBE's???


 Thanks!

I have to disagree with you here. If you struggle to remember your AP, then you have not APed at all.....

AP is an experience which you will never forget (unless you have too many of them, and you let go of some least interesting ones). It is so extraordinary and yet so real. You can argue about it being really "real" and all that spiritual stuff, but the experience itself is very real, in a sense that it really happens and that you are really experiencing it just as you experience anything in broad daylight. Where is the question of remembering it ?

Robert Bruce is a master of this art no doubt. By downloading memories he simply means - to remain aware of the process and not to get lost in a dream. If you do, then the whole experience will be remembered as a dream, or worst, will be forgotten as a dream. If you can't remember your OBE, then the only explanation is that you were not intensely aware throughout it (as other are saying above), and you had only glimpses of awareness and vaguely remember about it.