First AP. Weirddd but wonderful

[Mez]

i've been passively attempting astral projection for a few months now... I naturally wake up during the night often at around 2-3am a few nights of the week so i figured i'd use the hypnopompic state to make ap attempts.

last night i was having a dream then i woke up, i just lay there with my eyes closed (extremely groggy, body pretty much asleep) and i did what i normally do... just succumb to sleepiness while staying focused on my task at hand... within seconds i felt normal exit symptoms which got heavier very quickly. vibrations, noise, strange vision. it felt like i was being run over by a freight train but it didnt hurt and then pop... there was a flash of white so quick, blink and you'd miss it then it was total darkness for a second or two and suddenly i could see...i was out of my body for the first time ever!

i floated away from my body and upwards my mind was pretty much racing... the sensation of having no body was kinda freaky but amazing... what really threw me though as that when i reached the ceiling i realised that i wasnt in my room i live in now... i was in one of my old houses in a room that existed 2 years ago. i remembered that first timers should keep it short so i flew over the bookshelf and into the middle of the rumpus room and just... shook it out and woke up, returning to my body. i sprung awake tottaly in shock. it was so intense and so amazing. FINALY!!!!!

but can anyone tell me...

why did i wind up at an old house of mine?
where else could i wind up?

i just thought i'd be in my room in the real time zone. obviously that wasnt the case.

[T.L.]

     There could be any number of reasons. Its all up to the person really, with one stray thought you could either end up coming back to the physical body, or end up in a different country. In the out of body state thought is action/reaction. Let's in this thread not get caught up in what people think the out of body state is. For this thread let's just agree that it is a different state of consciousness than the waking state. Never-the-less the projectors thoughts guide the projector, if the projector does not have complete control over his/her thoughts it will have immediate and instantaneous consequences. Also in the waking we can not realize this but time is just an illusion.
    Since we are in the waking now we see it as a real thing. In the obe state time is null and void per se. Sure you could very well and usually do end up in what people call rtz (real time zone). There is also a chance you could end up if your very room except that it doesnt look the same or completely has a different set up or furniture than you have put in your room. You could also end up other places you have lived, and places you havent. The answer I have found to this is just that time does not exist in the obe state. Some think it does etc.. so lets just agree that most find time to be severely subjective in the obe state. You are not held to a specific time while projecting you could end up in the rtz, then decide you want to see something from a different time period of the earth, and end up there.

[Lysear]

  Firstly, many congratulations on your first projection. i remember the feeling I got on my first time!

   Secondly. When it comes to astral projections, I like to think that the "astral plain" is made up of the same stuff as our thoughts. It is the case in theosophical systems that the astral body of the human being is the seat of sentience, it is where your concioiusness  rests. When you consider this, and then you consider how hard it is to, for example visualize an apple and keep this mental picture in your conciousness for more than a couple of seconds before you have to re-create it, it becomes apparent how little control the average person has over their thought life. If you consider then, that we have difficulty controling the substance of the thought world (i.e. thoughts!) then it is hardly surprising that you change locations, objects appear/dissapear, etc. Practice makes perfect I think.


                                                         Joe.
             

[Sharpe]

  Firstly, many congratulations on your first projection. i remember the feeling I got on my first time!

   Secondly. When it comes to astral projections, I like to think that the "astral plain" is made up of the same stuff as our thoughts. It is the case in theosophical systems that the astral body of the human being is the seat of sentience, it is where your concioiusness  rests. When you consider this, and then you consider how hard it is to, for example visualize an apple and keep this mental picture in your conciousness for more than a couple of seconds before you have to re-create it, it becomes apparent how little control the average person has over their thought life. If you consider then, that we have difficulty controling the substance of the thought world (i.e. thoughts!) then it is hardly surprising that you change locations, objects appear/dissapear, etc. Practice makes perfect I think.


                                                         Joe.
             

Doesn't this kinda prove that you don't actually go out of your body?

[Lysear]

 

Doesn't this kinda prove that you don't actually go out of your body?

    Well, that depends on how you consider the make-up of the human being. I would suggest that you could look at it this way. Human beings are spiritual beings. The spirit world is really where the "being" is from and lives. Those parts of the human being that are not physical, the mind and spirit, only express themselves via the physical body/etheric body, they are not housed within it. The Physical body is a tool, through with to explore and interact with the physical world. The human being takes hold of this tool and uses it. Some people take hold of this tool more strongly in different areas (for example the thinking, some the feeling, some the willing.)
    With the above perspective in mind, the astral projector does not really project out of his body anyway, but is already existing outside of the material/physical world, and merely extracts himself from it, and retains concious awareness.  (which I believe he does every night anyway, albeit less conciously.)

                                                Joe.

[Mez]

thanks for all your replies i've studied up a lot about the astral planes and im in agreement with what's being said. I know time doesnt really exist... Time is holographic. Here in the material world its just a buffer but in the astral i say the room was "2 years" ago because i was in it in the material world 2 years ago when the room was in that state so by being there physically i gave it thought which gives it its place in the astral. Its just different reading about all this and then actually experiencing it. Theory and practice are two totally different animals. And as for the people who say you dont really leave your body... welllllll... When your concious and you dont have a body it seems pretty real. Regardless of whats really going on... you've shifted your conciousness to another dimension and that my friends is spectacular just in itself!!! I look foward to my next venture out of my body.

[Magickist]

Maybe you still thought of that place as your real home, or you became more attached with it than with your current house and that's why you ended up there. It could've just randomly entered your mind somehow, but where you end up is pretty much up to you and what you think.

[Blazewind]

Congratulations on your first AP.  I am sorry I can't give any thoughts on your experience because I have little personal experience of my own.  All I can say though is that you give me hope.  If others are making their first successful APs then maybe I will one day as well.