Could the astral realm be apart of an artificial reality?

[uhsumdumboy]

Alright, as long as you clicked the topic, humor me here and hear me out.

What if let's say whatever/whoever/wherever the source of the big bang is.

Or whatever started the creation of the universe, wherever this source is it's the top of the universe okay?

And this physical world is just the creation, well what if the astral world is another creation?

What if above and beyond are just levels of worlds, creations. and all of it is artificially created by whatever is at top?

Why not?  Discuss.

[Zagadka]

I'm with you on this... except I won't say it's artificial, it still remains very real, even though in a way you could also say it's artificial... it's real and unreal, it's true and it's false at the same time... I think that in the eyes of God, there is no duality, so nothing is truly real neither isn't when you understand the principle of unity... I mean, not when you understand it, but when you actually experience unity! I hope that wasn't too confusing! 

[eskimoswim]

Well I personally don't believe there is a "top" or an end of the line to some sort of hierarchy of worlds and beings; however, I think it's totally possible that the astral world is yet another creation. I'd assume the universe is unlimited and nearly every thing is a creator which has also been created.

[Bedeekin]

Dude... you need to read My Big TOE! You've hit the nail on the head... in a roundabout fashion. 

This is basically what many come to understand after a lot of exploration. Me included. It runs so deep... that you would need a whole website devoted to it.

Rather than the 'astral' or rather Nonphysical reality being a construct of this reality... it's understood that this reality is a constrained subset of the nonphysical. This reality being the result of the nonphysical.

Whatever is at the top isn't understood nor is probably conceivable by our physical world understanding.

Like I said.. anyone could argue or theorise... so save yourself the time and read My Big TOE by Thomas Campbell. 

[catmeow]

There is a theory in conventional science, that the physical universe is a computer simulation (bit like the matrix) and we are all living in a virtual reality. There is no reason why the NPR shouldn't be included in the simulation. This of course means that the intelligence which wrote the simulation could just switch it off at any time.

Personally, I totally don't buy this idea. It places far too much confidence in (1) computing hardware, (2) software and (3) the intelligence of beings, somewhere, to write the whole simulation. And of course, those intelligent beings may themselves be living in a simulation written by someone else.

A big problem with the simulation theory, is that there would have to be an immense bank of comatose people, "plugged in" to the simulation (exactly as in the Matrix). Think about how impractical that would be, given that thousands of people (and animals) would have to be plugged in and removed each day as they are born and die.

Either that, or else we are all just artificial intelligences (AIs), built into the computer simulation. The level of intelligence and resources quired to write such a simulation, which not only manages to simulate the operation of the universe, but also simulates human intelligence, would seem to be impossibly high.

Just one thought though.... if we are in fact artificial intelligences, running in a simulation, that might explain our complete inability to comprehend ourselves. Our creators might have designed us to be intelligent enough to evolve and survive, but omitted that part of intelligence, required to allow us to comprehend ourselves.

But in truth, I don't believe it.

[ChopstickFox]

Hehe, when I think of this and then try to put into words the first thing I want to say is: "It's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff."

But certainly looking at it from the epitome of a stand off-ish stand point, I certainly see where you're going with that. (I still need to read "My Big TOE", haha.)

Probably by that point it would be our of our perception of being able to conceptualize. BUT if for shiggles we assumed that we were able to understand, we could probably trace the creation of things by the creation of other things until we eventually got to the "top".

Wouldn't it be interesting if the top we found ended up being the bottom? :3

[Bedeekin]

Personally, I totally don't buy this idea. It places far too much confidence in (1) computing hardware, (2) software and (3) the intelligence of beings, somewhere, to write the whole simulation. And of course, those intelligent beings may themselves be living in a simulation written by someone else.

A big problem with the simulation theory, is that there would have to be an immense bank of comatose people, "plugged in" to the simulation (exactly as in the Matrix). Think about how impractical that would be, given that thousands of people (and animals) would have to be plugged in and removed each day as they are born and die.

Either that, or else we are all just artificial intelligences (AIs), built into the computer simulation. The level of intelligence and resources quired to write such a simulation, which not only manages to simulate the operation of the universe, but also simulates human intelligence, would seem to be impossibly high.

On the face of it, it is very difficult not to conceptualise the idea of a simulated reality without referring to the Matrix... or that to be simulated it needs to be ran by other beings using an actual computer... this isn't the case.

Imagine that there aren't any comatose bodies anywhere... and that it isn't an actual computer with hardware or software... but that the simulation is best described using the analogy of a computer rather than actually being a computer. That we are individuated units or all part of a whole that is running a reality simulation to increase the potential learning capabilities and evolution of its quality of consciousness.

It is better to actually use a multiplayer game as an analogy of the simulated reality than the Matrix. In that you are a self aware avatar that is being overseen by a 'user' and that 'user' is just a smaller individuated fragment of a 'whole'. Imagine a family tree type pattern with your physical body in its physical universe as the last entry in that family tree.

Obviously... this is a minuscule and totally simplified version of a tiny fragment of the information that one is brought to understand through reading My Big TOE.. and can't be simply described in a little thread... nor a forum for that matter. You really need to experience it rather than have it explained... and then it becomes more of a given fact than just a belief.

[Stookie_]

The way I see it our being is completely tied into all levels of consciousness at all times. While our awareness is on the level of physical, our subconscious is active on the astral level, and is also being influenced at the mental level. Everything from "up above" flows to "down below"... as occultists say "as above, so below". And as long as we're locked in an ego, it's a matrix type situation. Our perception of things is completely tied into our reality - change your perception, change your reality, until you finally break through to what's "real", which I would say is pure consciousness before/without any manifestation.

[Szaxx]

Does this idea mean that those who visit any NPR'S are akin to Tron?
A TSR program of sorts.

[Bedeekin]

Yes.

[Szaxx]

He he them bikes are fast, want one.

[Bedeekin]

I presume if you want one you can get one. I made a lightsaber during OOBE once. It was as real as anything here. Obviously... there were no constraints nor repercussions from cutting down a tree with it... and no police to take it off me.

[Szaxx]

Nice!
It makes you wonder though. The limits of our creative ability are hardly a scratch on the surface of  the myriads of locales. The quests we get sent on are in no way part of our personal creativity. The retrievals are within this class too.
On the personal creative side our thoughts manifest immediately into whatever enters our mind. A simple thought or wish creates it. Whether its a simple item or a completely new locale that stretches into infinity.
We can arrange a biological habitat for almost any life we know of in the physical. Plants may thrive in this but have no idea that this sanctuary is being prepared by a higher intelligence.
If our NPR's are along the same lines then we couldn't comprehend the creative ability of our environments masters. To us its everything to these masters its childs play.
The universal oneness is indeed a strong possibility. We could be part of a program of sorts.

[Wowabox]

Well I don't mean to point out the obviouse here but Frank Kepple talked about focus 4 and how we all evantually join this Kind of energy or serious of conenctions. It is apparently a step above the astral world, Frank went on to say and I've seen other say this that we did infact create ourselves here in the physical. I've never been there though I may have not really explained that well sorry.

[Dreamshards]

Well I don't mean to point out the obviouse here but Frank Kepple talked about focus 4 and how we all evantually join this Kind of energy or serious of conenctions. It is apparently a step above the astral world, Frank went on to say and I've seen other say this that we did infact create ourselves here in the physical. I've never been there though I may have not really explained that well sorry.

Well I hate to point the obvious but because someone else said something were true does not make it true. I am not saying I disagree with this but I have my theory on the universe because of what I have experiences. The same goes for many others.

[uhsumdumboy]

Dude... you need to read My Big TOE! You've hit the nail on the head... in a roundabout fashion. 

This is basically what many come to understand after a lot of exploration. Me included. It runs so deep... that you would need a whole website devoted to it.

Rather than the 'astral' or rather Nonphysical reality being a construct of this reality... it's understood that this reality is a constrained subset of the nonphysical. This reality being the result of the nonphysical.

Whatever is at the top isn't understood nor is probably conceivable by our physical world understanding.

Like I said.. anyone could argue or theorise... so save yourself the time and read My Big TOE by Thomas Campbell. 

Will check it out, I need a new book to read anyway so good timing.

Some interesting replies here, and I thought I just pulled some crazy idea out of my butt lol