Fluttering Eyelids and other quasi-physical action

[Nay]

Yeah, you nailed it when you said you just need to keep training.  I use to get the eye fluttering thing as well..grrrrr, that use to tick me off.[}:)] I still occasionally have my eyes want to open on their own.  Just got to keep it up and hopefully these things will make themselves scarce. []

About your body arching upward, I had that problem too..[] I swear not just saying so.  Everytime I did the rope my body would get tense. I guess the best thing to do for this is when you notice your chest arching, relax once again and continue on.

Sounds like you are doing a great job though, regardless!

I'm sure someone will come along and give some better tips. []
~Nay

[JAW]

Haha, crazy, I was almost too embarrased to mention stuff like my eyes opening. Man thats annoying, theyll just open for some reason, usually when theres stuff going on behind my eyes or I can feel my consciousness changing, but jees, I just think "close dang it!!!" and hope I havent ruined everything. I just clench them tighter now when I feel they might be opening...Dunno if this is a good idea but I dont know what else to try.

Lord and Nay, you both seem to have very similar experiences to myself. I have great trouble with the rope technique too. I get the body tensing up thing and I dont feel like Im moving upwards, but I have had my heart rate increase by doing the technique occasionally. Is this some side effect of visualising "incorrectly"? I must admit my viz technique varies wildly while doing this... Perhaps I keep changing it to try and get the desired technique. Sounds so easy when RB explains it dang it

Echoing what Nay said on the flickering eyes, mine are starting to flicker way less too. It might just be that they start to not get um, surprised or shocked or frightened, you know like if someone goes to poke you in the eye, you clench them Have you ever seen faces or eyes when youre meditating/in trance? I see LOTS of hypno..gog... whatever that word is, images, and sometimes I see almost nothing but faces, lots of them. Tonight I didnt see much but got an extremely clear image of just one guys eye and surrounding facial area... Crazy stuff!

Im interested in the heart viz thing youre talking about though, as the heart beating mega fast is one of the effects Ive noticed the most when I try and project. Also just out of interest whats the laras one? Havent heard of either of these and Ive read RB's books and been around here for a while.

Cheers!

[christian]

Hi! I've got the same problems too. And I didn't thought that someone had same crazy stuffs like this. "chest inflating", this is true !!! Very annoying. You think it is your astral body and finally beyond a point you can't *inflate* more, you're done! This is your physical body! Doh! I have not yet managed to have an OBE successfully but I'm still keep on trying it. We will do it and it will be a nice present !!!

Don't give up!

[Meedan]

I still haven't had an OBE, but I noticed that kind of thing happening to me. I figured out what it was. For me, I was actually tensing my body up myself, not realising that I was physically trying to pull/push myself out. When you feel like you're close to projecting, you want to 'push' yourself out so badly that you unconsciously try to use your muscles to do it. If the idea is to relax, then this is going to stop you from achieving an OBE.

[wendi]

This may be a dumb question, but why do you feel you need to close your eyes when you begin to astral project, Lord of the Bunnies or anyone else?


Criosta an Ri

[JAW]

My guess would be that it kinda links you to the real world just a tad more Also I think if somehow you projected with your eyes open... errr who knows what would happen, youd get double vision??? err actually probably not according to RB's theories... hehe.

I never thought about it that hard, its actually not that dumb a question. Its almost akin to asking why you cant sleep with your eyes open Try and answer. Youd just say "cos you cant sleep with them open"

Cheers.

[LordoftheBunnies]

Although I'm getting better at getting myself into a trance state, whenever I try to project I experience various problems. [] Generally, these problems involve my eyelids flickering.  At times I'll think I'm beginnning to see into the astral, and then realize that its just my eyes opening, at which point I have to close them and it messes up my concentration.  Other times my astral body will being to loosen (such as when I'm doing techniques like rope, heart visualization, and the LaRaS mantra), but my physical body will begin to move as well.  Generally this involves my chest inflating and arching upward.  Is there any way to avoid this?  Do I simply need to keep training?