FoCs, chakras and vibes

[Frank]

Danny:

Done right it shouldn't take you more than about 45 minutes. Individuals vary, of course, but I think trying for a continuous period of more than 45 minutes would start to become self-defeating. Half an hour every day is far better than a marathon 3.5 hour session one day a week.

Some people suggest that this kind of thing is best done at the same time every day, as your body learns to anticipate it and so forth. But in doing that you just end up curve-fitting yourself into a mental box. There's no sense in only being able to do it under some particularly exacting conditions. You want to create a degree of flexibility for yourself.

Generally you will find it easier if the physical is relaxed to start with. The relaxed and slightly dreamy state that comes about after coming awake from a number of hours of sleep is a good state to try in.  

It generally takes me 15 to 30 minutes. Sometimes it can take up to an hour. But if I'm relaxed and in just the right mental frame of mind the switch to F2 from F1 can take just a few minutes.

Yours,
Frank

[Andali27]

Thanks Frank.  That clears a hellavalot up for me.

I tried a mental rundown last night, one I was familiar with though I think I was trying to do too much at once and didn't get anywhere.

At some point though, I ended up in F12, though it was different from the F12 I was used to.  The black space in front of my eyes took on depth and what I was looking at seemed a lot larger than it should have been.  In fact, it had a lot of depth, but from there, I thought too much about it, couldn't concentrate on the rundown and ended up quitting for the night.

That morning, I woke at 5.30am and got up, had a drink, and went back to bed where I tried to go back to sleep.

I ended up thinking about my rundown but found myself in a dream where I was trying to sleep in a bed, in a room I've never been in before but someone came in, I know who but it didn't matter cause I was pretending to be asleep (in my dream), and as soon as they entered I started getting pre exit vibes.  Though it was odd because I had vibes in my dream but they were transferring from the physical, the two kind of layered for a moment and I couldn't get a handle on what was going on though it was quite lucid as I recall trying to wake up and move but kept kind of rising into the air in the dream, not wanting it to happen in the dream and then I managed to wake up and realised I had had vibes in reality.

I rolled over and attempted to go back to sleep, only to realise it was going to happen again so I made myself uncomfortable to stop it.  I didn't want to go RTZ that early in the morning.

From that I ended up in another non lucid dream that transferred to a lucid dream that was unbelievably vivid though I can't recall what it contained.  All I know is that it seemed too real.

With vibes in dreams, I know I could have turned it into an experience but I had no intention to and kept trying to stop it, grabbing at the dream bed while floating away.  That was accompanied with rising and falling feelings and a downward spiralling thing above me somewhere.

Sorry I can't be more specific as I was more focused on stopping it though I want to remember the lucid dream, OMG!!!!  It just came to me!  I did go RTZ!  Holy c*rap, my heart is beating mega fast now.

I was trying to get somewhere in some other wherever, as part of the lucid dream, in a shopping centre I think.  I was trying to fly but I was up near the roof and couldn't go forwards, something was forcing me backwards and I think it was that future wind thing Robert Bruce mentioned in his treatise.  I ended up somewhere and somehow was shooting up into space towards the moon!  Bell, damn it!

~*~*~ cont later.

I spent the whole first period of school freaking out!  My pulse rate was right up and I thought I was shaking a couple of times.

I can't believe it!  It didn't feel like part of the dream and I think somehow I RTZed from my dream!  Into space!  OMG!  It was darker than what I imagined but I never made it to the moon but why the hell was I heading there in the first place?  There was an unbelievable amount of distance I could feel behind me and I was going so fast then obviously lost energy or something and I forgot!  Until I started writing this post sometimes this morning!  I was all giddy and off centre for half the freaking day!

I haven't even made a decision to leave my room so how the hell did this happen?  Gosh, every time I try something new I end up overshooting the mark by light years (pardon the pun).

I don't know if anyone can understand what the hell I'm thinking right now, I did it, and forgot and now the realisation of what I actually did is more than I can handle at one time.

Sorry for the language by the way, I'm kind of shaken but excited at the same time.  Oh man, um, Frank, can you answer the questions I had before I went off on this tangent, how long should it take on average to expand to f2oC?

Sorry for the length, I think I'll take a break from this (focus states and such) for a week.

Andali

[Danny]

Danny:

Done right it shouldn't take you more than about 45 minutes. Individuals vary, of course, but I think trying for a continuous period of more than 45 minutes would start to become self-defeating. Half an hour every day is far better than a marathon 3.5 hour session one day a week.

Some people suggest that this kind of thing is best done at the same time every day, as your body learns to anticipate it and so forth. But in doing that you just end up curve-fitting yourself into a mental box. There's no sense in only being able to do it under some particularly exacting conditions. You want to create a degree of flexibility for yourself.

Generally you will find it easier if the physical is relaxed to start with. The relaxed and slightly dreamy state that comes about after coming awake from a number of hours of sleep is a good state to try in.  

It generally takes me 15 to 30 minutes. Sometimes it can take up to an hour. But if I'm relaxed and in just the right mental frame of mind the switch to F2 from F1 can take just a few minutes.

Yours,
Frank

I agree, I don't want to do it at the same time every day.  Even if it takes me longer initially I want the end result to be that I can do it anywhere/anytime.  Obviously that will take a lot of practice but I really want to do it right.  

My main obstacle is that I'm chronically tired due to some energy/neg related stuff I've been dealing with my whole life, that I just in the last couple of months really understood the scope of what was happening.  With the help of a woman who does energy work I've pretty much taken care of it; I'm mostly just working on recovery now.  

Once I've recovered fully this won't be a problem, but at the present I just want to sleep all the time and that's exactly what tends to happen when I practice phasing.  I'm working through it though and like I said pretty soon it won't be a problem anymore.

Thanks for the info,
Danny  

[Frank]

Andali:

All the primary areas of consciousness are intertwined with each other. So you can easily have an RTZ projection from a dream or even an RTZ projection at the same time as being in a dream. Anyone who really wishes to confuse themselves should phase-shift into all 4 primary areas at the same time. Ha ha ha... a few times I managed to have an F1/F4 overlay. Now that is really freaky, lol.

When you talk about F12 and black space in front of your eyes taking on depth, this is the 3D Blackness at the Monroe focus 21 state. It's just that it does not necessarily have to come about as a profound experience. It usually does the first few times and then you get used to it. But for future reference, if you perceive a 3D Blackness then stop what you are doing and just allow that blackness to unfold and then mentally step into it.

Some people may begin the Noticing exercise, for example, and then after 10 minutes or so they may perceive the 3D Blackness. This may cause questions to arise such as, "Hang on, but I haven't even started my mental rundown yet, how come I'm at the 3D Blackness already?" It doesn't matter. It's just that most people don't find it quite so easy. In which case they have to take an additional step. They create a mental rundown, then step into the scene of that after making "the switch" and then they make the step to the 3D Blackness stage. But if someone can make the transition to the 3D Blackness in one go then so much the better.

At the later stage, when you were pretending to be asleep in the dream you were having and then you got vibrations, this was an F2/F1 overlay experience. In other words, your primary focus was the region of consciousness known as F2 and you were receiving input from your physical, which was F1 being overlaid upon your F2 experience.

People often have experiences they don't remember at the time but they do remember sometime later. This can be a little freaky and I understand your concerns. But next time try and be prepared to just roll with it and see what's offered. The optimum state is to be a passive observer and you release an air of mild curiosity. But I know very well how difficult that is to do in the beginning.

Within the F2 environment if your mind is racing, you tend to zoom off with it too. Like, you'll go shooting off into "space" at a million miles an hour and that kind of thing. Problem is it causes your mind to race even more so you just keep zooming about here and there. Next moment you are back in the physical wondering what the heck happened.

Many times I have had people say to me that they projected for the first time and they got really excited and then suddenly they got hit my this force of energy that caused them to zoom off. They ask me what is this mysterious force that they got hit by, is it a "neg" or something? Nope, it was just the force of their excitement. They released that energy within the F2 environment and whoosh; they zoomed off on their own sense of excitement.

Yours,
Frank

[jilola]

Surely we can think of something more scientific. We can't call it the Void because that's too Dark Age mystical. We could get all poncified and call it The Region of Individual Conscious Hiatus, or the TROICH, lol. (You know how Monroe loved his acronyms.)

Since the area appears to be a neutral perspective to consciousness from which the other areas/focuses can be reached you could take the caleidoscope metaphor a bit further and adopt the term Pivot Area to describe it.The 3D blackness seems to me to be a no-man's land of consciousness much like MT described with the segmented circle with the 3D blackness as the centre.

I think the belief structures and their effect on the perception of the consciousness focus fit the caleidoscopic metaphor nicely. They are what we use to perceive patters in the image and thus interpret the perception in terms of imagery and ideas based on the belief structures.
It's apparent that we experience what we expect to be there instead of what really is there.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Danny]

I'm just learning phasing so maybe I shouldn't be suggesting anything but if you can go anywhere from the 3D blackness, including F1 (physical), should the 3D blackness be called F0 (F-zero)?

Just a suggestion from someone who really isn't qualified to give one yet.

Danny

[Frank]

Hi:

Danny: anyone who has an input regardless of depth of experience should do so, as that's what we are all about here. The concept of F0 is actually a good one. Or at least I think so.

Jouni, I like that in the sense of not so much a pivotal area but a pivotal point. What you said yesterday really got me thinking as regards my computer model idea and your kaleidoscope analogy. There are a few points I want to make on the 3D Blackness and I'm hoping to find a spare hour later to write a short piece and publish to this thread.

Yours,
Frank

[Makaveli]

F2/F1 overlay experience might explain some the odd experiences that I've been having.  It's very strange and hard to explain but sometimes I find myself lying in bed aware of the non-physical and physical things such as discomforts influence the non-physical part of the experience.  I sometimes briefly open my physical eyes during these experiences and then go back.    

As for F2 I'm good at reaching it using the traditional AP but I haven't found my way to F3 or the 3d blackness yet.  I'm starting to realize that my problem is that I get caught up in whatever F2 circumstances I find myself in then experience tends to degrade.

[jilola]

I like that in the sense of not so much a pivotal area but a pivotal point.

"Point" was my first choice word for that but since I had in mind the experience of space I went with area. I guess the 3D is a point which we experience as a space.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Danny]

As someone with no hands on experience the kaleidoscope analogy really helps me grasp the idea of changing focus levels.

Danny

[jilola]

I think the greatest stumbling block is the very term "3D". It immediately conjures up  a physical interpretation. A simple "blackness" or "void" would be better as both are neutral in terms of our usual consciousness.

It is, after all, more like a ground state of consciousness than either a point or even an area. A physics analogue could well be the zero state energy field.
It's the reduced consciousness state that acts as a stepping stone or a pivot to other states, (read focuses of consciousness). The tripod for the telescope.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Andali27]

Hmm, okay, nothing to worry about then.  It was just a bit too much to take in at one time so I kinda tripped out for a while.  Anyway, I've figured out a way to stop those spontaneous projectiosn that seem to plague me so.  Last night I spent about an hour dancing and that tired out my body, not leaving enough energy for anything else to occur.

Anyway, Frank, how do you mentally move into the 3D blackness stage/F0 because I can't get past the edge of it.  Mentally going forwards, I don't get it.

Andali

[TheJza]

I have had a few experiences with the 3D Blackness and I happen to like the name. I like it because there is a noticable difference when it happens - you go from seeing the blackness behind your eyelids, which is 2 dimensional, to something else where it "feels" like it has more depth. It is almost like you are looking at a pitch black room and you aren't able to see anything, then someone turns on a dim light at the far end of the room and, with that, you are able to discern a sense of depth to the room.

I was reading a description by Bruce Moen where he says the feeling of going into the 3D Blackness is roughly the same feeling you get when you are looking at one of those "Magic Eye" stereogram illusions (http://www.magiceye.com/) and it finally "clicks" and you see the 3D image. I bought one of the books and did it and I tend to agree with him that the feeling is similar.

[knightlight]

agreed.  Its simple and fits the model perfectly.

[Frank]

Hmm, F0 won't that just confuse the F1 to F4 Phasing construct? I just had it real neat, LOL. Especially after Monroe and his totally arbitrary numbers.

Look, I just had an idea (everyone dives for cover, he he):

How about taking the "zero" bit of the F-concept, and mixing it with what Jouni said about a Pivot Point? Let's call it P0. Now that would be sweet. So we start from point Zero, or head to point zero. That's quite good I reckon, calling the 3D Blackness Point Zero. So Point Zero becomes an internal reference point from which we phase-shift to other areas of consciousness. Ha ha, I like it already. Even though I realise I'm saying so myself at the minute, lol.

Yours,
Frank

[Frank]

Ha ha ha, I just thought of that as I hit Submit. I thought, oh heck, I'm gonna have to rewrite a whole section, lol.

Seriously, though, I always liked the idea of the 3D Blackness as an internal reference point and it does deserve some kind of label of its own. I never got around to the post I wanted to write on this point tonight as I've been working on my website and got entangled with that.

But what I wanted to say is the 3D Blackness is not a kind of common focus area, as such, it is a part of F2 so it's an individual thing. Everyone has their own 3D Blackness, so to speak. But it does appear to be something we do have in common and, because of the nature of the phenomenon, it is an area of 100% potential. So a start point, a pivot point or a point zero, which describes it perfectly.

So are we saying that Point Zero is the new 3D Blackness then?

Yours,
Frank

PS
Now don't change your minds will you otherwise it'll be another rewrite, lol.

[Andali27]

Sounds like a plan!  
Hey, does anyone else besides me think we're like on the pioneering edge of this?  I mean, now we're naming things like some scientist person would if he discovered a new planet (well, planet X isn't all that original) but we actually have a meaning behind this name and that's what counts!

Teamwork is what it's about people and Point Zero is so cool it makes me laugh, it sounds kinda sci-fi-ish.  Although there's only one problem I see, people would have to get it right as P-0 not, PO as if people start calling it ("sounds like: oh!") instead of zero, than they may think we mean something else, point "p*iss off", P0.  The reason I thought of it was because one of my friends said it, maybe.  I like the name but if we had to think of an alternative, PZ perhaps?

Andali

[Shzarnie]

I asked this before, how do you move "mentally" into F0 because whenever I actually try, I still sit on the edge, watching like in a movie theatre and can't get "into it".  Whats the mental movement/rundown you can conjure up to cause yourself to move forwards without moving physically?

Shzarnie

[redcatherine]

I've explained it all in the new member introductions.  

Welcome Again

1. My base chakra seems not to be doing anything when I try and activate them, what can I do to fix this?

rather than focusing on activation of just the base chakra
i would suggest sitting in meditation and bringing up energy
as a white light
from the soles of your bare feet up your legs and into your pelvis .
and then thru the whole of the chakra column

Do this while you are sitting down
close your eyes
sit uncrossed and breathe deeply cleansingly 3 times
then breathe as you will
and dwell your consciousness in each chakra as you go up
feel
red apples red love hearts red roses red rubies
...all things bright and beautiful that are red .

This is btw a good place to visit but you would not want to live there would you ? It is the sex and food ...the lust and hunger spot ... feed me give me comfort.... now  go away . lol

Go up from there to Orange.... make this chakra glow visually
home comfort monks in orange robes bliss sunsets dawns citrus apricots
you get the idea just sit and breathe and be that colour until you visualise it getting larger bigger shining vibrating fully all thru the rainbow of chakras

The violet chakra is the " i get my kicks above the waistline sunshine and a much nicer place to dwell.  But when you get the energy flowing smoothly thru all your chakral column all of them will vibrate fully .

This is done by :
prayer
dreams and their analysis
astral projection while asleep
conscious projection while awake
healing self and others
teaching writing sharing
sharing energy in spiritual development circles
dedication to meditative practice
conscious development of the energy body .

And, a few days ago, my brow chakra was active all day, it kept tickling me.  I thought I had a hair on my forehead but whenever I went to brush it away, nothing was there.  Why did this happen?

This is your opening to clairsentience .
We develop in a continuum of feel it know it see it hear it .....
So
Go with this
it is a good sign
close eyes and sit in meditation when you feel this feathering
and see if you can learn who is with you
it will prolly be a guide or guardian angel at this stage

2. Does anyone know of a way to get the vibes?  I can't seem to get any at all no matter how hard I try or don't try.

The vibes is a male mojo method that Frank is most expert on.
I see he has given much thought to this thread already .
But you might ask him directly about this question 3
rather than on so many general ones to get his focus back
to the info you want

and read the FAQs search this AP site and  google Robert Monroe

I myself do not spend time vibing up at all
i want to leave the body
so i ignore it
i place it in a comfortable position and go
i prefer to think non physical when i leave
so i slip out by will thru the heart or third eye chakra

this is a yin yang thing .
Men charge and explode out RED
Women intuit and will out INDIGO .

These are the balance of red electric and indigo magnetic . Either is fine just as we can bring energy up from the feet or down from the crown to meditate so we can exit the body in a number of ways too . But a balance is best .

3.  And I don't really understand the f2oC, f3oC, f4oC, what are they, what do they do, and how do you get there?

go out strongly as a male
come in intuitively as a female
seek the balance
learn to see while you project and to know what you are seeing
to concentrate only on energy body is to miss the sights the sounds
it is a way of groping in the darkness and getting the message
at the back of the mind and lower chakras

to go to higher realms go with in but stop at the heart no further down
this is the silver akasha the neutral the blend the balance of yin and yang

to go just up to see is a little airy fairy too
you get the feelings and the bliss but do you get the lesson and the gist
to just go up and go ahhh like a tourist is also not enough

it is the blending of light and sound in love that we seek
the male strength and hunger in the energy body
and the female passion and intuition in the third eye

Shiva teaches there are 3 lines of fire :

moon : goddess path within magnetic intuitive creative cold  flying
sun : god path without  electric destructive hot grounded
fire: in belly of the mystic as kundalini that rises to the heart

and ignites the anu flame of the silver akasha the heart chamber of Balance

13The Other side of the Cone of Consciousness Operation of Ley Lines of Infinity on the Grids and the Tunnels of Eternity

12Universal Mind Focus 34-35 is the locale having group consciousness
---Devic Chambers
---Human made spirit homes Focus 27: Afterlife free will resembling earth---Ashrams of other worlds ie Reptilians beyond the trajectory of Ursa Major

11Window on Edge of Universe
---Entrance to Hells for Students of the Occult
----Plane of Heavens Focus 24,25,26: Belief Territories of Afterlifers
---Human and Spirit cooperative Manifestations of Metaphysical Colleges
---Temples of Wisdom
---Gates of Death Focus 23: "stuck" confused unaware ghosts

10 Plane of Elementals , Devas ,Thrones , the Vortex , Elohim Council
---Human Manifestations ie ashrams of live humans
---Called the Pleaides lies on a trajectory off that star group in Taurus
---Called Sirius lies on a trajectory off this star Focus 21:edge of time/space - contact other energy systems.

9 Blue Lodge of what is called the Arcturians of Sirius

8 Group Monadic Soul - Meeting Higher Self
--Temple of Zodiac and Great Clock Focus 15: State of no time

7 Logoic -Shamballah --Temples of Light
---Ashrams of Chohans Great Pyramid

6 Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek

5 Monadic- work with guides , mahatma , chohans and archangels
-- Astral Hall of Learning – Spiritual King's Chamber over Luxor - Focus 12: A state of expanded awareness

4 Astral Lower Focus 10: Mind Awake/Body Asleep

3 Physical Focus 3: increased mental coherency and balance

2 Totem Earth Wisdom

1 Lower Plane of Chaos and "Hell on Earth "

[Danny]

I like Pzero however we end up typing it.  Not that it really matters if I like it or not, but I like it.

Plus, like Andali27 said, being the result of group effort makes it that much cooler.

Danny

[Scorpyn]

hmm... wouldn't it make more sense to say zero point? Or maybe it's just the swede in me? (it's a lot easier to translate zero point to good swedish than it is to translate point zero)

[Danny]

Actually there is science that's picking up speed dealing with 'Zero Point Energy' and 'Over-Unity' devices that basically involves pulling energy from the consciousness field around us for use in practical applications (do a google search).  I guess it's possible that there is a relationship between this zero-point field and our Pzero.

Just some random info that popped in my head.

Danny

[jilola]

perhaps "conscious singularity" would be better. "Event horizon" conjures up the idea of a place unless one is familiar with the term.

The term Event Horizon describes the boundary where the escape velocity equals the speed of light. The point a particle falls to is the center of gravity but the observable movement appears to stop at the even horizon.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Frank]

I think Andali has a point, forgive the pun, lol, about abbreviating it to P0. I reckon PZ would be a better bet, IMO.

Yours,
Frank

[jilola]

How's Origin grab you? It's the P0 of any coordinate system and fits nicely with the idea of being a pivotal point.


2cents & L&L
jouni