Galamantine/choline

[Astir]

Has anyone tried either of these alone or together to improve lucid dreaming?  I know some might see this as cheating...it is!  I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with these supplements...or the product known as "dream boost".  I am trying them to improve the quality of sleep/memory but read they enhance lucid dreaming and OBE's.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I'm basically desperate for refreshing sleep and lucid dreams are a huge bonus. I've tried various things that make me too tired to function for the entire day.  It's as if I don't achieve REM each night during the work week.

I am also hoping to avoid having intense, psychotic nightmares...so if that is a common side effect I won't bother.

[Rudolph]

I have tried the Sundown vitamins SuperSnooze (melatonin, valerian, hops, skullcap, etc.) a few times and I think it does help make dreaming more vivid. But I keep a dream journal and usually remember at least one dream every night already so it is hard to say for sure.

I do not know anything about galamantine.  If I see it on the vitamin store shelf I might check it out.

[Summerlander]

It does help! By the way, you "think" Rudolph? What kind of scientist were you?

[ange.connell]

Me and my friend who's also on the Pulse both tried Choline after reading a post on here about it but neither of us had any results from it. But, hey, it may work for some not for all. Like the saying goes "suck it and see"

Take care

[nickspry]

Galantamine/choline combo is very effective but only if taken after 4-5 hours sleep. You quickly develop a tolerance for it though (galantamine), so you should only use it once every 3 nights or less.  
If you really want to know what works and what doesn't, I'd recommend reading  Advanced Lucid dreaming:The Power of Supplements by Thomas Yuschak. It's the best book on the subject by a long way (IMO).

[Bellend_1010]

I have been looking into this also about Galantamine.

Does anyone know where there is a company who sells it? I am also looking for one which sells pills of it in more high doses than other companies.  Can anyone suggest some pls? thx.

[nickspry]

What strength are you looking for? And what country are you in?

[Bellend_1010]

What strength are you looking for? And what country are you in?

I in UK and the strongest that there is.

[nickspry]

I in UK and the strongest that there is.

As far as I'm aware you can't get galantamine any stronger than 8mg capsules (I could be wrong about that). You can get Remenyl, which is the synthetic form of galantamine in a stronger dose, but it's prescription only in the UK.
There's a website called ecrater.co.uk which sells 8mg caps of galantamine  (shipped from USA) They are pure galantamine, so choline would need to be added for dream/OBE purposes.

[Bellend_1010]

As far as I'm aware you can't get galantamine any stronger than 8mg capsules (I could be wrong about that). You can get Remenyl, which is the synthetic form of galantamine in a stronger dose, but it's prescription only in the UK.
There's a website called ecrater.co.uk which sells 8mg caps of galantamine. They are pure galantamine, so choline would need to be added for dream/OBE purposes.

I thought Galantamine was the ingredient for lucid dreams?!?!

[nickspry]

Galantamine will help with lucid dreams, astral projection, phasing, OBE. (which are all the same thing in my opinion).
But only if you add choline. I can't vouch for the above site by the way as I've never bought from them, but they seem to be the only source of reasonably priced Galantamine online at the moment.

[Astir]

Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter which promotes dreaming.  Absorbed choline joins acetyl-coA to create acetylcholine within our bodies.  Choline is in many foods we eat, but not enough to work with galantamine.  The choline is basically an activator...


Last night I tried HTP-5 + a well below recommended dose of wild lettuce leaf extract and had a rather long lucid dream (felt like an entire day in length).  That was an effective combo.

[Astir]

Oh and I had to find galantamine online.  It's a bit expensive.

[nickspry]

Oh and I had to find galantamine online.  It's a bit expensive.

It is very expensive, but because you can only use it effectively about twice a week it lasts quite a long time. I agree that 5HTP is also good.

[Astir]

I'm trying it tonight.  Kind of worried I will be tired again tomorrow from beginning to end. I hate being exhausted at work, I make too many mistakes.  I just want to feel refreshed for one morning in my life....usually I do after lucid dreams...but I also only have them on my days off when I am allowed to sleep in.

[Willtheory]

the form of choline taken should be Alpha GPC normal choline does not absorb guys. And there are others than galantamine like piracatam for example. acetycholine is for everything from dreaming, bodybuilding, to alzhiemers and dementia. It is really known as the memory neurotransmitter. But that is too a generalization.

[c0sm0nautt]

Calea Z (dream herb) gave me some very vivid dreams.

[nickspry]

the form of choline taken should be Alpha GPC normal choline does not absorb guys. And there are others than galantamine like piracatam for example. acetycholine is for everything from dreaming, bodybuilding, to alzhiemers and dementia. It is really known as the memory neurotransmitter. But that is too a generalization.

Galantamine works much better than other acetylcholine boosters, because it has a secondary action, which is stimulation of the brains nicotinic receptors. It's this action - as much as the increase in acetylcholine - which seems to cause lucid dreaming. Huperzine for instance, increases acetylcholine levels as efficiently as galantamine, but doesn't have the same effect on dreaming unless you add some nicotine to the mix.
I agree with you that Alpha GPC is the best form of choline, and it can even induce lucid dreams on its own if take in the right dosage.

[nickspry]

Calea Z (dream herb) gave me some very vivid dreams.

I've had  some very trippy dreams with Calea too, but it's never made me lucid.