Galantamine experiment

[T.L.]

In the past few weeks I have had a dry spell when it comes to projections. It's probably due to the weird schedule I keep. I work third shift and get off at 7am sometimes later, I get to bed by 8 - 8:30 then at noon I have to wake up to watch my daughter because my wife leaves for work. So on a good day I may get around 4 hours of sleep and on bad days around 2 hours. It really is a crap schedule but I have to do this so that my daughter wont need a babysitter as I really don't trust my daughter with strangers and my family is states away. Since I have kept this insane schedule I have not had many out of body experiences, still have some but not as many as I used to. Since I have read something from Stephen Laberge about Galantamine I became interested in it, but never thought about it much as at the time had plenty of projections and didn't think I would benefit from it in anyway.

I've read a lot from others who have tried it with great success. I'm not worried about that too much, I'm sure with a small nudge from the galantamine I could get out as long as I get to the familiar states I can force it. Anyway my interest in it lies within its reported ability to sustain precursors to prolong the experience. Some people have reported projections and lucid dreams that seemed to last around an hour (real time). That alone interests me greatly as even if I use techniques to prolong a projection it will usually end around 20 - 30 minutes at the most. With a prolonged state I can probably pull around 50 minutes no problem with my experience.

To have around 50 minutes or so to explore even further really opens the door for me to do some projection experiments I've been wanting to do while out. However when I get out I have no idea how much time I have and the experience ends before I find a viable way to reach my goal, and usually this means not figuring out how to get myself from point A. to point B. especially if we are talking about the real time zone (yeah I have yet to actually teleport myself from point a to point b in the rtz). Anyway obviously I don't feel I need anything for help but I do a lot of experiments with other things to see what could aid an aspiring projector and what is just not practical. So I figured I would order Galantamine in the following dose: 1 Capsule = 4mg Galantamine; 200mg Choline. I do not like the idea of taking the higher 8mg capsules.

I think if Galantamine is going to work, it would work with 4mg. I do have a host of 'chores'/experiments I will perform that have real world value, not monetary but I mean applies to the physical world. I have received the Galantamine today (ordered beginning of last week), but I do have to wait for a day off because it does take some time because I will be using the "wake back to bed" method while using it. I really don't feel I need to but will because it seems to work best this way. This thread is the one I will be adding updates to for these experiments so be sure to check back sometime next week (next day off is monday).

[Cho]

I can't wait for your update!
Thanks

[T.L.]

Well tomorrow (Monday 18th) my wife and I are off together so I'll have the time to try the Galantamine experiment. We have two days off together in a row but as we all know Galantamine has a half life of 48 hours so I'll only have one attempt at this, this week. So hopefully I will have some results to place in this thread, either way I will post what happens. See you then.

[SkepticBoy]

Well tomorrow (Monday 18th) my wife and I are off together so I'll have the time to try the Galantamine experiment. We have two days off together in a row but as we all know Galantamine has a half life of 48 hours so I'll only have one attempt at this, this week. So hopefully I will have some results to place in this thread, either way I will post what happens. See you then.

What do you mean galantamine has a half life of 48 hours? whats a half life pls.

[Xanth]

What do you mean galantamine has a half life of 48 hours? whats a half life pls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_life

Half-life is the period of time it takes for a substance undergoing decay to decrease by half. The name originally was used to describe a characteristic of unstable atoms (radioactive decay), but may apply to any quantity which follows a set-rate decay.

The original term, dating to 1907, was "half-life period", which was later shortened to "half-life" sometime in the early 1950s.[1]

Half-lives are very often used to describe quantities undergoing exponential decay—for example radioactive decay—where the half-life is constant over the whole life of the decay, and is a characteristic unit (a natural unit of scale) for the exponential decay equation. However, a half-life can also be defined for non-exponential decay processes, although in these cases the half-life varies throughout the decay process. For a general introduction and description of exponential decay, see the article exponential decay. For a general introduction and description of non-exponential decay, see the article rate law.

The converse of half-life is doubling time.

The table at right shows the reduction of a quantity in terms of the number of half-lives elapsed.

Hope that helps. 

[CFTraveler]

Or to put it in cruder terms, you'll have peed out half the galantamine in 48 hours.

[horaciocs]

Do you have any medical indications for using Galantamine? I'm not familiar with it, you'll want to be careful. Messing with neurotransmitters is always a bad idea, unless there is specific medical indication.

I don't mean to put you off using it, I just hope you're careful with it. Look out for mood changes, headaches, confusion, sleep disorders, and any other mental function alterations. If you present any of those, then I would advise you to cut it off.

It takes hard work to dominate your mind so that it does exactly what you want it to. I'm far, far away from doing so, but I must say that using medicine is an edgy route.


Anyway, I hope you have a good experience! Let us know what happens!

[Xanth]

Or to put it in cruder terms, you'll have peed out half the galantamine in 48 hours.

That deserves a Karma point. 

[T.L.]

July 19, 2010

Waited until I was actually tired before I laid down, which was at 4:30 Am. I set my alarm for 7:30 Am. I got up smoked a cigarette, and took the galantamine pill with a full glass of water (4mg Galantamine, 200mg Choline).  I went upstairs and laid down. At first it was easy to relax as normal, but within about 10 minutes I started to feel this enormous pressure building up in my head... but not uncomfortable or anything just something that caught my attention. Around this time I could actually feel the vibrations wanting to surge even while rolling around trying to get comfortable in bed. Normally I end up laying on my side to try and project but I ended up on my stomach, it's the position I use to sleep but I started to feel more and more energetic so I picked that position as I can relax easier that way. Anyway about 15 minutes into it the vibrations hit full force, and I still rolled around a few more times (except in retrospect I realize at this time I was out of the body and rolling around, thinking I was still in the physical body but with eyes closed).

The first thing that caught my attention was this blue dot that grew more clearer and clearer. It went away after a few seconds. Then I noticed this fissure like crack that appeared with light pouring out of it, like I was staring out a large crack outside from a very dark room. I started to float upward toward it. I looked back and recognized the bed as not mine, and my body was not in it. I knew at this point I was in very lucid dream, but not an obe for sure. I believe if I was of realized I was obe when I was rolling around I would of maintained a nice out of body state. I think by forcing myself to lay there even while I was really obe I forced myself into a waking dream state some how, like a 'mental projection'. Anyway I floated up and out (through the fissure) into a neighborhood I recognized as a childhood neighborhood I lived in but a hybrid of that one and another one.

Anyway I estimate the time the pill kicked in when I had the vibrations and visuals kicked in was around 7:45 - 7:50, almost around 20 minutes. Anyway I ended up like trapped/locked into this conscious dream world. Try as I might I could not escape it and force a real projection (which I think is a fate I doomed myself into by being obe and laying there in bed regardless thinking I was in the physical). I could roam around at will and create things as in any normal lucid dream, but I could not fade the dream out and start a projection as I normally can if I find myself in a lucid dream. Now I know why people like Stephen Laberge believe obe's are just lucid dreams. If I wasn't so experienced in the out of body state I might of come to the same conclusion if I had a lot of experiences such as this one. I knew immediately I was in a dream world, but I could do nothing about it, I couldn't even sit up to break the dream even though I was 110% conscious.  I believe this is sort of what a coma patient might experience. I believe with more control, I would have been able to use the galantamine to experience prolong obe state, but I was seriously trapped into one of the most amazing lucid dreams I've ever had. Get this so I start the experience around 7:45Am I finally managed to snap myself out of it at 9:40 or so almost 2 full hours of hallucinitory fun heh. It's a shame I didnt realize I was out of the body when I was, but even the lucid dream I had was fun. Galantamine really does work, but it's strong and I am not sure if the control I am used to having exists with this stuff in your system.... very powerful.

[nickspry]

It is strong stuff. I had some amazing long lucid dreams while using it, but also nightmares like you wouldn't believe - incredibly real and quite terrifying actually. For me it was almost like a powerfull hallucinogenic drug for the dreamstate, (if that makes any sense) which could produce a good or bad "trip". That put me off using it, though I may try it again sometime.

[Messenger]

The drugs that many use induce a weakened physical state and allow for events that the physical mind has trouble deciphering. To quest in this direction can jeopardize your soul if the direction is not towards God. There are many spirits about and all have free will. To include the free will to manipulate the mind of human ants. You are told of this so be warned and be careful in your endeavors. To induce such experiences through drug use is not of God and points to the inequities of man in the time of Noah.

[kurtykurt42]

To induce such experiences through drug use is not of God and points to the inequities of man in the time of Noah.

Oh yea... Did God tell you that himself? 

[Messenger]

As the time of Christ's second appearing draws near, the Lord sends his servants with a warning message to the world to prepare for that great event. As the world has been living in transgression of the law of God, in mercy he sends a message of warning to arouse their attention and hold before them the law of God as a mirror into which they can look and discover the defects in their moral character. If they will at once make earnest efforts to remedy these defects, by repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, they will be pardoned through the merits of his blood, for this is the only hope of the transgressor of the law of God. But as in the days of Noah, there is with the majority a total disbelief of the testimony God has in mercy sent to warn the world of her coming destruction.

[kurtykurt42]

I just got a bad flashback of when I use to go to catholic grade school... 

I would love to meet Jesus on the astral / higher planes... He seems like a nice enough fella!

[joel1212]

As the time of Christ's second appearing draws near, the Lord sends his servants with a warning message to the world to prepare for that great event. As the world has been living in transgression of the law of God, in mercy he sends a message of warning to arouse their attention and hold before them the law of God as a mirror into which they can look and discover the defects in their moral character. If they will at once make earnest efforts to remedy these defects, by repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, they will be pardoned through the merits of his blood, for this is the only hope of the transgressor of the law of God. But as in the days of Noah, there is with the majority a total disbelief of the testimony God has in mercy sent to warn the world of her coming destruction.

he ha. 

[T.L.]

To induce such experiences through drug use is not of God and points to the inequities of man in the time of Noah.

That is what I've been told about out of body experiences and astral projection. Actually there is a family friend of my parents that says it goes against religion/god to do what I do (projection). Whereas I look at religion as going against intelligence. Take that however you want. Religion to me defies common sense and logic. For me once I had my first few out of body experiences I really looked hard to see how it would fit into what we call 'reality'. How was it possible for something such as this to happen..etc. Once I knew first hand it was a real thing I could take a step back and think about it. It (obe/projection) really does fit neatly into the puzzle (big picture). The whole thing really is quite elegant. The whole thing is almost like a big joke but without a punch line. Anyway back to the subject at hand. I see all these people saying to 'not use drugs'..etc. Look no offense I can project and don't need help with it, been at it for a while now and practiced to do so twice as long as I have been able to accomplish it.

However, I do like to test all methods some say work for projection, that way I can pass that knowledge off to those who need help once I find out first hand what methods (external) work and what does not. Galantamine is something I have been reading about since 2006, and I know all of it's side effects. Can it be harmful yes, some have even had blockages in their heart because of it. However you have to understand that these people were also prescribed it in very large doses when compared to 4mg. When Galantamine is prescribed the dose is many x's higher and it is also given in higher and higher doses the longer the person has been on it (working up the dose). Not only that but note these people also took it for a while and every day as well. Also something like this happening is very unlikely if you are not predisposed to such a problem. So in reality taking one 4mg dose of galantamine once a week or even a few times a week will not hurt you unless you have some health issues. That aside, I don't take offense to anything anyone said.

Anyway regardless I try things out suggested by others to see if they really work or not, and there really is potential for Galantamine but you do have to have some sort of control or you will end up in a lucid dream like I did. Not only did I end up in the lucid dream but I could do nothing to dissolve the dream or end it. Like I was dropped off into a city and it is closed off from the rest of the world. Contrary to what people like Stephen Laberge and the guy from "lucidology" says Lucid dreams and Out of body experiences are not one in the same. There are many similarities and they might even occur within the same brainwave state (at times) but they are not the same exact thing, and I say this from my own experiences. Anyway I see a lot of potential for Galantamine for those who have tried for years to have an out of body experience or even just a lucid dream. If a person has tried everything for years (including taking time off from attempting) then they could take Galantamine with the wake back to bed method once a week.

That way they could get the feel for the out of body state, including the pre-obe states so later they will be able to navigate them without help later more easily. Once I had my first few out of body experiences it became easier and easier to navigate to the out of body state, not only that I knew what symptoms to expect and which pre-cursors to watch out for so that I would know how far away I was from an obe. Galantamine could be of help for a person to attain their first few out of body experiences. I would not suggest using it permanently as there could be adverse health affects for people who take it on a regular basis.

[CFTraveler]

As the time of Christ's second appearing draws near, the Lord sends his servants with a warning message to the world to prepare for that great event. As the world has been living in transgression of the law of God,

Which law?  Because the world has always lived in transgression of a number of laws, depending on the region and the religion.  Just like eating meat in some places can be considered 'transgression', enforcing morality (like 'morality killings' in some regions of the middle east) can be considered a transgression in the eyes of God, if you believe that God has a set of rules that he believes people have to follow.
However, the one I consider most important is the one Jesus said- Jesus' new commandment- to love God and to love your neighbor/enemy.  If taken at face value, this commandment indicates God only wants us to be happy and in peace.

in mercy he sends a message of warning to arouse their attention and hold before them the law of God as a mirror into which they can look and discover the defects in their moral character. If they will at once make earnest efforts to remedy these defects, by repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, they will be pardoned through the merits of his blood, for this is the only hope of the transgressor of the law of God.

And here is where I have the problem- you say God is merciful but then give a very narrow avenue of 'redemption', describing God not as merciful as the next person.  This is contradictory.  Unless the conditions are wrong, of course.  Maybe God just wants us to be happy and loving because that's the way to be happy-by being loving- and conditions are simply man made.

But as in the days of Noah, there is with the majority a total disbelief of the testimony God has in mercy sent to warn the world of her coming destruction.

Because the 'messenger' in this case is speaking in doublespeak- 'mercy' on one hand and 'conditions' in another.  This is obviously not the word if God, but the word of man who secretly delights in seeing suffering, especially the suffering of those who don't live how that man wants to.  All about power.  Obey what I say or God will forsake you.  Really?  The God I believe in, that Jesus talked about, is My Father, who never never will forsake me.

[T.L.]

I plan on doing another galantamine experiment on Sunday (24th).  Which will make it a full four days since the last experiment, this is also about the amount of time needed for someone to fully flush out galantamine from their system. Anyway I would give it more time in between experiments but I am working the next two weeks straight without any days off. My wife is going to be off sunday so it's a perfect opportunity and I wont have to worry about losing sleep (with the wbtb method) since my wife will be home. This time around I know what to expect so hopefully I can assert control from the very start so I dont end up lapsing and becoming trapped in a lucid dream like last time. I believe once I get out, and realize Im out I will be able to maintain it for a pretty fair amount of time. I also want to see if perhaps the first time was a fluke, or beginners luck (regarding the Galantamine). Check back sometime on Sunday, I'll post results immediately.

[T.L.]

Well the funniest thing happened. I set my alarm for 3 hours when I laid down to sleep. Within an hour or maybe less of laying there trying to sleep the vibrations swept in and I was able to exit. I sunk through the bedroom floor into my living room. I seen my daughter and her friend (both 2) playing in the living room. My wife and her friend was not there. I turned to the kitchen and walked towards it, my wife and her friend were in the kitchen. I seen my wife's friend pick up the Galantamine pill bottle and say something like huh? I screamed at her to put them down, not out of anger but out of curiosity to see if it would affect her, it didn't not even hesitation or a flinch. Then my wife got a cigarette from the pack and the lighter and walked towards the door to go outside.

I followed them out and as my were walking out with me behind her friend asks so what are up with those pills? We were now outside, glass door closed but main door open (so she could watch my daughter while outside smoking). My wife says oh Travis does out of body experiences, and he has been trying these to see if they will cause them or something like that. Then she says he will sleep for 3 hours and then wake up, take one and lay back down and try to have an out of body experience. Her friend then says "so they cause him to trip like LSD? You know Travis would get along great with my ex husband Ben, they are exactly alike" I was kind of in shock thinking thats not even close, like you can buy LSD in the form of a pill legally heh. Anyway I thought now would be a good time to end the experience and set her straight. I held the intention of sitting up in the physical and came to my body already sitting up.

I jumped out of bed headed downstairs, went into the kitchen grabbed a cigarette and joined them outside. Then her friend turns towards me as I light a cigarette and says "you would get alone well with Ben" I looked at her and said "Why because we both like to trip on LSD?" Her jaw just dropped and was like you were listening the entire time? I just smiled. With her lack of understanding she said something along the lines of "did your ear have an out of body experience" as a joke... I was just like whatever. There was more to this though, and it was as if both my wife and her friend was poking fun at me about it. No matter what my wife is afraid of death, so I dont tell her about all my experiences. I tried to tell her some verifications but theres no point because it's almost meaningless to another unless they too have had out of body experiences.

Otherwise it's always something else maybe the person is simply lying, maybe they were sneaking around physically listening and pretending to have an experience, maybe the person is just mistaking a dream for something more...etc I'm intelligent enough to know the difference and my wife knows this about me obviously, she seen all my academic acknowledgments and knows I'm a member of High IQ groups and societies. Her stance is everyone can believe what they want..etc but I can't get through to her the difference between belief - faith - and first hand experience. I challenge her to try, but either it's she has no interest or does not want me to bring it up because of the similarities to death (which is her major fear in life). So when it comes to obe's I either keep them to myself, or talk about them to a personal friend who completely knows my experiences are real. My parents understand as well especially my mother as my great aunt and uncle always had out of body experiences. Anyway apologies for going off on a rant here... In short no Galantamine experiment was really held as I had an OBE during attempting to do the WBTB method. So next chance will be next week to perform another experiment with Galantamine.  

[nickspry]

Sounds like a great example of a RTZ verification. In fact that account reminds me a lot of Robert Monroes verifications. I've not been able to verify my experiences yet and although I 've tried and come very close, it's not been enough to prove it beyond doubt.  To prove (if only to yourself) that astral projection is more than just a product of the brain must be quite a profound realization.
It seems ironic that your wifes fear of death is preventing her from looking at the very thing which could remove the fear, ie: verifcation that our consciousness can exist outside the physical body, and death is really nothing to worry about.

[T.L.]

To prove (if only to yourself) that astral projection is more than just a product of the brain must be quite a profound realization.

It is, I proved it to myself a long time ago. It's just hard to replicate such a thing on demand, that's the main problem. What I mean is I dont always end up in the real time zone sometimes I am completely propelled elsewhere to places that could not possibly exist in reality. One instance is a city that was built like a large column, instead of being spread out it was built vertically. It seemed to be built to work with nature rather than being 'technologically advanced' it was more advanced in a way that worked with nature instead of relying on electronic means to be self sustained. Another place seemed to be made entirely of crystal or glass... like a city the light reflected quite brilliantly off the crystal structures and manufactured water falls that were just about everywhere. When I flew between some of these buildings the radiation/light reflected off one another creating a nice illusion with light I could only compare with places two mirrors facing each other creating a mirror within a mirror withing a mirror...etc to infinity but with radiation/light. These are just two examples, usually when I end up in the real time zone I can tell immediately because of the nature of the other places I end up when I dont end up in the here and now. This excludes the few examples however of when I ended up in different times. Didn't mean to go off on a rant there, but personal verification is nice to have. Once you know you are correct in that it is real beyond a doubt for yourself, you can then begin to move onto the question of 'so what do I do about it' or 'where do I go from here'. Good luck.

[lee46]

I tried galantamine last night, it didn't work though, I still need more practice, so far all I got was a brief moment of LD about going out of the body (wasn't real though) and then lost consciousness. The reason I tried this is because I'm a very deep sleeper (thought that would help for a "light" sleep) and in the mornings I've tried, but once I wake up I get physically aware and is hard for me to get to the mind awake body asleep.

Last night I must tell you I had only slept for about 4 hours when taking the galantamine, do I need more hours of sleep before taking it? I'll wait until next weekend or in about to weeks to get more practice and see what happens with it, I like trying experiments as well.

[T.L.]

No, when I do it I sleep for 3 hours first. Then I take it and make sure I lay down quickly (usually within 10-15 minutes of waking up). You do not want to sleep too long before hand or you wont be able to lay down and relax because you'll be too rested. 3 hours is perfect because usually you would have already hit the deep sleep stage. Also you do not want to stay up too long after the 3 hour sleep because then you would have lost the benefits of the 3 hour sleep. If I follow this to a T with Galantamine it always works. So far I've only down it a handful of times, but each time I succeed. Just make sure that you do not do it more than once or twice a week or you will build up an immunity to it. If I do it I make sure that I leave four days in between each time I do it because it takes around four days for it to wear out of your system. Also make sure you do not become dependent on it to succeed. I advocate people who haven't succeeded yet to do it because once you get the feel for obe's it is easier to achieve them. I just bought it to see if it works, then when asked for help I could suggest something even new people could succeed with. Now that I spent the 30 dollars for them, Im not going to waste them so I do it every so often. Good luck.

[Fourthdimension]

Hi i remember about a year ago i was talking about stuff like galanamine and stuff that will help me projected but when i researched galanamine i got told that it is illegal to buy without prescription in my country which is england.

is it still possible for me to get my owns on it?

also at stores there is stuff mixed with galnatamine likes of galantamine-(another chemicals name)
does and will it give me the same effect as the substace alone

thanks for help

[lee46]

Also you do not want to stay up too long after the 3 hour sleep because then you would have lost the benefits of the 3 hour sleep..

Yes I did make that mistake, I got up to the bathroom and smoke half cigarette then took the galantamine and went back to sleep, I wont do that next time and yes I am aware that it takes days for the body to get rid off so I won't be doing it more than once a week.

Hi i remember about a year ago i was talking about stuff like galanamine and stuff that will help me projected but when i researched galanamine i got told that it is illegal to buy without prescription in my country which is england.

is it still possible for me to get my owns on it?

also at stores there is stuff mixed with galnatamine likes of galantamine-(another chemicals name)
does and will it give me the same effect as the substace alone

thanks for help

Yes it is supposed to be sold only with prescription, well at least here in mexico too, but I got lucky they didn't ask for it lol! even the package says that.

At the beginning of this post (sort of) TL mentions that there's one mixed (galantamine-choline, which is better than just galantamine alone) in GNC, I went looking for it at GNC, but as they don't bring the same products they sell in the USA and the only one they've got is choline mixed with something else (not galantamine), I can't remember right now what was it.