ganzfeld technique good for phasing?

[equin]

So I read about the ganzfeld technique and got thinking maybe this could have some potential when trying to phase into the astral although the difference is your eyes would be open and not closed. It seems good as your in a meditative trance and are deeply drawn into hallucination type images your mind creates due to the isolation.

Anyone think this has potential? anyone tried it?

[proyect_outzone]

The main diffrence is, that problems with automatically opening eyes are solved by this techniqe. If you got such, it is recommended to try it out.

More important than the eyes is the removal of disturbing noises and the reduction of all other kinds of perceptions of the physical body. Less incoming perceptions means higher chance of success. But it does not work continoulsy during dayly or too frequent application. The highest effect is during the first weeks of frequent application. Then the effect fades more and more! (Is, what i observed during my experiments with perception reduction)

[equin]

The main diffrence is, that problems with automatically opening eyes are solved by this techniqe. If you got such, it is recommended to try it out.

More important than the eyes is the removal of disturbing noises and the reduction of all other kinds of perceptions of the physical body. Less incoming perceptions means higher chance of success. But it does not work continoulsy during dayly or too frequent application. The highest effect is during the first weeks of frequent application. Then the effect fades more and more! (Is, what i observed during my experiments with perception reduction)

did you try it? using ganzfeld?

[Astralzombie]

I just wanted to throw something out there. Proyect_Outzone wrote a book and has a link to it in the Writer's Corner forum.

It is very informative and highly detailed. I'm not positive but I believe he mentioned the Ganzfeld effect.

[Lionheart]

 I have used the Ganzfeld effect and have had great success with it.

It was one of the things that indirectly led me to my Laxman Light/Sound Machine purchase.

I had seen the Laxman while Phasing and while searching for info on the concept, I came across the Ganzfeld Efect and decided to give it a try.

I know that David Warner has tried it as well. He has a thread somewhere on the Astral Pulse talking about his experience with it.

Just do a search on "Ganzfeld Effect" in the upper right hand corner Search Engine.

Here is what Wikipedia has to say about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment

Just remember though, this is just another "tool" and you will find that you will outgrow it, just like you outgrow "Training Wheels" on a bicycle.

[equin]

I have used the Ganzfeld effect and have had great success with it.

It was one of the things that indirectly led me to my Laxman Light/Sound Machine purchase.

I had seen the Laxman while Phasing and while searching for info on the concept, I came across the Ganzfeld Efect and decided to give it a try.

I know that David Warner has tried it as well. He has a thread somewhere on the Astral Pulse talking about his experience with it.

Just do a search on "Ganzfeld Effect" in the upper right hand corner Search Engine.

Here is what Wikipedia has to say about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment

Just remember though, this is just another "tool" and you will find that you will outgrow it, just like you outgrow "Training Wheels" on a bicycle.

please give me info on how it was helpful for you? how did it work? please describe your experience projecting using it. Thanks.

[Lionheart]

 It was helpful because it was a great technique to learn Focus with.

I didn't use it as a "Psychic Test" as they did with the original purpose.

I used Binaural Beats for sound, put the egg shell over my eyes and then turned on a Lava Lamp.

This was basically a poor man's version of a Light/Sound Machine, but it worked.

I had Hypnogogic Imagery and the colors produced by the Lava Lamp. through the egg shells were taking on their own unique shapes.

Like I said, it was a tool, but it was a unique experience in itself.

Here is page with more conversations on this topic.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?action=search2

[equin]

It was helpful because it was a great technique to learn Focus with.

I didn't use it as a "Psychic Test" as they did with the original purpose.

I used Binaural Beats for sound, put the egg shell over my eyes and then turned on a Lava Lamp.

This was basically a poor man's version of a Light/Sound Machine, but it worked.

I had Hypnogogic Imagery and the colors produced by the Lava Lamp. through the egg shells were taking on their own unique shapes.

Like I said, it was a tool, but it was a unique experience in itself.

Here is page with more conversations on this topic.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?action=search2

Can you please be more specific. I am trying to find out if this really works and if you can eventually project this way with your eyes open. When I click that link also it just goes to the search bar.

Please tell me how you projected from the GT.

[Lionheart]

 My experience has nothing to do with what you will see.

If you are truly interested in this, it's time to cut some egg shells and try it.

You can then go to youtube.com and find some free Binaural Beats that you can listen to with your headphones.

It worked for me, possibly it won't for you. But YOU are the only one that can find that out!

We have a huge Forum here that has many different techniques in the Stickies and many threads that people have created over the many years.

...and yet, we still get the same questions, with people asking us about OUR experiences.

If you wish to see our own personal progress, you can read anyone here's profile, which has every post they ever made here, from the very first time they made an account here, until today. There you will be able to see their own progression. What they tried that works and what they learned through the years. A great one to start with is Frank Kepple's.

It's time for action now. My experiences are just that, my experiences.

We all help people here learn to AP, but then it's up to them to apply it.

No technique or method is a waste of time, if you learned from it. Sometimes what you learned is that it doesn't work for you.

Well then, on to the next one! 

[equin]

My experience has nothing to do with what you will see.

If you are truly interested in this, it's time to cut some egg shells and try it.

You can then go to youtube.com and find some free Binaural Beats that you can listen to with your headphones.

It worked for me, possibly it won't for you. But YOU are the only one that can find that out!

We have a huge Forum here that has many different techniques in the Stickies and many threads that people have created over the many years.

...and yet, we still get the same questions, with people asking us about OUR experiences.

If you wish to see our own personal progress, you can read anyone here's profile, which has every post they ever made here, from the very first time they made an account here, until today. There you will be able to see their own progression. What they tried that works and what they learned through the years. A great one to start with is Frank Kepple's.

It's time for action now. My experiences are just that, my experiences.

We all help people here learn to AP, but then it's up to them to apply it.

No technique or method is a waste of time, if you learned from it. Sometimes what you learned is that it doesn't work for you.

Well then, on to the next one! 

Ty for that but I STILL need you to tell me how you were able to "phase" into the ganzfeld field. It IS possible to do this with your eyes open right? I am not wanting to hear about your experience as much as wanting to know what effects happened as you projected using the ganzfeld effect. Were you just staring at the whiteness then it became more real and you found yourself moving in towards it? how did it get you into the astral please. I NEED this info so I can get a rough idea on what to expect if I am successful.

Also I think static noise rather than binaural beats would be more beneficial as the whole point of the ganzfeld technique is to stave the brain of information.

[Xanth]

You can, literally, use anything that focuses you away from this physical reality enough.

Anything will do.  *ANYTHING*

[Bedeekin]

Apart from a spoon.

[Astralzombie]

Apart from a spoon.

If that spoon weighed 50 kilos and fell from the sky and was to hit you on the head, I think it would make an excellent tool for experiencing the NPR.

[equin]

I just hope astral projection works with your eyes open is all.

[Lionheart]

I just hope astral projection works with your eyes open is all.

Why? Are you afraid to close them? If you are you won't get far with this.

Try to learn how to AP the easy way, before you take on a more difficult task like this. I can't say the "right" way, because there really is no "right" way.

Like Xanth says, whatever it takes you to achieve a non physical focus will work.

[equin]

Why? Are you afraid to close them? If you are you won't get far with this.

Try to learn how to AP the easy way, before you take on a more difficult task like this. I can't say the "right" way, because there really is no "right" way.

Like Xanth says, whatever it takes you to achieve a non physical focus will work.

Am I afraid to close them? no! most AP techniques you would but with the ganzfeld technique you NEED your eyes open or the effect is pretty much ineffective. The Q I had is can it eventually work with your eyes open? a simple yes or no from you would be fine please.

[Xanth]

Am I afraid to close them? no! most AP techniques you would but with the ganzfeld technique you NEED your eyes open or the effect is pretty much ineffective. The Q I had is can it eventually work with your eyes open? a simple yes or no from you would be fine please.

Only because your eyes are already in total darkness.
The same will work if you use a sleepmask of some kind.

Anything that blocks out the light.

But yes, you can project with your eyes open... is a beginner going to be able to do it?  Probably not.
You haven't learned how to ignore your physical reality enough yet.  This comes with a long time of meditation practice. 
I've been meditating for over 15 years now and I know I couldn't do it.

[Astralzombie]

I understand that you are curious and we're glad that you are asking questions.

There's nothing wrong with trying to learn a couple of different methods but the Ganzfeld method really isn't one that a beginner will have much success in. It's certainly possible but like Lionheart said, it is better to learn how to tune out or away from the physical reality first.

Beginners get themselves in a bind because they are trying to learn a lot of different practices, like meditating, energy work with the chakras, and a whole list of metaphysics.

One should really focus on meditating because that is the master key that unlocks everything. 

[Xanth]

Apart from a spoon.

You could actually use a spoon!
Just sit there and focus on it to the exclusion of everything else.
Watch your reality melt away around you... it can and does work. 

[Bedeekin]

The moment I posted that I KNEW you would turn it around. It also reminded me of the Matrix; "there is no spoon"

I should have said

A chainsaw in your mouth.

We phase out very naturally with our eyes open... it's called day dreaming... its just a lot more difficult to do voluntarily.