GO AWAY DAMN YOU! *Help

[Thing]

Hehe, nice post, why don't you talk to those guys ? tell them what you think\want and maybe they will do it.

[TruthSeeker]

I have experienced the same thing Psi, but I do not know what they are. Perhaps they are some ego, or perhaps they are astral beings. However when it comes to getting rid of them, one thing has helped tremendously. Every time before I try having and OBE, I ask God and all good creatures of love for help. I also create a shield around me, which I blow around the whole house. This shield has a purpose of blocking "entities who wish me, or my family any harm", and to cast out those who allready are inside it. I do not believe fully in all these things. To me, negs with a reason or personality(whatever degree) is far beyond what I have learnt here on earth, so I stay sceptic. But however as I said: It works [|)]

Sincerely,
TruthSeeker

[Thing]

You ask god ? what do you mean with that ? aren't you being too imaginative ? a shield...

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I think it might be a good idea to figure out what they are before you go trying to get rid of them. Are you sure they aren't spirit guides? Maybe they are trying to help you out of your body. When you said they usually go away when you ask them, it seems unlikely to me that they would be trying to cause you harm or discomfort.
Search for methods of contacting spirit guides (go to google.com and search for 'spirit guides') and see if you have any success. Of course, just a few attempts might not turn up any results; for some people it takes years to reach a connection with their guides. It's worth a shot though, if you believe they exist.
I really don't know much about it though. It's just a though.

[Ides315]

Hey, Psi

DOwnload a copy of RB's counter measures and wards from this website. What truthseeker said works pretty good. There are a lot of things you can do. There is an old thread in the self defense area titled "why not just shield?" Read through it. You will not block out any guides, or anything that you need to learn. Two basic thoughts that work pretty good are "You have no power over me", and the other one is not to let anything into your aura (energy body) without your personal conscious consent. If things get pushy, asking for Arch Angel Michaels help works very good. Move down to the self defense area for more specific help.

Best to all

[Mirador]

Psi,

No need to read any further, I learned very early in my 'career' that the best way to ward off or shoo away those pesky impertinent presences is to strip butt naked, better yet, pour some water over yourself. I would let other fellow Astralpulsers who are not as scientifically and technically challenged as myself to come forward with an explanation.

Mirador

[KP]

Sounds like fun!  Why so keen to get rid of them?  Could get interesting

[Thing]

But he says that he is getting tired of them... they are everywhere even when he doesn't project.

[RandomName]

How many people here have discovered they have more than 1 spirit guide? I have 1 as far as I know, and its a being that not many of you would like. But thats another story, its a good creature with good intentions, but it scares the bejebus out of me to look at it in detail. Ill try the counter-measures and see if that works. I have no idea why, but I get a funny feeling either A.Im somehow subconciously attracting these people/creatures or B.Im giving off energy that they like to feed on.

I have a weird problem that once a chakra is stimulated it will continue to pulse until I take a nap. of course it is pleasent but then it becomes annoying. As for the shivers, im not cold at all when they come on, they just happen, similar to hair standing on the back of your neck for no reason, except there is no fear or cold air to cause it :-/

[RandomName]

P.S. To Thing, I use to use the shield method until I found its more effective to push them away with an unbearable energetic wind. I have always felt entitys able to push past that shield, its the same thing as dark matter in someones aura causing them pain, it simply will NOT go away. I have had the wind idea fail on me on 1 occasion, and that was when I found that a person around me had cancer. I know that the wind is very annoying because I have been nabbed by astral wind and it REALLY ticked me off, so I wouldn't wish that same general thing on anyone, just the same as I would never wish a shot to the beanbag on my worst enemy, its JUST WRONG.

As before, thanks for the help, and keep the ideas flowin.

[finn]

I have experienced the same feelings. First it started only when I was trying to meditate. There were times when I "felt" a presence around me. I would call out to it but would get no respnse. Only a more intense feeling of "something" and the hair on my neck would start to rise increasing my shivers, which I could feel along the length of my body. Later I began to get these feelings even when not in meditation, mostly when I am walking about outdoors. Like you, if I say "go away, leave me alone right now" the shivers stop.

Sometimes I see shapes dart by in the corner of my eyes as well.  I remember when I was very young telling my parents I was playing with my shadow, and other times playing hide and seek with tthese entities, and when I would get the shivers, then I would run and hide again, waiting for them to find me. Now that I am older, I dont have time to be as carefree as that anymore LOL, and I dont thinkk they are bad, just annoying.

The most intense experience was a year ago, I was reading a book about history of ireland. I "felt" a presence around me and I turned around in my chair to look behind me, I did not see anything there but defeinitely "felt" something there. As I turned around and looked at the place where I thought I felt something, the phone cord was gently swinging back and forth like something had brushed against it. I have yet to explain it......

This may sound silly but I went through a very rough breakup with a recent girtlfriend last year (this was my first serious ralationship, lasting two years and I still had feelings for her but she didnt for me), and I felt very alone (I had plenty of friends for moral support, but when you feel alone, you feel alone no matter how many friends you have). I actually took the feelings of the entities as a form of comfort during that time and I didnt feel so alone.

I dont have any specific advise for you, only my own experiences. I found that If I acknowledge the presence, rather than be annoyed or ask it to go away, results are better. I wouldnt shield them,  I dont think they are bad since they go away when asked, and you might have better luck in finding out what their intentions are than I.  

hope some of this helps you,

[MAYATNIK]

Hi Everyone,
I found what Thing commented, regarding Psi's 'problem' wryly amusing, where he said "But he says that he is getting tired of them... they are everywhere even when he doesn't project" – on the surface it was an amusing comment, because it reminded me of more than a few people who have said, "I just placed an ad in the paper, and I'm absolutely flooded out with phone calls for weeks after".  But, reading beyond the surface, in what Thing said there is a profound statement.

Although a plethora of books have been written on the subject of Astral Communication – and on psychic defence against 'unwanted' callers – it boils down to one very simple fact:  When a person attempts to reach out, in whatever way, to the Astral planes they are putting out what my guide terms the 'call'; an invitation, in other words.  It is just like when you go on to an Instant Messenger service – just by clicking, and being there, you are inviting any person to communicate with you.  You have made that decision to be available.  Even so, it is not guaranteed that you WILL attract others to want to communicate with you; some depends on the 'profile' you've made public, and also on your attitude when others contact you.  So, having decided you want to communicate with other planes outside of the earth 'mode' of communication, then you are lucky that you are getting so many callers – because you must be interesting to them.  To put it more exactly (as my guide wishes me to express at this time), you have the 'potential' within you to expand your perspective at this time if you feel ready.  It is all a question of readiness, because one can meditate for hours, days, weeks, and no significant communication – so meditation, or any other form of 'astral tenchinque' (although they have their usefulness in the early stages) is not a deciding factor in this.  It comes down to what the guides see,  and they know a lot more than you could imagine about you.  In fact,  An 'assigned' guide (should a person get one) – and there are different types of guide (some are purely 'teachers' for a short time in preparation for further guides) will know everything about you, especially what is necessary regarding their presence in your life at that time !

But, you will also encounter other entities – and this is in the same way as you would expect to encounter people in the street and interact – there are all shades of 'personality' – since you have chosen to enter their realm for a 'visit', and they will be curious about you.  In the same way as we get on with people or otherwise, it is a result of how we 'project' ourselves in both this world in that other realm.  In everything we do, we project 'vibes'; when we enter a room, even without knowing anyone, there is a vibration – welcoming or negative, and sometimes a person in that room attracts you the second you walk in through the door for some inexplicable reason; the reason is actually that their electromagnetic field has been picked up by you, subconsciously, and you react.  In both 'this world' and the other realms, the universal law applies:  Like attracts like, attraction and replusion are at the core of communication.  So, if you are trying to communicate at whatever level, you are sending out a 'call'.  If you then send out a repulsion, that has its effect too (regardless of the words you might use, it is the intent that is projected – benign or threatening, and the entity feels this).

So-called 'Negative Entities' are attracted to the negative elements in your life, your thoughts, or your surroundings (like attracts like) – so these are areas to examine if you feel such 'negative' entities; but, in truth, these perceived entities are not malovent, and in fact are invariably only 'thought forms'.  Many people, experiencing the presence of 'ghosts' etc, are actually tapping in to residual emotions that have been left in a place, or accessed from the emotional-store of the Akashic records (to put it over-simply, but that's what it is).  Everything that we feel remains in the collective, and can be 'breathed' in by the receptive person just as easily as air is breathed.  The key is not to have Fear.  Fear is a negative vibration, and will attract like.  Feelings of Love, and all that goes with it – courtesy, seeking of true knowledge as an 'intent' will attract those entities that can help you – and are indeed always waiting for the 'call'.

It is obvious therefore, that Psi is indeed fortunate in being able to 'tap in' to those higher levels, and the 'call' answered.  Many people have told me they wish they could do that.  But as I say, it has a lot to do with the vibrations the person gives out, their readiness for initial contact (after which, if they are receptive and acceptive) the guides can proceed to training them to higher levels of communication.  I will stress here, it is the guides who teach (often in very subtle ways) the things of the higher realms, and no amount of 'techniques' from books can give that knowledge; at best, they can only open the door after which it is up to the guides to contact us, otherwise we just wander around as one would do in a strange city learning nothing of greater value other than what our earth-based perception allows.  It is a learning-curve, and Fear is the only thing that excludes the learning.

With regard to chakras – particular advice about closing them after being on the Astral planes – it is not possible to actually close a chakra, as such.  As a Reiki Master, I sometimes say to the person that I am temporarily closing their chakra after a session.  All I am doing, in effect, is putting the blanket over the patient as a doctor would do after an examination, following experiences they will have had during that session – and is merely for 'comfort'.   Any chakra will open again, after a very short time of its own accord, and automatically find its correct level for that person at that time.  It may indeed open to a different level, and combined with other chakras produce what is known as 'detoxification'.  This can occur even without Reiki treatment, since the chakras react to Astral experiences, and we then have 'feelings' that we have to come to terms with.  There is also the factor that, consistently trying to close chakras after meditation or astral experiences is in itself a 'negative' projection of Fear against the 'unknown', and will hold a person back until this has been overcome.  Also, attempting to close the chakras is the same as suppressing feelings, and they are simply buried not addressed.

Getting a 'shiver' when an entity is present, or feelings of 'cold' is a physical manifestation of the body's reaction to vibrations of a higher level, just in the same way as one 'sees' with the normal senses, often very vividly experienced when first encountered (or until a person has a higher perception).  But, sometimes these 'feelings' of cold, or a 'shiver' especially are deliberately sent out to people by the visiting entities who can control far more than you could imagine with everything including the human body – and these 'feelings' are often for a purpose, to help the person become able 'tune-in' better.

Recalling back to when I first started, eight years ago on the death of my wife (such strong events are often the 'trigger' for exponential psychic development), I had no idea whatsoever of the so-called 'spirit' world.  Neither had I thought about it.  Even though I had, from the age of seven, been able to do psychometry and had numerous very lucid phrophetic dreams, I had always dismissed the whole thing as being something a 'gypsy' did in the fairground; such was my conditioning (being indoctrinated as a Christian at that time).  So, my first 'experience' with communication began with a violent 'shiver' that went down my spine at certain times, as I stood thinking in the now silent room after my wife's death.

I recount this little episode regarding the 'shiver' experiences I had, because they will help the reader understand how the guides often work to Awaken people......

My wife had a stroke suddenly from which she never regained consciousness at the end of her life.  I somehow sensed that she could hear me even though she had become totally paralysed after I laid her down on the bed waiting for the doctor to come.  And so, I tried to communicate with her.  I thought about it, and then said to her, "If you can hear me then sqeeze my hand".  I got a squeeze.  So, I said, "Let any squeeze be a yes", and I proceeded to ask her was she in pain (no sqeeze, meaning 'no'), was she comfortable (sqeeze).... etc.

So, it came to the time after her death, that I was thinking what I should do with the rest of my life..... thinking to myself..... I had a computer, so should I write using it, to help people ?  I thought to myself......and there was a massive shiver down my spine.  I carried on thinking to myself, and it wasn't long before I realised that each shiver corresponded to a 'yes', since others (and I tested these with oblique questions) produced no shiver, therefore a 'no' response.  My wife (who actually didn't like computers herself) had a 'thing' about Hewlett-Packard – she thought it was 'technically magnificent', and went on about it constantly, though expressing no interest in computers whatsoever.  When she died, I decided I needed a better printer than the old Citizen 120-D dot-matrix that I had, so I went the rounds of the shops with my son.  I wanted to see what they had, and wanted to see them demonstrated.  Well, to cut a long story short, in all of the five large shops we visited they had inexplicably (they said) ran out of all printers except one brand....... Hewlett-Packard.  I didn't want to be stuck with just one choice, but there was only one choice.  So, I had the HP 540 demonstrated to me.  It would do the job, fine.  As we were walking out of the shop, and I was remarking on how strange it was that there was only that one brand in all of those shops at that time – my son said to me, "You know what mom always said, 'There's only one printer in my eyes'.... and it seems she's intervened here to get you the one she knows you'll need".   When I got home I stood in the room with my newly acquired printer, and I asked (it seemed sensible, if she was there then she would hear me), "Did you make sure I got this printer and no other?"  A massive shiver ran down my spine.

That was my first encounter with 'direct communication' – from having known nothing, nor even though about it previously, to starting to dimly glimpse a new perspective.  Some weeks later, I was introduced to the Crystal Pendulum (again, I had no idea what it was, nor had the person who introduced me to it, but I decided with an open mind to try it).  I asked literally thousands of questions to it, and got 'yes' and 'no' responses, double-checked the answers by asking further oblique questions.....and gradually I gained a reall rapport.  And it was that which led me to becoming fully Telepathic.  As my eventual 'assigned' guide (after several 'teacher' guides) explained when I was able to have proper conversations, "The Pendulum makes it easy to open up channels in the brain, from the hypothalamus in particular, through which our communications come".  She also taught me the 'correct' usage (as known in ancient times, because that was taught to those people by the guides also) of the Pendulum, as opposed to what is termed 'Dowsing techniques'.  I may post something on this in another thread.

How we perceive 'other realms' has much to do with our conditioning, and even habituation in our lives.   Think of it this way (and this is not far from the true reality, as my guide has explained!):  Observe a person playing a 'virtual reality' game using the now very sophisticated software and peripheral 'sensors' that are available – and they lose all sense of the real reality of their lives, immersed in that game of "pursuing the dragon" along the endless corridors of the game.  Try calling such a person back to reality – even if it is only an ordinary 'virtual reality' game, and not state-of-the-art..... not a great deal of success, when you say, "Dinner's ready" even!  The guides are IN the real reality, 'life' is but a dreamscape..... "All the world's a stage, and all the people in it merely players; we each play our part..." (Shakespeare was himself a Clairvoyant, and he knew – but lived in times when one had to be careful what one said, and 'virtual reality' games had not then been conceived by man, so could not be explained so clearly).  Thus, the guides come to people, and even communicate -–but the person may well hear this (if at all) through the fog of their 'perceived' reality, and that communication often gets mixed up with the conditioned expectation of what it really 'means', and so that person continues to chace the 'dragons' that is their habit, and pick up the 'tools' (books) that will help them in their 'quest'.  But, in truth, it is so simple; we only need to shed to conditioning, habituation and external pressures to 'conform' to that perceived reality, in order to begin to see clearly... and all that remains is to have an open mind to explore.  The rest is up to the guides, when the person is ready to learn more.

I hope this will give a few insights that may be helpful, because it is not the obvious that brings the truth but what we can see in the subtle influences the guides bring to bear in our lives.  What is written in books and on the Internet are, at best – no matter how 'technically' presented, only the experience of the individual.  Recently, I had someone with a problem concerning the ability to 'astral travel', and that person expected it to be just a matter of following the directions given in the book by the established author, who had written "... do this, and it will be a 'cinch'".  Well, as the song says, "It ain't necessarily so" – and what is a cinch for one person does not necessarily apply at all to another; each person, whether published or not, comes to it in their own way, as the guides decide, and not through any so-called 'expertise'.  The guides are the teachers, pure and simple, and when and if a person is ready, then they move on to the next stage, and not all will come to do the same things or have the same experiences – which is why some are 'gifted' in automatic writing, or psychometry or any other form of communication or ability to 'see', interact and receive communication in the astral. I was chosen to be a Channeler - I did not ask, nor even think of this - but, the guides decided, and I accepted; from there my 'training' by them started.

The bottom line is that we see or do in those realms what we are allowed to, or chosen to do, what we become best at through the guides' training of us,  and what we can do with it to help others - because what is gifted is NOT for our particular benefit, as some kind of voyeuristic experience into other realms: This is well evidenced in the efforts of the Majestic12 'covert' group whose intentions were self-seeking for their government 'masters', and they have found they can only Remote View - particularly concerning aliens and their activities) what the guides permit, much to their chagrin, but there it is.   Everything is for a purpose, and those who 'explore' seemingly at will are actually being allowed to find their astral feet, to conquor their Fear, and thus – for those who go by that route, some find direct communication immediately – become acclimatised to what will follow as the guides choose them for particular 'tasks' to help mankind.    So, always, read between the lines in what you encounter, it will not always be what you perceive on the surface..... to find the real purpose in life.

Finally, what I would say to Psi, is that if you are having visitors when not even trying... then you're well on the way !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[RandomName]

HOLY COW MAYATNIK! YOU DON'T POST MUCH BUT WHEN YOU POST BOY OH BOY DO YOU EVER POST :-/

I appreciate the help, I attempted at projection this afternoon but then my sister came in the room and screwed me up. After she had left I got a case of the shivers again then whatever it was just kind of left. No shivers since earlier, no perceptions of ANYTHING. After all this crap and then the fact they are all suddenly gone, the experience is comparable to a good looking women suddenly beaten with an ugly stick :-/

You know, its very awkward to know that most of us normal guys would point and laugh and call eachother stupid over this kind of thing. Nothing I can discuss with friends, THAT IS FOR SURE. No girls I know could help me anyway, [V]

Well, as said before, im doing alright now. maybe ill get an answer in a dream tonight or something :-/

[Mirador]

My hat goes off to Mr. MAYATNIK, his posting reflects true wisdom and knowledge. All newbies in Astralpulse should read and reread this posting to Psi's inquiry.

[Nick]

Mayatnik,

Thanks for such a comprehensive and profound post. There is a lot to think about in what you wrote. Please consider posting something further either here or as a "new topic" regarding guides and other realms. By the way, welcome to the Astral Pulse.

Very best,

[finn]

very insightful post mayatnik. I must have read it at least five time already, each time focusing on different aspects of each paragraph.

[coral1]

Hello MAYATNIK

Thanks for that very informative post.It helps answer some questions I`ve been dealing with lately.You have a nice way with words.

Happy Trails

[MAYATNIK]

quote:Originally posted by finn

I must have read it at least five time already, each time focusing on different aspects of each paragraph.

That is the best way to look at ANY post - or, indeed, anything that is written on the Internet or in books.  The 'answers' will be what one eventually perceives with insight from examining what is presented..... and looking at it from all perspectives as they come into your head.  If you are being receptive then you have already put out a 'call', and the guides will be watching; so, any sudden ideas that seem to 'pop' into your head, seemingly from nowhere, are almost always placed there by a guide - and, if you are open, you are then able to explore that 'route' offered for thought, and it will lead to further qeuestions you will feel prompted to ask as you explore new terrain.  fundamentally, nothing is the way it seems; all that we 'see' in our normal everyday life is a result of conditioning and habituation and we need to recognize this and break free from normal human blinkered vision.  The way forward is always to question with a positive attitude that all is possible - not accept with 'blind belief'.  So, my posts are always to provoke thought, rather than giving the 'answer', because that is how I have been trained by the guides, in the subtle way they teach.  This is a Free Will world, where all is allowed, and the guides want us to explore... particularly not to avoid that which people may be conditioned to automatically reject.  Darkness and Light exist for us to know them, even 'experience' them in our journey.  The words 'evil' and 'satan' are inventions of man to polarise thought.  Any polarisation limits the learning process, and often even precludes it until the person is 'open' to explore all that is there, and to examine from all angles, not just at face or surface value.

I intend to post on the subject of the Pendulum, because this is an excellent starting point for lateral thinking, and exercises the 'psychic muscles' with clear and un-ambiguous question sessions.  The old computer adage applies: Garbage in, garbage out.  So, in using the Pendulum, people learn by the 'yes' / 'no' answers to be clear and precise in questioning, as they seek new knowledge - and this also enables the removal of 'colouration' in thought patterns so often introduced by the intellect and which interferes with true 'intuition' when embarking on those Astral 'projects'.

Thank you for your response Finn (and also Nick and Mirador - Coral1 too who posted while I was composing this) - I look forward to your further input because it is by the interaction of all of us in sharing our thoughts and experiences that we learn best.  As a wise friend of mine puts it - The only wrong input is no input; to which I add, that interaction is the key to learning.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Bad Moon Rising]

MAYATNIK. [] I am very happy that you have joined the Astral Pulse.
I will be looking forward to your post about the PENDULUM.

[Lasher]

quote:But, in truth, it is so simple; we only need to shed to conditioning, habituation and external pressures to 'conform' to that perceived reality, in order to begin to see clearly... and all that remains is to have an open mind to explore.

This is an interesting concept that I have struggled with.  
Because we live in such a loud, fast, busy world, we are constantly being conditioned with random BS that is not helpful to us.

Then, every now and then we come across something, perhaps a book, or an internet post, that inspires us and makes us connect with our deeper selves.  So then our focus attaches onto that book or idea or spiritual concept.  It becomes like a life preserver in a stormy ocean.  

The wisest folks always seem to say, "Don't worry.  Let go of all your thoughts.  Let go of your ego.  The truth will come to you."
But when you are clinging to that life preserver, it feels like it is your only connection to the good, true, higher reality.  You fear that if you let it go, then you will be at the mercy of all of the myriad of trivial and destructive thought habits that have always surrounded you.  

Someone once said that nature abhors a vacuum.
That's how it feels.  Like if you don't actively fill your consciousness with positive thoughts, or spiritual concepts, then it will naturally fill up with all of that randomness and negativity that surrounds us.

Lasher

[Dennibee]

I'm a beginner at this. Why am i hearing noises, like people talking to me but i can't understand them? Are the any easy methods for helping me project?

[cainam_nazier]

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[cainam_nazier]

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[cainam_nazier]

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[Thing]

I think that someone owned the username "cainam_nazier"