Go Into Someone's Else's Body in Astral Travel.

[ansub]

Hey,

I'm a new forum member.

Anyways, I have been studying AP and one thing I heard from other forums is about the ability to go into another person's body in Astral Travel. And KEEP that body forever.

Now before any of you say it's impossible.

Let me explain why I think it may be possible.

First, in AP, body leaves the soul. AP is real! You can see things in real time, it's isn't fiction.

Now, when people dream or are sleeping- their soul leaves their body.

So in theory you could go over to someone who is sleeping and then go inside their body instead of yours and have it as your own.

Some of you maybe saying "That isn't possible, their is a silver cord".... To be honest, I think the "silver cord"... is just made up from people's own minds and religious beliefs. It is all mind created and can be moved away.

Another argument could be "People from all cultures and religions see it".... Another rebuttal to that is that, it is simply a security from the subconscious mind that your body won't go anywhere. It could also be from other people hearing from others that when they project they see the silver cord and then they get their mind influenced and begin to see it sometimes.

Also, another argument people have is that- "It isn't possible. people have a protection against other spirits and souls entering their body"...

Well guess what? I read a book that said a woman once found a demon in her body.. She said to it "To get out".. It said "No"... Then she furiously said "GET THE OUT!!" and it quickly left.

The book than said that everyone has a "claim" on their own body.

I don't know, but in my opinion if some spirit wanted to have a body really badly, it would have problem to scream back and tell them "It's mine now!!!! SO SCRAM!"  .... And keep on staying their till the person gives up and decides to surrender.

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Okay Here's Some Research I've Done on This.

1) First Theory. One person said, that both people most have consent. He also said that it's possible for it to be automatically reversed because of the subconscious mind being able to detect that you are in the wrong body. Solution to this? Very easy. Influence your subconscious mind that this is your correct body, it is your original body. Simple affirmation 3-5 times daily with strong belief and faith for 1 year can do the simple trick to this.  Don't know if their making it up?

2) Second theory, One person said that it can be done without any consent. All you have to do is wait for the person to sleep. Go over and get inside their body. Don't know if their making it up?

3) Third theory, A Vodoo witch, once switched a girl and boys body. I heard this.

4) Fourth Theory, Someone on this forum said they waked up and were in another girl's body. They were scared and completely freaked out. They didn't want to "publicly release" it. They said it was a similar method like astral projection.  Don't know if their making it up?

5) Fifth Theory, Some other guy in another forum said that you can do it. All you have to do is be able get the silver cord and quickly switch them and then go inside. Some of you may argue that it isn't possible because the silver can't be severed or taken out. I have heard of one account of the person being able to do it. But another argument is that the cord was replaced by another object which the person had said. But then again, a silver cord etc... can all be a comfort created from the subconscious mind.

6) Sixth Theory, Another person who has posted this on many many forums said it is possible with astral projection. But then again, they could be full of bs.

7) Seventh Theory, forum member from another forum, Said he went into Astral Travel and possessed another person's body their and it was in another planet.

The Last Theory, I have heard someone say that in the book called "Chaos Magic by Peter Null" , there is chapter talking about going back in someone else's body through Astral Projection.
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Now their are many people who say "This isn't possible in astral travel... You can move things physically, You can't this" - blah blah blah. I have heard of people doing one thing and then other's saying it's impossible.

My opinion is that you are your only limitation. If you believe it can be done TRULY... I think it is possible.

Problems Arising

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One problem is that, let's say if you do this without consent... What will happen to our own body? Who will have it?- Will it die? If it dies, will YOU die?

Why I want to do this?

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To gain an experience outside my own shoes and see how family life is between another person. I want to see how another person's lifestyle is and how it will affect me. I want to see if others will treat my different, same and how will my view of life change. Also, I want this to be permanent!



Please Leave Your Comments and Give Your Opinion on This Subject. Give some stories, some ideas, and what you know.

[OBEvanCHERNOBIL]

Our souls never leaves the physical body till death. In AP your original mind being copied into newly created body. You can be aware off your physical and your real-time/etheric/astral body in same time during an OBE.

[ansub]

Hmmm.

For some reason I still believe it's possible.

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

HI Ansub

I think you have some fears about OBE.  It does sound like you are looking for and presenting the case against OBE, so you can feel comfortable about not attempting OBE. 

Whatever anyone says will not make a difference now.  You will change when you are ready.

However, I will say that most of the conclusions you have come to are based on assumptions which you have decided to take as fact.  A lot of experienced APers have validated the existence of the silver cord, and all of them would tell you AP is very safe.  But like I said above, no one can make you believe in anything.  You will AP with confidence when you're ready.

Good luck
Venus

[+Explorer+]

There is also a theory on Astral-Physical Manifesation theory where u can get an object in the astral realm and then take it to the physical world when u wake up

[IceCold_K82]

I would think that every person would have a different frequency/magnetism that makes them unique.  So making it impossible for someone to fully take over your body without your permission.  I think you would always be able to tell someone to leave and they would because their frequency wouldnt match up.

[ansub]

There is also a theory on Astral-Physical Manifesation theory where u can get an object in the astral realm and then take it to the physical world when u wake up

So you could literally go in a bank and grab a stash full of money? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[ansub]

I would think that every person would have a different frequency/magnetism that makes them unique.  So making it impossible for someone to fully take over your body without your permission.  I think you would always be able to tell someone to leave and they would because their frequency wouldnt match up.

I doubt that to be honest.. lol..

Anyways.

Let me actually go in Astral Projection and try it to see...

[CFTraveler]

Dear Ansub: 
There are all kinds of theories about everything under the metaphysical sun, and they largely depend on the beliefs of those who propose them.  You shouldn't 'decide to' believe in something until you've experienced it.
So yes, please project and experience.

However, please know that bilocation is something that we eventually experience with practice- demonstrating, if not proving (for obvious reasons) that it is possible to be in your body and somewhere else at the same time.  Or space.  Or something.
In fact, someone should put out a poll about how many people who AP have experienced it, and how long they've been doing it.

[IceCold_K82]

I doubt that to be honest.. lol..

Anyways.

Let me actually go in Astral Projection and try it to see...

Really it makes more sense to me.  If not, what is to stop a "demon" or anyone for that matter to come and yank me out of my body and use it for themselves?  The more I think about someone taking over MY body the more it sounds stupid

[ansub]

Here's what I found that in a forum.

Remember, it can be a load of lies for all I know.


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=133042

http://mindsvision.blogspot.com/2007/01/my-3-days-in-parallel-future-universe.html

The guy was astral projecting and suddenly he clashed between someone and then he actually was able to take over his body but then was switched back.


Anyways, I'll try it out and see for myself. No point in speaking out of ignorance.

I could do research for hours but what's the point if I could just try it and if it works then great. Mission accomplished! 

[Tongo]

Why doesn't someone who has an astral travel buddy arrange it so they give each other permission to enter each others bodys then they can both be OBE at the EXACT same time as each other and go into each others bodys.

This is simple and the one way, the only way it could be proven if you ask me. Anyone tried this? any luck?

[ansub]

Why doesn't someone who has an astral travel buddy arrange it so they give each other permission to enter each others bodys then they can both be OBE at the EXACT same time as each other and go into each others bodys.

This is simple and the one way, the only way it could be proven if you ask me. Anyone tried this? any luck?

that was also discussed. I think that maybe more practical.

I'll see... Let's do it to see.

If anyone else wants to try it in AP, be my guest.

Keep in mind that the beliefs you hold automatically are rendered in AP, so you must have faith.

[Tongo]

Ok so an experiment is in order.

Any volunteers pls boys and girls?

[Synergy]

I don't think it's possible and here's why:

I don't believe that we ever really leave the physical body during projection of any kind.  In fact, we don't cast off the physical body until physical death, and then the etheric along with it (or shortly after).  We are multidimensional beings, existing on many levels - Just like the physical body is the vehicle we use to interact with this level, the physical reality, we have others that we use to interact with other realities, called subtle bodies.  We have an etheric body, that we use to experience the world through etheric projection.  We have an astral body that we can interact with the astral plane, lower and higher mental bodies and so forth.  We are never separated from any of them, and they are not us... our essense is something else entirely. 

The easiest way to visualize this is to imagine you are like a radio.  Your subtle bodies are the spots on the dial that you tune into to listen to a specific station... the stations being the different levels of reality.  All the frequencies are being received by the receiver (you) at all times, just like a radio antenna is always receiving all of the stations, but you only tend to tune into one at a time.

This theory (which also happens to validate how I have experienced the phenomenon of projection), can be explained by science... as we already know that at the very base of everything is vibration.... vibration=frequency.  Light, Sounds, Thought, Brainwaves, Heartbeats, Solar Winds, Radar, Radio, Computer Chips, lunar and solar cycles, ocean waves, atoms, radiation etc etc I could go on and on until I've included everything we know to exist, works on vibration/frequency.

Oh and another thing you are saying... you are describing etheric projection (seeing people's physical bodies while you are out) that's etheric or real time projection.  If you were astrally projecting, anyone's bodies you'd see would be also their astral bodies, which would be quite occupied, whether or not they are currently focusing on that reality!

[ansub]

^ Interesting...

That can be all correct and I could be wrong.

But again what about your awareness? In astral your only aware of your astral body and not your physical body... But again, it could be just a "copy" and the other physical copy could be asleep.


Anyways, I've heard of some suggestions and implications that it may possibly be true.

Again- They only way to know it is to actually try it and see for yourself.

Then if it works, go in your new body and visit your old body to see if anyone is inhabiting it...

Also you can get knowledge on how to switch bodies in the astral plane... There is tons of knowledge there.

[ansub]

Also there's a method called Trong Jug.

It's a yoga practice to enter someone's body.

You can go into astral projection and learn to do this.

So nothing is impossible.

[Synergy]

Also there's a method called Trong Jug.

It's a yoga practice to enter someone's body.

You can go into astral projection and learn to do this.

So nothing is impossible.

Astral or Etheric projection?  If you are talking about someone's physical body, then you'd be in all likelyhood in etheric projection which is the typical floating over your body and /or seeing the physical surroundings in real or near real time.  Astral projection is a higher level and the qualities of such experience are mystical, thought can affect change there and AP are often mistaken for 'vivid dreams' - also sound and color are much more vivid there, adding to the mystical qualities.  Everything there is a 'copy' of and not actual physical objects,... well, actually its the other way around, things here are copies of what's there.  (as above so below)

Ghosts that take over clairvoyants are earth bound... which I take as a synonym to mean in etheric form (the etheric body is usually cast off a short time after physical death because really, the etheric body is part of the physical - it's the 'vital body' that keeps the physical living) But in ghosts, these people have not cast off the etheric and are stuck here.  I have heard of cases where a clairvoyant allowed a spirit to enter their body in order to communicate but it's not easy, on the clairvoyant or the spirit, and complete trust on the part of the clairvoyant is required.

Why are you so concerned about learning to enter someone else's body anyway?  If you have never projected before I'd suggest learning to do that first and then think about such things... which even if possible, I consider to be very immoral - unless you have their permission to do it.

[CFTraveler]

^ Interesting...


But again what about your awareness? In astral your only aware of your astral body and not your physical body... But again, it could be just a "copy" and the other physical copy could be asleep.

This is only true when you start projecting.  Your mind has the preconceived notion that 'you can't be in two (or more) places at the same time'- but all your subtle bodies are, and your consciousness usually sequentializes what is too much for it and you remember it as a linear happening.  That is why things like precog dreams also happen- the mind can't process 'here' and 'there' at the same time and shows you 'later' in a dream.   But existence is holographic, not linear.
If you project a lot and your mind learns to accept data that it has had to reject or reassemble previously, you start to experience projection as it really happens- all at the same time.  As you get better at it and you learn to handle more, your perception is able to handle more, and it expands.  I remember people in this forum report having two and three different simultaneous points of view (I can only do two).  Once again, the only way to know if this is true is by practicing projection, and doing it for some time.
You don't have to believe me or anyone else- just see for yourself.

[ansub]

^ Yes, I'll try it to see, that's they only way to prove anything.

A lot of people on this forum- occultforums.com -claim to be able to switch bodies in astral Projection.

But it could be lies.

Again, I'll at least first try to get in Etheric Projection and see for myself.

PS. They said it sometimes lasts only 3 days- others said it lasted forever (has to do with subconscious mind reversing them). 

[Tongo]

So whats going on with this?!? is anyone going to try it with someone else?!?! Ansub you doing it with someone you know who can astral project?

[ansub]

I'm still learning how to AP... lol....

But to those people that know how to Astral projection, why don't some of you come forth and participate?

Also, I think it would be best to make a trustworthy forum member, we don't want people pulling our legs.

[Tongo]

Yes we dont want "i'll see if I can astral project sometime next week maybe" we want someone now who can test this for sure asap with someone else lol.

Ansub....have you astral projected at all?

[ansub]

Is that a Rhetorical question?

I almost APed while listening to binaural beats. Heart pumping fast, body vibrating and felt light.- I got scared so I opened my eyes and stopped listening (stupid me)

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

guys, what you need to know is when someone gets to the level of projecting, it means that they have reached a high level of evolution, so he/she will not get involved in bettings and challenges.  In other words, people AP for their personal spiritual advancement - not to prove what they can do to others.  The latter is about ego.

I can confirm that there are very highly advanced APers on this site.  But they will not get involved in your betting games.

If you want to learn, ask them, listen, apply, practice and you'll get there.  And when you get there, you'll know what I mean.

best wishes
Venus