Religion - Science - Oobe - NDE - Astral Projection

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

Anyone here have problems within their family/school/friends/coworkers  of the following: Religion -Science - Oobe - NDE - Astral Projection interelated of what one might perceive? How do you make the subject comfortable with loved ones when you practice this science?

Tvos

[magicmac2000]

OBES: There are only two friends of mine who are open minded enough and can talk about these things (AP) with'em. Also, my wife knows that every night I'm trying to AP and she's cool about that.
Now, about my family, co-workers and other friends, to be honest, I don't talk about it. Not yet coz I'm not a regular projector (only had one full OBE) and I feel I have no right to speak about it. I mean, if I have no personal experience, I can't speak for "The Voice of Silence". In fact, in this same board I cited you to speak about your experience to answer a few questions, but when you don't have personal experience -this is what I think- you can't start a conversation speaking about AP and making claims that you don't even checked. So, before speaking about this with other people that I KNOW will start asking good questions, I prefer to be quiet.

NDE: don't want to talk about it too much, coz here NDEs are famous because of a guy who is a Christian Fundamentalist. He is not objective at all when he speaks about it, so most non-Christians feel that he's speaking crappy-sh1t. Again, if I couldn't OBE by myself, I can't speak too much about NDEs. All the conversations start and end in "I believe in NDEs".

Religion: I love to speak about Religion because I have a big personal experience and I read a lot about it. Theses things always arise problems in conversations if there is a fundamentalist on the table, but when you speak with open minded (even religious) people, it turns out to be very very interesting. My co-workers are very intelligent ones and there is no way to "escape" with easy stuff. I love to speak about religion with open minded people, what I don't like is to remove their Faith or Beliefs. I think that is something that one should question to himself. So, for example my parents are Christians and believe unconditionally in Jesus. They have Faith and it HELPs 'em to overcome many problems. So if I speak with them, I won't start saying: "Yeah, but Buddha existed before Christ" ... or "Can you prove that Christ existed outside of the Gospels ?" ... I mean, if they want to believe that and there is no harm in that religion, I don't try to remove their beliefs nor their Faith.
Now, if we speak about Sai Baba, I have to admit that I TRY to remove any Faith that anyone can have on him. Why ? Because he is a clown. I know it, I read about it and I have PROOF about it. What PROOF ? Videos where you can see him doing close up magic (sleight of hand) and saying that are "Miracles"... f*ck him up. He don't need to lie.
Instead, priests (there are exceptions, obvious) REALLY believe in Jesus, God, etc. The preach about what they believe. They are not lying, they believe and share their beliefs with other people. Those are different things. You can or not believe on God, but you can not easily say that God does not exist. On the other hand, there is PROOF that Sai Baba exist and you don't need to believe that. There is also PROOF that he is a liar so if you believe in him, you are fooling yourself.
In other words, I don't try to change anyone beliefs, but if I feel that someone is doing something harmful to himself because of the Religion, I prepare my canons and start the fire.

Science: I love to speak about science. In general terms, everyone agree that science is great and that it gave us (humans) a lot of things like medicine, astronomy, etc that help us to survive much more, to know the universe, other planets, etc.

About your last question, "How do you make the subject comfortable with loved ones ?" - I think the best way to approach these things is to first know what their beliefs are. Then approach it with love and respect. But before approaching something like this, I will proof to myself that is "REAL" as we say. Real means that you are really out of your body and it's not a creation of your mind or a dream. Period. All the other questions about "What is real ?" for me, are not valid. An AP guy who KNOWS that is real, FINE. But if you have doubts on your mind, I don't think it will be fine to say something like OBE or AP. I would approach the thing maybe with different terms like: "There's something strange that I usually do... I don't know if it's REAL or not"...
So, good luck and hope I didn't bore you with the long post

Magic.

[Super Sonic]

What is NDE?

[Kazbadan]

near death experience: basically its an obe when you have a situation in which you nearly die. Like in an accident.

[David Warner]

Magicmac2000,

I do understand where you are coming from and it makes sense. Its not easy to open up to loved one's with AP and wanting to share the experience. Hence, my external output to this medium or other family members that have experienced.

I guess the only real way to approach this with a spouse, bf/gf is to let them become aware of this and if they are interested, enlighten, but if they are not - drop it at that and just be vigilant with the research.

Tvos