experience with the died beloved ones?

[Lost soul]

Hi again everybody
i apologize if posted this in the wrong forum but i thought some of you had some experience dealing with died people spirits and met with beloved ones who past away

has any of you really knows what happens to them?
i watched and heard many story's of near death experiences but what i really found it disturbing is that many of these experiences are contradictory to each others

some of them said it doesn't matter which realign you believe in and we all well see the loving bright light
others saw them self thrown in to hell just for not believing in such a realign

and others saw weird things in there experiences that doesn't make since

some people say we all going to see each others after death and live in heavens for ever
other believes in reincarnation

and everyone brings some convincing evidences of his own theory 

so the point of my topic is to ask the experts in spirituality about it which its probably you guys are

i don't think i can ever find out by my self its too herd for me to astral project and i just want you're opinions
please nothing more

[Xanth]

i don't think i can ever find out by my self its too herd for me to astral project and i just want you're opinions
please nothing more

Well, that's kind of the problem... there's really no such thing as an "expert" in this and nobody has anything even closely resembling an answer to your question.
Sure, lots of people like to think they have an answer... but, what they don't realize is that they only have THEIR answer.

I have my own answers regarding what happens to us when we physically die, but those answers don't help you in the slightest. 

What we can do is teach you to project in order to find YOUR answers. 
That's all we can do.

[LightBeam]

All I can tell you is that each person that transfers from this reality to another, experiences different things depending on their beliefs, expectations, state of mind, etc. At least during the first stage in the new environment. This is from my own experience with souls retrievals.
Now, I have met my dad many times and communicated with him. He is in a very happy place and together with his brother and other relatives. I met other relatives as well and some of them emanate joy and happiness, while others I have seen staying in a distance not speaking, just looking at me. I had tried to engage them to communicate, but if they were not ready to be guided, then who knows how long they would linger in darker places because of their own issues. The next level is just another stage of our continuous experience and growth.

[Lost soul]

Xanth i am looking forward to know you're theory

light beam you had a very Interesting experiences thanks for telling me about it

i do believe in something about spirits
and its that we cant Appreciate happiness our heavens if we don't know how pain and sadness feels like 
that's why we spirits chosed to live the tough physical life in earth in order when we die we can Appreciate happiness and piece

however for me this is just a theory

whats really disturbing me is that there also atheist people who've bin throw near death experience found them self getting burned in hell just for not believing in such a realign

some of them see loving light and others getting tortured in hell and all of them where atheists so what dose that all means??
this is just canfusing me more and more

i know some for fact bin throw out of body experince in there near death experince and tolled about real facts they could've not known with there Physical bodys 

thats one reason that makes me believe in spirituality

[Lost soul]

I would love to share these wonderful videos with you because these are the things that led me believing in spirits and made me heard about astral projection (these are the best NDE i've heard and it made me feel a lot better when i watched it) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z56u4wMxNlg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuMYaEB35U

i hope the forum manager dont mind talking about this stuff because its all related to this subject and the astral projection and spirituality

[Xanth]

Xanth i am looking forward to know you're theory

It's all in my book.  
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39504726/Phasing_Primer.pdf

whats really disturbing me is that there also atheist people who've bin throw near death experience found them self getting burned in hell just for not believing in such a realign

some of them see loving light and others getting tortured in hell and all of them where atheists so what dose that all means??
this is just canfusing me more and more

That's because DEEP DOWN those individuals actually fear their atheistic belief... they fear that they're wrong.  So when they end up in the non-physical, those fears play out in, as Frank would say, full technicolour 3D.  LoL
The ones that see the Loving stuff are those who have worked on becoming better people.  I have no doubt of that.

i know some for fact bin throw out of body experince in there near death experince and tolled about real facts they could've not known with there Physical bodys  

thats one reason that makes me believe in spirituality

That's not spirituality... that's simply projection.
Projection is as much or little to do with spirituality as anything else is.  

A walk in the park can be a spiritual experience... just as eating a taco could be.  

[CFTraveler]

Here's a conversation we had just the other day:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/finding_loved_ones_on_the_astral_plane-t44165.0.html;topicseen

[Lost soul]

Thanks both of you CFT traveler and xanth

[Lost soul]

I also heard of problems happens to people who feard death
and its that when they die they never know they died so they keep living in earth like lost ghosts and some of them keep living throw there life times again and again which creates these ghosts phenomenon

[Xanth]

I also heard of problems happens to people who feard death
and its that when they die they never know they died so they keep living in earth like lost ghosts and some of them keep living throw there life times again and again which creates these ghosts phenomenon

Depends upon the situation of your death and what you know (quality of your consciousness).

[soarin12]

Lost Soul, thanks for the great links.  I really enjoyed them.  The common thread in all those experiences is love.  I have felt this same beautiful love in many of my astral projections.  I have felt the love from enlightened beings and have given that love to others that apparently needed it.  I actually became or existed as that love myself.  I can tell you that it is an amazing feeling to one minute exist as we are in the physical (very dull in comparison!) and the next minute to exist as pure love.  As you I'm sure noticed, in all those NDEs, they were all told or shown that this is the purpose of life. --To learn love.  Sure, there are some negative experiences out there, but I seriously doubt that anyone who makes it a point to treat others with kindness will have any problems after death.  I've read about people whose morality was shaky at best, that still had beautiful experiences and they came back and changed their ways.  Sometimes these people have "hell" experiences at first but then are rescued.  From what I've read (which is a lot!)  if your're not too far gone to ask for help or just to choose differently, you will not end up as a 'ghost' or in a 'hell.' 

[Lost soul]

Lost Soul, thanks for the great links.  I really enjoyed them.  The common thread in all those experiences is love.  I have felt this same beautiful love in many of my astral projections.  I have felt the love from enlightened beings and have given that love to others that apparently needed it.  I actually became or existed as that love myself.  I can tell you that it is an amazing feeling to one minute exist as we are in the physical (very dull in comparison!) and the next minute to exist as pure love.  As you I'm sure noticed, in all those NDEs, they were all told or shown that this is the purpose of life. --To learn love.  Sure, there are some negative experiences out there, but I seriously doubt that anyone who makes it a point to treat others with kindness will have any problems after death.  I've read about people whose morality was shaky at best, that still had beautiful experiences and they came back and changed their ways.  Sometimes these people have "hell" experiences at first but then are rescued.  From what I've read (which is a lot!)  if your're not too far gone to ask for help or just to choose differently, you will not end up as a 'ghost' or in a 'hell.' 

Its also the same with me when having a happy bed dreams
it feels so real like nothing i ever experienced in the real world
the emotions are so strong and vivid and clear and its so amazing
its possible that sleeping are some tipe of near death experience where our souls Begins feeling the presence of the loving beings that surrounds us

[Lost soul]

Depends upon the situation of your death and what you know (quality of your consciousness).

I most begin teaching my self form now on not to fear death ever

[soarin12]

its possible that sleeping are some tipe of near death experience where our souls Begins feeling the presence of the loving beings that surrounds us

Yes!  Dreams, astral projection, and NDEs are all the same thing.  They are all Non-physical consciousness experiences and the loving beings can reach you in all of them.  It's only the degree of lucidity that's different.  Dreams --not lucid.  AP and NDE --full lucidity.

Have you read' Proof of Heaven' by the neurosurgeon Eben Alexander?  Such a great book.  I was just reading some of it last night. Two quotes I really love.  He calls the divine Source "OM" in his book.  He says he communicated directly with "OM" in his NDE.

"Om understands and sympathizes with our human situation more profoundly and personally than we can even imagine because Om knows what we have forgotten, and understands the terrible burden it is to live with amnesia of the Divine for even a moment."

"Ultimately, none of us are orphans....We have other family.  Beings who are watching and looking out for us --beings we have momentarily forgotten, but who, if we open ourselves to their presence, are waiting to help us navigate our time here on earth.  None of us are ever unloved.  Each and every one of us is deeply known and cared for by a creator who cherishes us beyond any ability we have to comprehend."

[Lost soul]

Yes!  Dreams, astral projection, and NDEs are all the same thing.  They are all Non-physical consciousness experiences and the loving beings can reach you in all of them.  It's only the degree of lucidity that's different.  Dreams --not lucid.  AP and NDE --full lucidity.

Have you read' Proof of Heaven' by the neurosurgeon Eben Alexander?  Such a great book.  I was just reading some of it last night. Two quotes I really love.  He calls the divine Source "OM" in his book.  He says he communicated directly with "OM" in his NDE.

"Om understands and sympathizes with our human situation more profoundly and personally than we can even imagine because Om knows what we have forgotten, and understands the terrible burden it is to live with amnesia of the Divine for even a moment."

"Ultimately, none of us are orphans....We have other family.  Beings who are watching and looking out for us --beings we have momentarily forgotten, but who, if we open ourselves to their presence, are waiting to help us navigate our time here on earth.  None of us are ever unloved.  Each and every one of us is deeply known and cared for by a creator who cherishes us beyond any ability we have to comprehend."

I would love to bye his book and reed my self
As I understand OM is more like what we call it god , and its the same loving light we see in these NDE and the after life , am i correct?
but what really confuse me is that i don't know how long my spirit well remain in haven in the after life and when do i have to reincarnate again?
i mean i really hope i would see again all my loved ones who died before they reincarnate again to another life

[soarin12]

As I understand OM is more like what we call it god , and its the same loving light we see in these NDE and the after life , am i correct?

Yes.  In his NDE, 'Om' was the sound he remembered hearing associated with the omniscient, omnipotent and unconditionally loving god he experienced. 

[soarin12]

but what really confuse me is that i don't know how long my spirit well remain in haven in the after life and when do i have to reincarnate again?
i mean i really hope i would see again all my loved ones who died before they reincarnate again to another life

Well, from what I've read about the afterlife, I do not get the idea that anyone forces you to reincarnate at a certain time.  Also, there are so many NDEs that include reunions with loved ones.  Taking those two things into consideration, it seems likely that you and your loved ones will have plenty of time together. 

I met my deceased father in one of my OOBEs and he was really happy and excited to see me.  It was a very emotional reunion for both of us.  So don't worry.  They don't forget about us!  I'm willing to bet that anyone your're really close to will make it a point to wait for you before reincarnating.

[Lost soul]

Well, from what I've read about the afterlife, I do not get the idea that anyone forces you to reincarnate at a certain time.  Also, there are so many NDEs that include reunions with loved ones.  Taking those two things into consideration, it seems likely that you and your loved ones will have plenty of time together. 

I met my deceased father in one of my OOBEs and he was really happy and excited to see me.  It was a very emotional reunion for both of us.  So don't worry.  They don't forget about us!  I'm willing to bet that anyone your're really close to will make it a point to wait for you before reincarnating.

Thanks for giving me all these interesting information about the after life
i am also looking forward to meat my dear cat pet who was killed by our neighbors and see him in the after life
i miss him so much and i hope i well get to meat him someday

[soarin12]

Thanks for giving me all these interesting information about the after life
i am also looking forward to meat my dear cat pet who was killed by our neighbors and see him in the after life
i miss him so much and i hope i well get to meat him someday

Your welcome.  I believe you'll see your cat again.  My beloved pet cat was run over last year and it was heart breaking.  I saw her 4 or 5 times in my APs.  I pet her and she was her friendly self, rubbing up against me.  In life her fur was really soft, and in my AP, her non-physical fur was the softest thing I've ever felt in my life.  I'll always remember that!  I hope this brings you some comfort. 

[Lost soul]

Your welcome.  I believe you'll see your cat again.  My beloved pet cat was run over last year and it was heart breaking.  I saw her 4 or 5 times in my APs.  I pet her and she was her friendly self, rubbing up against me.  In life her fur was really soft, and in my AP, her non-physical fur was the softest thing I've ever felt in my life.  I'll always remember that!  I hope this brings you some comfort. 

Thanks again its really makes me happy to know about these hopes

[Fusions]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TW4hnbUW6Y this covers the hellfire thing aswell

[Lost soul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TW4hnbUW6Y this covers the hellfire thing aswell

Thanks for the video i really enjoyed it
And i think i found the answers i need