Heya
Unfortunately, i am quite seriously mentally ill; and as a result of the severe stage of which it has reached am trying to astral project with my friend from another country as a desperate attempt to even have a chance at curing my illness. I am under several different doctors, but have continually gotten worse as a result of not being properly assessed or understood by them.
During this time, I have been to several mediums of which put me into contact with my grandparents, who are trying to help me from the spirit world; but as they are not around me all the time there is not alot they can do.
My aunt told me about Astral projection, and that she managed to achieve it with my other aunt about 20 years ago. At first I was not sure about what she was saying, but her story was verified by my other aunt who met her on the astral plane who clarified that it was not a subjective dream, but an occasion which both of them shared; they had a conversation on a bridge while astral projecting, and to make sure that it wasn't a dream, compared their accounts with one another the day after to find that they were identicle.
Therefore, I am attempting to astral project to see what i will find which can help me in the Astral plane, such as an angel or spirit guide in order to atleast stand a chance against my illness (which i do not appear to currently have). I can really only hope for something beneficial, no matter what size, as I do not have much hope left.
While attemtping astral projection, i have managed to experience tingling in my fingers, but only for a brief time, and have serious difficulties concentrating on very simple things (causing more anxiety than I allready have).
Well, I believe that it is very essential that I manage to do this for my own survival, I have read several articles or guides in which help with astral projection, but they never have a part which accounts for the complications of my illness or how to get around this problem; therefore I am slightly stuck at this point.
So mainly, this illness hinders my ability to relax, concentrate and having wants (as a result of being in a state of total acedia and a nihilistic attitude) even while listening to binaural beats. The rest of my illness is quite difficult to explain, but is there any way to temporarily suppress my anxiety but also promote my motivation and concentration? I have been on medication for my anxiety for a long time, not that it has helped at all.
I am aware that astral projection is a real thing and I believe for many reasons that it could help me with my problem where other things just can't, is there anything else I should or could do in order to help this process?
What I am currently doing is;
- Pointing my head to magnetic north
- Lostening my clothing
- Listening to binaural beats
- Trying to relax and think about nothing
- Attempting to concentrate
- Trying to believe it is going to happen
- Laying down
- Trying to want it
Is there ANYTHING else which I could or should do to maximize the effectiveness of this process? Really i need to try everything and anything.
Thanks for the help in advanced.
P.S: Earlier today, I was able to bring myself to the stage where most of my body buzzes, I think i must have come close, but my illness interferred and i am not able to get to that stage again.
You should probably figure out your mental issues FIRST.
Projecting will only amplify your problems.
Never do any metaphysical work when you're unbalanced.
I recommend you read this topic. The site mentioned has a free ebook which will provide you with some good methods for projecting quickly.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_techniques_on_youtube-t30865.0.html
Quote from: Xanth on March 04, 2010, 09:52:08
You should probably figure out your mental issues FIRST.
Projecting will only amplify your problems.
Never do any metaphysical work when you're unbalanced.
Well, that is not possible unfortunately. I am hoping that a spirit who understands my problems will be able to give me the right help. I am doing this because I really do not have a choice, i am constantly getting worse and have been for 1.5 years now, it would be worse to do nothing at this point.
QuoteI recommend you read this topic. The site mentioned has a free ebook which will provide you with some good methods for projecting quickly.
Which post is the ebook in? The topic starter only has two youtube videos, or is that what you are reffering to? The narrative is very hard to follow.
I thought it was important that I typed this. I've suffered with metal illness for many years now (Depression). The easiest way that I can project is when I wake up in the morning to go to the toilet. When you go back to bed consentrate on rocking. Mentally pretend your doing it physically, but not really physically. As your going to sleep, you will feel like your really rocking, and eventually you will roll out onto the floor.
It's also important that you know I do come across a few baddies who want to hurt me, but I know that this is something that I've created. I thought it was important I added this. Also, I've had many good experiences AP, which I've woke up many times very happy.
The next time I go to sleep and wake up, i will try that.
When in the astral plane, do people who want to help you from the spirit world approach you? I feel like i can only be helped by someone who understands my problem.
Quote from: Losh Wi Thang on March 04, 2010, 09:13:42
Heya
Hi Losh.
QuoteUnfortunately, i am quite seriously mentally ill; and as a result of the severe stage of which it has reached am trying to astral project with my friend from another country as a desperate attempt to even have a chance at curing my illness. I am under several different doctors, but have continually gotten worse as a result of not being properly assessed or understood by them.
Before I go into more detail about what Xanth said, I will ask- is the problem related to persistent hallucinations? If so, this may not be for you. If it is affective (that is, about emotions or lack of them) then you may be ok- maybe. However, if the problem is about making judgements about reality, then this may not be for you, for very serious reasons. Eventually I'll get around to this.
QuoteMy aunt told me about Astral projection, and that she managed to achieve it with my other aunt about 20 years ago. At first I was not sure about what she was saying, but her story was verified by my other aunt who met her on the astral plane who clarified that it was not a subjective dream, but an occasion which both of them shared; they had a conversation on a bridge while astral projecting, and to make sure that it wasn't a dream, compared their accounts with one another the day after to find that they were identicle.
This does sound genuine- bridges (porches, other transitional locales) are common images in projection.
QuoteTherefore, I am attempting to astral project to see what i will find which can help me in the Astral plane, such as an angel or spirit guide in order to atleast stand a chance against my illness (which i do not appear to currently have). I can really only hope for something beneficial, no matter what size, as I do not have much hope left.
While attemtping astral projection, i have managed to experience tingling in my fingers, but only for a brief time, and have serious difficulties concentrating on very simple things (causing more anxiety than I allready have).
If the problem is anxiety, the breathing exercises in meditation (something you need to engage in) may be helpful, even if for the relaxation benefits.
QuoteWell, I believe that it is very essential that I manage to do this for my own survival, I have read several articles or guides in which help with astral projection, but they never have a part which accounts for the complications of my illness or how to get around this problem; therefore I am slightly stuck at this point.
So mainly, this illness hinders my ability to relax, concentrate and having wants (as a result of being in a state of total acedia and a nihilistic attitude) even while listening to binaural beats. The rest of my illness is quite difficult to explain, but is there any way to temporarily suppress my anxiety but also promote my motivation and concentration? I have been on medication for my anxiety for a long time, not that it has helped at all.
Wants are not necessary for trance, in fact detachment from want is actually a good thing. You already know you want to do this, anything else is unneccesary.
QuoteI am aware that astral projection is a real thing and I believe for many reasons that it could help me with my problem where other things just can't, is there anything else I should or could do in order to help this process?
We'll see.
When you go into a trance, what you are doing is changing your brainwaves in which you can then see what you usually miss when you are sleeping. The in-between state is the optimal state for getting out of the body (or projecting your consciousness out of it), but it is also the state where you can see hallucinations projected by your brain, when it gets the signal that your body is asleep. That's why mental illness is so difficult- if you have the type of illness in which you have trouble telling the difference between things that are there and things that are not there (or voices in your head vs. voices from people that are there) then this is not for you, because you will experience these types of effects, and this can really freak anyone out, but someone with an emotional imbalance will suffer more- it can push you over the edge.
If however, you can cultivate an attitude of 'disinterested observer', then it may be helpful, even beneficial, to practice the meditation needed to take you to a deep trance state.
QuoteWhat I am currently doing is;
- Pointing my head to magnetic north
This is not necessary. Even though the etheric body may or may not be emf, emf is everywhere nowadays, and chances are that in your location the emf field are all over the place, so the idea of polarity may sound 'scientific' it probably has no effect. However, if it makes you feel good to have this orientation, by all means, do it.
Quote- Lostening my clothing
Comfort is key. Loosening clothing is fine, but if it makes you cold, make sure you are comfortable the way you are dressed.
Quote- Listening to binaural beats
Binaural beats are beneficial to get you to trance easily, and to help you know how trance feels (and to cover up ambient noise, that may be distracting) but I don't know many people who project while listening to them. I usually have 'after' effects from listening to them, I usually would project 6 to 8 hours after listening to them, not during. I think bb's are great for relaxing, though.
Quote- Trying to relax and think about nothing
This is a double-edged sword. Most people have anxiety around 'trying not to think', which defeats the purpose. Instead, try to busy your mind with nonverbal activities- breathing exercises, counting backwards, visualize the feeling of going up in a balloon, floating, going up stairs, etc. These are designed to keep your mind busy but at the same time not think of 'what's happening today in your daily life', or just verbal thoughts. So instead of striving for blankness, visualize blankness, create it.
Quote- Attempting to concentrate
Same as above.
Quote- Trying to believe it is going to happen
Don't believe anything- know it's going to happen. If you can't, use affirmations before you try, not during.
QuoteP.S: Earlier today, I was able to bring myself to the stage where most of my body buzzes, I think i must have come close, but my illness interferred and i am not able to get to that stage again.
Instead of expecting vibrations, expect something else- expect to see color blobs in front of your eyes, expect to hear noises or voices- these expectations do not put you in the body, they keep your attention on your mind.
Finally, if you still don't feel relaxed enough when the exit sensations come, try doing some energy body loosening before an exit technique.
Good luck.
QuoteWhich post is the ebook in? The topic starter only has two youtube videos, or is that what you are reffering to? The narrative is very hard to follow.
Just Google OBE4U and you'll find the site. Ebook link is on the left of the main page.
Quote from: CFTraveler on March 04, 2010, 11:47:15
Hi Losh.
Before I go into more detail about what Xanth said, I will ask- is the problem related to persistent hallucinations? If so, this may not be for you. If it is affective (that is, about emotions or lack of them) then you may be ok- maybe.
Thankfully I am not psychotic, nor do I suffer from such things; but i would say reality is distorted, but in a very 'different' way one would describe such symptoms of 'unreality' or that related to any psychotic illness.
My illness is mainly amnesia and concentration related; i am/have been slowly (or lately, very quickly) losing my identity and such.
Quote
This does sound genuine- bridges (porches, other transitional locales) are common images in projection.
If the problem is anxiety, the breathing exercises in meditation (something you need to engage in) may be helpful, even if for the relaxation benefits.
Wants are not necessary for trance, in fact detachment from want is actually a good thing. You already know you want to do this, anything else is unneccesary.
We'll see.
Well, the thing is, I have extreme acedia; i do not care that i do not care about myself, even though i might want to care about the things which are important to me. Because i don't care, it might affect what it means to have 'desire' for something.
QuoteThis is not necessary. Even though the etheric body may or may not be emf, emf is everywhere nowadays, and chances are that in your location the emf field are all over the place, so the idea of polarity may sound 'scientific' it probably has no effect. However, if it makes you feel good to have this orientation, by all means, do it.
Comfort is key. Loosening clothing is fine, but if it makes you cold, make sure you are comfortable the way you are dressed.
Binaural beats are beneficial to get you to trance easily, and to help you know how trance feels (and to cover up ambient noise, that may be distracting) but I don't know many people who project while listening to them. I usually have 'after' effects from listening to them, I usually would project 6 to 8 hours after listening to them, not during. I think bb's are great for relaxing, though.
This is a double-edged sword. Most people have anxiety around 'trying not to think', which defeats the purpose. Instead, try to busy your mind with nonverbal activities- breathing exercises, counting backwards, visualize the feeling of going up in a balloon, floating, going up stairs, etc. These are designed to keep your mind busy but at the same time not think of 'what's happening today in your daily life', or just verbal thoughts. So instead of striving for blankness, visualize blankness, create it.
Same as above.
Don't believe anything- know it's going to happen. If you can't, use affirmations before you try, not during.
Instead of expecting vibrations, expect something else- expect to see color blobs in front of your eyes, expect to hear noises or voices- these expectations do not put you in the body, they keep your attention on your mind.
Finally, if you still don't feel relaxed enough when the exit sensations come, try doing some energy body loosening before an exit technique.
Good luck.
I will try to do those things, thanks.
QuoteJust Google OBE4U and you'll find the site. Ebook link is on the left of the main page.
Found it, thanks.
I still seem to be having alot of trouble. I am trying the indirect technique, but usually when I wake up I cannot remember anything, therefore I do not remember to try the technique or what the technique was.
Also, is it normal to feel disorientated when moving the imaginary hand?
When I manage to finally astral project, how will I feel? Will I feel myself as opposed to now in my current circumstances?
Also, is there another way to achieve this state where intruding thoughts or desires cannot interfere with the process?
Lol disorientated. I 99% of the time use rollout. Some times I don't rollout onto the floor, but instead just keep rolling in body.
Quote from: The_One on March 06, 2010, 13:58:34
Lol disorientated. I 99% of the time use rollout. Some times I don't rollout onto the floor, but instead just keep rolling in body.
I meant, I can't tell whether my illness is the cause of that or it is normal.
I think your thinking to much into it. If you try rollout like I said, just write something down on paper next to your bed. So when you go back to bed, you can try the technique I mentioned.
It can take a little while to program the mind when using the indirect techniques. Try to fall asleep with a strong intention - that part is really crucial. You should get results if you stick with it, but if you don't after several weeks, then maybe this method isn't right for you in which case you should maybe switch to the direct methods.
Well, I have been trying still to get into AP, I have also heard that when you dream, you are in a private part of the Astral, and that it is possible for someone to enter your dream. I have tried asking my friends who are trying to help me to get into AP this way, but they have all been unsuccessfull at accomplishing AP so far; as have I. My illness is very aggressive, and in a way seems to have a mind of its own; it stops me from entering AP consciously because it knows it has potential for helping me or curing me of my illness.
Well, I have not been safe in a long time, therefore I am trying to arrange to go into a temporary, controlled coma induced by an anesthesiologist for a while; could being in this state help me, or the spirits around me (and apparently my angel) have an OOBE or AP? My faith in the idea of entering AP to get help this way is well deserved, as my mother was told by a medium recently; even though I did not tell my mother, the medium knew that I wanted to meet my angel, who is apparently very willing to help me. She also noted, that I would make a great friendship with this person, as he/she is alot like me.
Is an angel and a spirit guide the same thing? Or are there some differences?
Have you considered other routes of metaphysical healing?
APing takes time, practice and a lot of work. I agree that you should be balanced before you AP.
Let me share some personal opinions. I am a psychology student and a metaphysical practitioner. I don't believe that any psychological illness can be cured by medication. Medication masks the problem, it doesn't cure the cause. I also don't believe that some people are just born with neurotransmitter balance problems that can never be resolved. You are here with this problem for a reason. You are learning something from all this.
I know what it feels like to feel like your behavior is not you. With that in mind, I recommend Trance Healing Sessions, or Soul Healing. The idea behind it is that you have some kind of energy attached to you. It may be an actual entity or more likely emotional energy from another person or entity not of this plane. This kind of healing removes those "clingers on" so that you can express yourself. I have had this done for help with my addiction problems and it was like night and day. One day I was a fiend the next day I wasn't. It also feels good to know that your problems really aren't you.
Lifestyle changes can be helpful also. (IMO) One of the biggest reasons for a psychotic break is because that's what "they" want to happen to all of us. Our soul is yelling "NO! Don't live like this! I'm suffocating here!" but our brain and body has been indoctrinated and programmed since birth to live in nearly complete competition to our soul's desire. That's hard to manage, especially if you're naturally inclined toward metaphysical pursuits. Take for example schizophrenia. In "third world" countries (places untouched by our corruption) in indigenous tribes, a schizophrenic is recognized as someone who lives between worlds. They can see the unseen that only the shaman can see. Once they are identified, they are taken as a shaman's apprentice and their gifts are encouraged and shaped. In the western world, schizophrenics are treated as lepers. They are seen as unfit to participate in society and are subsequently locked up in institutions and medicated with unnatural drugs. What do you think that does to their symptoms? They're already trying hard to cope with all the people around them who live in a way that doesn't make sense. Now you tell them they're crazy, they're dangerous and they need to be locked up? It just makes the schism in their mind larger until they break permanently.
You might also try Reiki or something similar to clean up and balance your energy.
Don't take benzos (xanax, valium, etc.) if you're trying to project (if it's possible for you to not take them, if that's what you're on). They make you pass out and mess with your ability to focus. What helps me sometimes is Valerian Root. It helps me relax. I also found this sleep formula or natural herbs, that if I just take half a dose I can gain a single-minded focus for 20minutes at a time easily. It's called "Fatigued to Fantastic: Revitalizing Sleep Formula". I don't know what the ingredient is that makes it so easy to focus, so I would try to find that product. But I'll still give you a list of it's ingredients:
Valerian Root 200mg
Passion Flower 4:1 90mg
L-Theanine 50mg
Hops 6.6:1 30mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf Extract 18mg
Jamaica Dogwood 12mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf 10mg
Naturally, talk to your Dr. before you take these, just to be sure. But I think they're all safe with medication.
Quote from: personalreality on April 02, 2010, 12:08:22
Have you considered other routes of metaphysical healing?
APing takes time, practice and a lot of work. I agree that you should be balanced before you AP.
Let me share some personal opinions. I am a psychology student and a metaphysical practitioner. I don't believe that any psychological illness can be cured by medication. Medication masks the problem, it doesn't cure the cause. I also don't believe that some people are just born with neurotransmitter balance problems that can never be resolved. You are here with this problem for a reason. You are learning something from all this.
This illness which does not deserve to exist in the first place, does not teach me anything; it is the polar opposite, it takes away my intelligence, wisdom, knowledge, memory, etc. I am not learning anything from this other than 'i stood no chance from the second it was formed'.
QuoteI know what it feels like to feel like your behavior is not you. With that in mind, I recommend Trance Healing Sessions, or Soul Healing. The idea behind it is that you have some kind of energy attached to you. It may be an actual entity or more likely emotional energy from another person or entity not of this plane. This kind of healing removes those "clingers on" so that you can express yourself. I have had this done for help with my addiction problems and it was like night and day. One day I was a fiend the next day I wasn't. It also feels good to know that your problems really aren't you.
Through intuition, I have discovered that. The only problem is that nobody else knows it, I will constantly get counterproductive advice from my care co-ordinator and psychiatrists who tell me that 'you are doing this' and 'if you are not in control of yourself, then who is?' (rhetorically speaking) based on the fact that they cannot understand me at all. The situation surprisingly reminds me alot of the film 'anger management', but for a different problem.
QuoteLifestyle changes can be helpful also. (IMO) One of the biggest reasons for a psychotic break is because that's what "they" want to happen to all of us. Our soul is yelling "NO! Don't live like this! I'm suffocating here!" but our brain and body has been indoctrinated and programmed since birth to live in nearly complete competition to our soul's desire. That's hard to manage, especially if you're naturally inclined toward metaphysical pursuits. Take for example schizophrenia. In "third world" countries (places untouched by our corruption) in indigenous tribes, a schizophrenic is recognized as someone who lives between worlds. They can see the unseen that only the shaman can see. Once they are identified, they are taken as a shaman's apprentice and their gifts are encouraged and shaped. In the western world, schizophrenics are treated as lepers. They are seen as unfit to participate in society and are subsequently locked up in institutions and medicated with unnatural drugs. What do you think that does to their symptoms? They're already trying hard to cope with all the people around them who live in a way that doesn't make sense. Now you tell them they're crazy, they're dangerous and they need to be locked up? It just makes the schism in their mind larger until they break permanently.
I do not believe that anyone is crazy, that just seems like a flippant word some people use to describe a person which is deviant or that is not understood. Before this illness, my lifestyle was fine, this illness has pushed me away from it as I do not want to change my memory of it while experiencing it with this illness. Well, I am aware of this indoctrination in other people, but for some reason I have never been affected by it, I have allways been who i want to be until this illness.
QuoteYou might also try Reiki or something similar to clean up and balance your energy.
Don't take benzos (xanax, valium, etc.) if you're trying to project (if it's possible for you to not take them, if that's what you're on). They make you pass out and mess with your ability to focus. What helps me sometimes is Valerian Root. It helps me relax. I also found this sleep formula or natural herbs, that if I just take half a dose I can gain a single-minded focus for 20minutes at a time easily. It's called "Fatigued to Fantastic: Revitalizing Sleep Formula". I don't know what the ingredient is that makes it so easy to focus, so I would try to find that product. But I'll still give you a list of it's ingredients:
Valerian Root 200mg
Passion Flower 4:1 90mg
L-Theanine 50mg
Hops 6.6:1 30mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf Extract 18mg
Jamaica Dogwood 12mg
Wild Lettuce Leaf 10mg
Naturally, talk to your Dr. before you take these, just to be sure. But I think they're all safe with medication.
Wow, thanks. I have been looking for something similar which will help my ability to focus for other reasons aswell. Does this have a similar effect to the stimulants issued to ADD patients?
Hmm ... Well, at this moment, I'm not sure that kind of meditation is for me. Meditation as far as i know requires a relaxed state, whereas for me, I cannot relax or I will lose focus on myself.
No, it's not like Ritalin or Adderal. These supplements are sedatives. I suppose one of them may act like ADD drugs, if I had to guess I would think that it is either wild lettuce or L-Theanine. I have experienced most of the others by themselves and they are just sedatives.
Let me first say that I am not a licensed Dr. of any kind, still a student. But I consider more than just what the professional literature says. But I do have lots of theories and opinions and experiences with human behavior. I have to say that it sounds like you're accepting that you are stricken and have lost hope that there is anything you can do about it. Believe me when I say that I know what that feels like. I'm a recovering addict and nothing ticked me off more than people telling me that I was making my withdrawal or cravings worse because of my mental state. I mean, they always said, "just don't think about it", but how the hell are you not supposed to think about it when your whole body is constantly reminding you that you aren't well. However, I did find that by forcing myself to do things that seemed difficult, I felt a lot better.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record around here, but I just detoxed off of opiate replacement medication lately (think methadone) and while it was easier than kicking heroin, it still sucked, really bad. The worst part was that my heart rate shot up really high, ultimately leading me to take myself to a hospital. While the really bad part is over, I still have residual problems with anxiety and high heart rate. It seems that my system is still really sensitive and even the slightest amount of a stimulant causes my heart to race (can't even drink coffee or soda anymore). The anxiety is nearly unbearable sometimes.
It's hard, but I have been forcing myself to continue my AP practice, meditation, energy work, etc. When I say it's hard, I mean that the anxiety and high heart rate refuse to let me relax. My mind is constantly racing and I can feel my heart through my whole body. I have the worst urge to constantly move which makes it near impossible to sit still long enough to induce trance or meditate. But I have been forcing myself to do it all and it's making things better. I worry that from how you're describing your experience that you may be preventing yourself from relaxing before you've even tried because you feel bad. I get that. I did that. But eventually I couldn't take it anymore and made myself do it. It really helps. The more I do my energy work the better I feel.
I really really really think you should find a metaphysical healer and try to get a cleansing. It may take time and a few treatments, but it helps.
It's said that the Valerian root can be a natural alternative to anxiety medication as well.
The anxiety as it is, isn't a problem; infact it's necessary, but it's just what's causing it that is.
I have been to spiritual healing, would that be the same thing as a metaphysical healer? I had been to 7 sessions and did not receive any benefit.
Well, I didn't really want to ask this on a public forum, but does anyone here mind helping me get into astral projection externally? So far my friends haven't been successful in achieving AP at all, and I haven't due to I believe my illness. Right now at 5 am it's kind of an emergency; if i am not dead allready.
I believe this will work, so long as I get there. I can't rest without knowing i'm in safe hands, and there appear to be none available to me at this time.
Try finding someone in your area that might be able to help. Like www.meetup.com is a pretty big place to meet a group of people in your area. Just put in your zip code and astral for the topic and BAM, people to meet up with in your area. Let me know if you find some thing.
Also I might add that often times when you feel bad physically or mentally it often has to do with hormones. Most main stream doctors don't know how to fix this problem. Most anti-aging doctors know how to fix this. You might need some bio-identical hormones. Maybe progesterone or testosterone DHEA. I don't know. You have to get tested. I have been dealing with a lot of conditions my self over the years. In that time I have learned a lot of things in alternative and main stream medicine. If you have low energy and weight gain your adrenals could be burn out. Can't help you too well if I don't know what your problem is.
Sleep is very very important for healing. If you don't wake up every mourning feeling refreshed then you need to fix that. Hormones can help that too. Melatonin and 5-HTP are great for that.
I hope you get better. I am concerned, it sounds serious.
I feel where you are coming from, since like I said I have dealt with many heath conditions myself.
If you want to talk further in-depth you can email me. Hope to hear from you.
Well I do not really think it has anything to do with hormones, it's down to other things.
I honestly can't see it as realistically possible to - due to the stage this has reached - get help from the usual channels; and I believe that I won't survive without a miracle of cosmological if not dimensional proportions, if I am not dead allready.
Well, about that meetup, I'm not sure that anybody I find on there would either be able to do AP or would be willing or understanding enough to do it. I try not to ask the only person I know who can achieve it, because he comes up with the idea that I am being tested to see how I can deal with the situation, when dispite explaining it to him, am not able to deal with it at all; and can be overbearing and arrogant to what he knows nothing about.
Unfortunately, due to my illness, I can't consciously achieve AP either, so I cannot get there without somebody elses external help.
I have heard that, when you dream; you actually enter a private, subjective part of the astral. However, in the astral plane people may also enter your dream; and astral projection is also achievable through a dream state. If somebody was able to enter my dream, they could be able to help me get into AP by any means, by force if necessary (obviously i mean metaphorically).
Aside from that I don't really know who to ask, none of my friends have yet been able to achieve astral projection in order to help me; I know that if I can't get into it soon that I won't really have a chance to survive existensially.
Like I said I am concerned. You really need help. I know sometimes when your dealing with a big condition it's easy to miss somethings simple that con make a big difference. I know I have been there. Click on my user name and sent me an email and we can talk about this further. Maybe I can help. Like I have said I have done a lot of research on all kinds of things medically and diet related. I have been through a lot my self. If you want a good second opinion email me and lets talk.
I sent you a private message, did you receive it?
Where has the rest of my thread gone?
In the latter pages of my topic, I explained some important things about someone helping me with astral projection finding an interdimensional splice (hole) within my aura.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/server_issues-t31927.0.html
There were server issues a few weeks ago... the forum was rolled back to how it was June 21st.
We lost 2 months worth of posts.
Oh, i see. Thanks for the information.
Damn.
Basically, as I posted before in my thread before the forums went down, about my companions encounters when he intended to help me in astral projection; he found a gathering of 5 spirits within my aura (spirits related to me somehow) who are trying to do what they can to help me.
My companion noted that the most significant one which he was drawn to was an oldly dressed spirit 'not from this era', who wore a tophat. When my companion tried to enter my aura, he wasn't able to penetrate it, as if it acts as some kind of forcefield or protection. When he tried to enter it, the oldly dressed man with the tophat approached him, and told him that he wouldn't be able to enter unless I gave a signal out (which i unfortunately do not know how to do) and that, if he does get in, that he needs to be careful for his own safety, as he said there is a multi dimensional or inter dimensional hole/rift in my aura, which is causing my illness.
This is the conversation transpired over MSN.
QuoteAsmodean says:
*the compelx is in its a muiltidiemensional abyss almost like a hole
QuoteAsmodean says:
*i spoke to the man in the hat
*and it is more complex
*than i thought
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Is it because of my illness
*which makes it complex?
Asmodean says:
*havto be a little careful
*he advised me
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*oh, i see
*hold on, i'm trying to gather my thoughts
Asmodean says:
*for my own self
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*for your own self?
*what could happen to you?
Asmodean says:
*the compelx is in its a muiltidiemensional abyss almost like a hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*but hold on
*i'm trying to keep up with what you're saying
*so is this me?
Asmodean says:
*your illness
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*this multidemnsional hole?
Asmodean says:
*yes
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's my illness which is affecting my ability to grasp this
*oh
Asmodean says:
*your illness is just a symptom
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's my illness?
Asmodean says:
*its not even the main thing
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*wait
Asmodean says:
*no
*its just a symptom in this diemension
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i am confused
*ehh
*wait
Asmodean says:
*your illness
*is but a symptom
*of a greater interdiemensional issue
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*So this multidimensional hole is my illness?
*Then i was right in saying to my doctor
*that this is caused by something else
*but wtf
*How the hell did this happen?
Asmodean says:
*no such thing as right just opinion
*ask the man in the hat
*this what he told me
*i dont really know dude
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i wish i could
*but how did this multimensional hole occur?
Asmodean says:
*its interesting though
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Well
Asmodean says:
*he is quite powerful this man
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's not really due to the consequences
Asmodean says:
*it seems
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*Who is he?
*Because from your description
*i can't relate to him
Asmodean says:
*you tell me
*i dont know him
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i really don't know who he is
Asmodean says:
*not t much to do with me
*or any connections spiritual i have
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*But what did he explain exactly
Asmodean says:
*to my ancestors
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*from the beginning
Asmodean says:
*i already told u
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*word for word i mean
Asmodean says:
*it doesnt go in words
*its feelings
*aswell
*pictures
*emotions
*colours
*best i can do is translate a little of my experience
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*Is that a better way of explaining things then?
*But what could happen to you
*if you mess up
*i mean
*you said you were in danger
*Could my illness somehow affect you?
*or be transferred to you in a small proportion?
*if so, how are the spirits gathered near me staying safe?
*are you there?
Asmodean says:
*here
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*welcome back
Asmodean says:
*my safety is my own concern as is your own safety
*i am just cooking as i said
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Allright
*I know, but i just wanted to know how this could affect you or endanger you
- Then later on, the conversation continued -
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*but abouit what you found in astral projection
*can you explain again what you found?
Asmodean says:
*difficult
*no real words
*in nglish
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Because i don't know what you mean by multidimensional hole
*or i can't remember
*what you explained
Asmodean says:
*its not like we sit down and have tea and cake
*and a conversation
*yeah
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*or what did the tophat spirit say to you?
Asmodean says:
*like that
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*or explain
Asmodean says:
*careful
*for myself
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*yes
Asmodean says:
*as i said b4
*the illness is a symptom int his diemension of an interdiemensional issue
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*this? or his?
Asmodean says:
*this
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*allright
*So what is that interdimensional/multidimensional hole?
*how the hell did it get there?
Asmodean says:
*lol i have no idea
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*he didn't say/
Asmodean says:
*we never got into anyhting like that
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i thought maybe
Asmodean says:
*not at all
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*he would have told you more
*because you could explain it to me
Asmodean says:
*inverted
*if i could say anyhting really
*like a inverted perceptional hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*the whole was 'inverted'?
Asmodean says:
*or reality hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*oh, i see
Asmodean says:
*kinda
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*that makes sense to me
*i think
Asmodean says:
*like a diemensional splice
*in a way
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*dimensional splice?
Asmodean says:
*small abnomally
*not entirly uncommon
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*huh
Asmodean says:
*but uncommon for a being to be in one
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*wait
*i am trying to understand what you mean
*small anomoly*
*you mean?
Asmodean says:
*ye
*in the eidos diemension lvl 2/3 i would say
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*also i don't know what a splice is
*like
*i don't know how to visualise it
Asmodean says:
*split
*maybe
*but still joined
*between 2 diemensional layers
*a splice
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
Asmodean says:
*little hole
*anomoly
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*because i am trying to explain this
*on the astral pulse
*to see if anyone can help me
Asmodean says:
*at the spot
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
Asmodean says:
*sure
Had to write the rest of this post in a seperate post, since the message window was playing up for some reason.
Would anybody know about a multi dimensional hole or how somebody could help me? The offer still stands for someone to get into astral projection to see if they can find out anything with what's going on around my spiritual 'person'.
I find it extremely worrying that nobody here knows about anything, anything to do with interdimensional holes or how to correct them when trapped in the aura of a spirit. That must mean that I am in some considerable danger.
I feel very uncomfortable asking this here, but due to the state/nature of my illness, I think that I need to ask here for some kind of urgent assistance from the perspective of the ethereal planes.
I have asked two of my friends, who are trying their best to support me to help me out through astral projection, they have had remarkably positive results, and one of them got into it totally by accident for four hours and didn't know he got into it until he came out of it and suiddenly realized that he wasn't having a conversation with me physically, although he was responding to my thoughts, in the time I was imagining having a conversation with him and him recalling everything I thought about in sequence. He has been rather lucky having had such good results with it so far, I think it's because, adding to a number of different things he has described to me, he seems very attuned to the other dimensions + ESP stuff which he didn't know what they were until I explained it to him. Although, none of them have fully gotten into it yet, only partially or while unaware.
However, I am in need of urgent help; and my friends haven't been able to do it yet unfortunately, so I have no alternative than to ask here, given that this is a domain of experienced astral projectors. I find myself screaming constantly because that's the only appropriate thing that I can do.
Losh,
It's painfully clear that you have mental issues that need to be addressed before you're able to project consciously.
You might want to go talk to a professional, because nobody here is qualified to help you.
Sorry...
First of all, I have tried to help, but I really have no idea at all what you're talking about.
Whatever your perceived problem is with inter-dimensional holes, it's a metaphor for something in your mind. Objectively speaking, I don't really know what an inter-dimensional hole is or how it's effecting you. If you just need an energy body repair, then you could seek the help of a shamanic healer, that's what they do, recover pieces of a damaged energy body. But again, in my opinion, your energy body is a metaphorical representation of your psychological state. I would suggest determining what this hole is supposed to represent.
You are also quite capable of healing yourself without the need to project your full awareness into the astral. Visualization can be just as effective in astral healing.
QuoteLosh,
It's painfully clear that you have mental issues that need to be addressed before you're able to project consciously.
You might want to go talk to a professional, because nobody here is qualified to help you.
Sorry...
As you may well know, that I'm not particularly trustworthy of doctors or, and as verified by experiences, trust somebody of that one track caliber with the proportions of my illness. Every time I have been to a 'professional' it has just made the situation worse because they refuse to see it as anything which isn't easy to refer to from a diagnostic handbook.
They aren't regarded as 'bad doctors' by their institutions, they are trained to think/practice as if all disorders/problems strictly come from the diagnostic handbook. Anything else I'm sure would need 10 years of 'scientific study', after probably a straining campaign of persuasion. I'm sure I would be dead by then.
Basically, I have been trying to encourage my friends to get into it because they are more likely to understand me. Additionally, there are spirits in the astral who are trying to support me (grandparents + ancestors). With them they are a lot more likely to get a grip of understanding over it more than any professional I've been to who somehow believes his basic training constitutes as a real understanding of the mind/people. I really don't agree with their knowledge base/institution because it just seems to be far too rudimentary, out of touch with reality and one track to help anybody with real problems.
I was keen to try regression therapy at first (if you know what that is), that has helped thousands of people with a rainbow of problems, with miraculous results. With regression therapy (Yes, like past life regression, but this is for current life) you are taken back in your mind, in the 'state' it was back to an earlier time to alleviate, or to completely erase a certain problem. This is done by from when shifted back to that time and reliving the experience, changing the perspective of the problem; so that it no longer is a problem (Helping you perceive something clearly and truthfully to understand how to deal with it). Although I couldn't go for that, since my doctor refused to endorse it since the practice isn't 'scientifically proven' over here yet.
Conceivably there is no way to solve my problems without getting help from people who actually understand it first, from either the spirits who are supporting me or anybody who manages to see my problem in astral projection first, rather than essentially getting into astral projection first. I'm hoping that I can meet my angel/spirit guide (are they the same thing?), since he/she is supposedly a lot like me.
QuoteFirst of all, I have tried to help, but I really have no idea at all what you're talking about.
Whatever your perceived problem is with inter-dimensional holes, it's a metaphor for something in your mind. Objectively speaking, I don't really know what an inter-dimensional hole is or how it's effecting you. If you just need an energy body repair, then you could seek the help of a shamanic healer, that's what they do, recover pieces of a damaged energy body. But again, in my opinion, your energy body is a metaphorical representation of your psychological state. I would suggest determining what this hole is supposed to represent.
I figured that, although I was only using that terminology since that's what the person who astral projected told me. Although I am slightly mystified by this, because the way it was put accross made it sound as if it -was- an actual interdimensional anomoly; as in something which actually exists in that dimension. The same way in this dimension there are black holes, and they aren't only real for one person. The language used was 'this is a thing which exists in another dimension, and that my illness is just a symptom of this hole (the part which I notice). In other words, he was saying that whatever this hole is, it's something you don't notice. And that, interdimensional holes are 'very' rare to be stuck inside a spirits aura, but fairly common in the general ambiance.
I really have no idea what this means either, this is what this person told me. I tried to ask for a bigger explanation, but it was kindof 'that's all there is about it, it's just that and he doesn't know a whole lot about what they are either'. I really have no idea what this means.
QuoteYou are also quite capable of healing yourself without the need to project your full awareness into the astral. Visualization can be just as effective in astral healing.
I am, although I have been trying to do that for the past two years that I have had this illness. The problem is more of, stopping this illness from inflicting damage on me so that I can have a chance to 'properly' recover. The cunning behind that is that it needs to be outwitted, which is why I need to get help from somebody who understands it in its' entirety; to anybody else it is invisible/doesn't exist.
what is your actual problem?
Quote from: personalreality on October 19, 2010, 11:50:46
what is your actual problem?
It's not really easy to explain clearly in any way which doesn't just explain the symptoms. I am struggling to understand it myself, although since it compromises my ability to atleast 'think', it's difficult for me to even explain what's going on (or get ontop of a clear understanding of it). This is why the action is necessary for one of my friends, or even me (which I believe I would have a clearer perception over things, rather than the subtle distortions of my illness), if anything, that's really the only way I can be helped. I can't trust my judgement if you can call it that, to explain it to somebody past the amnesia/distortions.
I've been trying to ask my friends to make a post here to see if they can pick up any extra tidbits/advice to help them further their distance into getting into astral projection, although they are a bit concerned about new communities/crowds.
I believe that such a thing will work.
By the way, I should still try what you suggested about those herbs. I have velerian root.
maybe they can explain it to us. all you're giving us is deflection and avoidance, excuses why you can't explain. and that's fine, but we can't help if you don't help us understand.
It sounds like he's waiting for a perfectly clear metaphysical reason for whatever this mystery ailment is...
Sorry to say Losh, but I don't think your problem has anything to do with or can be cured by anything in the Astral.
That isn't deflection or avoidance. That's not being able to explain it; as I said in my post.
QuoteIt sounds like he's waiting for a perfectly clear metaphysical reason for whatever this mystery ailment is...
It doesn't have anything to do with it. I don't care about the metaphysical side for being any more than being a means to understand something, you are taking my words completely out of context.
QuoteSorry to say Losh, but I don't think your problem has anything to do with or can be cured by anything in the Astral.
Well it can because it's a psychological problem. Niether would you know what that is anyway.
And from what people make out, the astral plane is the realm of the mind. I don't know where you get that I need a metaphysical explanation for something or how that would help.
Quote from: Losh Wi Thang on October 19, 2010, 12:36:59
That isn't deflection or avoidance. That's not being able to explain it; as I said in my post.
If you can't explain it, we can't help you.
We've pointed you towards a few resources who MIGHT be able to help you.
But in the end you have to help yourself first.
Sorry Losh.
I can't explain it, which is why I have asked my friends to take a look at it 'first hand' in astral projection, and anybody else who may potentially want to help. If I could explain it in any way I felt satisfied with, I wouldn't need to ask for people to potentially attempt astral projection in order to see it with better mental cohesion.
QuoteWe've pointed you towards a few resources who MIGHT be able to help you.
Well I could try a Shaman, so long as he knows what he/she's doing. It probably depends on the ability of the practitioner, as it does with mediumship or psychic healing.
QuoteBut in the end you have to help yourself first.
Well yes, which is what I have been doing for the past two years and which is why I have asked people for help rather than deteriorated in silence.
a shaman's job is to help you heal your shadow self. re-integrate the pieces of your "light body" that have fractured due to whatever cause. i feel that would be the most appropriate course of action with the limited information.
what xanth is trying to say is that he thinks you may need to be medicated.
how is your emotional state?
This website isn't about helping people with psychological problems. In fact, AP isn't recommended for people with psychological problems, and messing with your subconscious and inviting other people to mess with it could make the problem much worse. It sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.
Plus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe. I do wish you get help, but I'm not so sure anyone here could be of help in that manner. And again, that's not what this website is for. We can send you energy and prayers though.
Quote from: Stookie on October 19, 2010, 14:39:08
This website isn't about helping people with psychological problems. In fact, AP isn't recommended for people with psychological problems, and messing with your subconscious and inviting other people to mess with it could make the problem much worse. It sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.
I think that's reffered to more along the lines of people who suffer from psychotic symptoms, in which that could intensify some of the problems that person has, but I could be totally wrong. I really didn't want to ask publicly on a forum, I just feel like I have no choice. But my friends or anybody else aren't invited to mess with it, since whoever goes there is supervised by the spirits who are trying to do what they can to support me. The point is for them to understand me, NIETHER would they do something like that intentionally.
QuoteIt sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.
No ... I didn't say
anything like that. And if my post was even read by anybody, then as I said one of my friends has already done it. And it is treatable from the physical providing that it's understood first.
QuotePlus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe. I do wish you get help, but I'm not so sure anyone here could be of help in that manner. And again, that's not what this website is for. We can send you energy and prayers though.
No, but given it's application it would be stupid not to.
I really don't think my initial post was understood properly. The intention behind inviting somebody into my astral presence was for them to understand me. The reason I ended up asking on a public forum is because I felt that I had no choice.
QuoteEspecially if your relying on people who can't AP yet.
Is because recently to the state it's reached I felt like I had no other choice, which is why I asked a community of experienced astral projectors. My friends who are supporting me, considering the application of astral projection agreed that it would be a good idea since it gives them a good way of understanding and consequently solving it, it doesn't have anything to do with magic, I am meeting them halfway; as are my grandparents/ancestors there to give them all the help they need. It's not any magical remedy, it's simply using that form of medium to understanding my problems.
It doesn't have anything to do with having a metaphysical answer because that's more fun, I'm not really interested in the idea of metaphysical (if you want to call it that) stuff outside of the use of pragmatic purposes; since I'm sure it can be used as an effective tool to help people (knowledge, for a start).
QuotePlus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe
But what does that mean other than somebody has never considered it or tried it? I don't think you really understood how I described it anyway.
It's no more magic than the way the spirits who are trying to support me, understand it. Or keep watch in my spiritual aura.
Additionally, I did know what is wrong, and I knew it would be solvable through astral projection. Although my memory problem can potentially result in me forgetting things which I recall, so I'd rather not take the risk and end up being misunderstood anyway and then not being able to correct people on their misunderstanding due to not remembering the situation.
Quotea shaman's job is to help you heal your shadow self. re-integrate the pieces of your "light body" that have fractured due to whatever cause. i feel that would be the most appropriate course of action with the limited information
That sounds reasonable, how would a Shaman do that? Is he aware of what he's doing (as in, is he controlling something intentionally through some kind of metaphysical level)? Are there any possible risks to that (probably not I expect)? By the way, just to let you know, I have been recommended this before but I didn't know enough about it to pursue it.
Sorry, I don't know what a Shamantic Healer really is. I'm a bit nervous about such things, since I am a bit apprehensive that a person might not know what they're doing, although I'm particularly fine with spiritualist mediums, since it's my spirit guardians who are giving them the messages, aswell are they getting what they pick up by extra sensory means.
Quotewhat xanth is trying to say is that he thinks you may need to be medicated.
What kind of medication?
Quotehow is your emotional state?
I'm not really sure how to answer that. I'm not essentially happy or perhaps comfortable, although I'm trying to keep focused to remain stable. I have to constantly meditate (or concentrate) in order to not get worse faster.
QuoteWe can send you energy and prayers though.
And thanks.
You will have to speak to a shaman to gauge their skill, trust your intuition.
But they usually act through physical ritual, which effects the astral. Often times they will use astral projection (sometimes called Shamanic Journeying, but it's the same thing) to achieve these ends. Sometimes they don't need too.
The idea is that they astrally repair your damaged energy body.
There you have it, a few suggestions for you to try out to find some help for yourself.
We do highly suggest NOT looking for help in the Astral NOR on an online forum. :)
Goodluck Losh.