Difference between WILD and Phasing?

[Myfreaky]

I have had this exact question burning in my mind for quite some time.  I think there is a reason nobody has responded to it!  WILD must be the same exact thing as phasing.

[Jeff_Mash]

Ok, I'll throw in my two cents here.  First let me preface by saying that even though I have had traditional OBE's & phasing OBE's, I do not profess to be an expert on this.

First, I'll explain the way I see the difference between a traditional OBE and phasing.  For me, a traditional OBE involves the feeling and separation of exiting the physical body, whether this happens by lifting out, rolling out, sitting up, etc.  There is a physical feeling of separation....sometimes accompanied by the famous vibrations......you may feel a strong, magnetic force which also seems to pull at your astral body until you can get far enough away from the physical shell lying nearby.  This to me is the start of a traditional OBE.

Phasing, on the other hand, bypasses all of that.  Instead of going from darkness to vibes to separation, the person sort of FADES from the darkness right into the astral environment.  As an example, you may start to make out a scene or place that slowly comes into view while your eyes are closed.  Simultaneously, the waking physical world fades out and this new world fades IN.....so that within a few seconds, you are fully immersed in this new, three dimensional world.  That is phasing.

As an example, close your eyes right now.  Then slowly start to open them.  The darkness fades away, and your computer monitor starts to fade into view......until finally, your eyes are completely open, and you are aware of everything around you.  Now you can turn your head and look around, and not only do you see, but you feel your astral head turning, your astral body responding to your thoughts, etc.

Contrary to what MajorTom said above, there is no difference between phasing and the traditional OBE EXCEPT for the exit.  When I get out by phasing, once I am in the environment, I feel every bit as awake, alive, and physical as I do when I exit from a traditional OBE.  There is still a sense of an astral body....you aren't simply a point of consciousness.  I have had these point of consciousness projections before, and that is what I have considered to be a mental projection (of the mind)....since there is no sense of a body involved at all in those.

So back to the original question of this post: what is the difference between a WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream) and Phasing?  Nothing!

It all depends on your terminology.  I am a simple minded guy.  I like to stick to the basics when it comes to defining things, and basically, if you are having an experience, and you KNOW that you are dreaming, then you're having a lucid dream.  On the other hand, if you KNOW that you are awake, then it's an OBE/Astral Projection.  Period.

The trouble that people get into is that they try to analyze their experience AFTER THEY COME BACK, and this is where they get into trouble.  Why?  Because after you come back, you start using your physical brain to analyze non-physical esperiences, and the physical brain starts trying to be rational for you.

"Well, you were in your bedroom, but you also saw an elephant in your backyard.  So logically, since this is impossible, I conclude that you were having a dream.  But since you were lucid, then this wasn't a *real* experience, but a very lucid dream."

I don't agree with that line of thinking.  If you are consciously aware of things, then that's it. You have your full conscious mind present with you.  There is no such thing as a dream and a non-dream.  You are always operating at various degrees of consciousness.

Dreams are remembered when you come back from being *asleep*.  OBE's/AP's are remembered DURING the experience, WHILE you are *asleep*.  At that very moment, you know that you know that you know that you're awake and having an OBE somewhere else, away from your body.  If any weird imagery or objects occur while having one of these experiences, it could be a reality fluctuation....something that happens when your imagination gets a little more control than you want it to....and it will either create something very real in that environment, or it will interpret something else incorrectly.

I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to bore anyone (plus I am at work and don't want to get in trouble!).  I hope my explanations help someone.

** Note ** I think I will make this post a separate topic as well, since it's pretty detailed.

[Patrik]

I think Jeff's explaination was very good, though I would like to add some thing to what he said, if anyone don't mind.

Personally I think there are three ways to access the astral plane.

1) The first one is the classic OBE, you feel separate from the physical body and enter the real-time zone using your energy body/double.

2) Phasing, you enter the astral through a hypnogogic image, create an image which you "step into" or enter it using a portal/gateway in the 3D darkness.

3) What some people call "channeling", which is however not related to spirit channeling. With this way you can remain centered in physical body, use your hands to type etc, while "seeing" the astral realms. This type if more vauge and not as detailed.

We all have many bodies, we have the physical body, the etheric body, the energy body in the realm-time zone. We also have many bodies in the different astral levels, as well as in the higher dimensions. When we do an external projection into the real-time zone, we feel ourselves leave the body, and uses the energy body - we feel more as a point of conciousnes.

From the real-time zone we can enter the different levels, when we do that we switch body, and leave the more unstable energy body behind. One can also switch back from the realms to the energy body and real-time zone, but not as easy. The external projection is usually a bit more clear, but can have memory problems, also more "fun" since you actually feel yourself leaving body, which gives it more of a "real" feel.

When doing phasing, you skip the entire real-time zone and energy body process and go straight into one of the 7 levels or sub-levels and enter a realm. When doing this you imidiately go to the bodies you have there, which are more "solid" and stable, hence you feel you have more of a "body" there. When doing phasing, one can, it seems either feel as a gignat "head" or TV (usually through the portal). But also actually feel you use the body you have in the levels, which you always do in hypnogogia, but also very common in gateways/portals... I think that somehow one can choose, but not sure how.

This method is not as clear, but that doesn't mean it's unclear either it usually feels pretty close to an external projection (into the real-time zone directly), but you usually don't have the memory problems involved in external ones.

While we sleep the energy double will be projected, even stated by Robert Bruce. This energy double will lay floating above the bed, in bed, or walk around looking drunk. One can often "wake up" this energy double, in which case the sleeping person will become aware, and depending on circumstances he might or might not remember it (very likely he won't, depending on how deep he is etc). When one has a concious projection or OBE, one can experience reality fluctuations caused by the subconcious, small things will change etc. If the fluctuations become too much, one can loose onself into the subconcious and will end up in a dream. However when this happens, one is usually concious, but very confused... One knows that one is outside of body, and often that things just does not make sence... however you still go on with it, believing in what you see. Trust me, this is very confusing, and you usually realize when you get back to body what has happened.

For instance you might be OBE, fall into a dream and see someone you know. You know you are out of body, but the person sees you, you get confused... You know he/she should not be able to see you, since you are out of body... Still the person does, you become confused... do experiments, waving hands in front of him, he reacts... You become even more confused, snap back to body realizing what has happened and that you were in a dream.

However when one does phasing, one does an internal projection... As Monroe realized, internal space and external space is the same. One goes straight to the realms, skipping the energy body part and the conciousnes transports to the more solid astral level bodies. Since you techniqually are asleep though, the energy body will be projected, just like when having an OBE or falling asleep. However the conciousnes is not centered in this body, so it will once again laying next to physical body in bed, or walking around looking drunk.

If one goes from the level bodies to the energy body, one again centers in this body, will walk around like normal awake. However now the level body will begin to act strange, walking around all dizzy.

This post became quite long, but I hope I helped a bit, and not just confused things further.

[ralphm]

After pondering this a bit I propose that a WILD is phasing into someone else's created reality, but astal phasing is jumping directly into an existing astral realm or into a realm that you create. HMMM-this is getting fuzzy again-it just seems like phasers want to create there own place or return to a place that seems comfortable to them.
Maybe defining things is confusing-what is important is the awareness you bring to the experience and what you get out of it.

[Patrik]

Robert Monroe went from the classic OBE into phasing later in his life, he called it the "quick switch" method. He came to the conclusion that internal space and external space is the same. And since the levels contained the "interesting" stuff, i.e. afterlife etc he went over to phasing because of the speed of it and the fact it has less memory problem issues.

In other words, doing phasing according to Monroe takes you to the same place but skips the entire real-time zone process hence entering the level bodies imidiately from wakeness.

Mystics believe that hypnogogia is a form of clairvoyance, and according to Samael when in this state one can see places and faces of the astral realms. I believe that WILD is an missconception for phasing, and that people who do WILD do not realize it is a real place. But also that one can "step into" an image created by oneself, or the subconcious and that one has to learn the difference. In which case it is more accurately a WILD, and you enter a "fake" scenario. But just like one can clear away the subconcious images from a lucid dream and see the astral for what it is, one can leave the subconcious images in a WILD and again see it for what it is.

I think this is something which comes with experience. When meeting people you can always know if the characters are real or not, and if you know they are all real, then most likely the place is real too.

I think hypnogogia is a good way to do phasing, but if you think you don't have the ability to tell truth from fiction use the portal/gateway method for phasing if you can. However do take in mind that the subconcious always does slight changes in the real-time zone too, and the higher up in the levels you get the more subjective the experience becomes, while still being just as real (interpitations of the energies).

[Blackstream]

Somethings been bugging me for awhile, and that's that I can't see the difference between WILDs and Astral Phasing.  In both you wait till you see hypnagogic imagary, perhaps try mentally seeing a image to shape the picture you see, then after a bit, "pop" into the image.  But however, one is supposed a lucid dream, and one is a OBE.  I.e., one takes place inside your head and one outside.

I've heard the theory that dreams are in the astral as well, in which case there is no difference between WILDs and Phasing, other than your POV:)

But if dreams do in fact take place in your head (and Bruce's talk about the mindsplit seems to support this), I have a further curiosity, how do you know that when you phase, that you are in fact in the astral and not an lucid dream that mimics the astral?  The way people describe the experience phasing (the method to achieve, no mindsplit, easier to recall, ect), it makes it seem as if it might not actually be an obe.

Sorry about all the questions, but I must admit this phasing thing has me baffled:)