Is something seriously wrong??

[BlueTone]

First off, This is my very first post on this website, but i have read many threads, and really like what this place is doing. I am a ridiculously large fan of Robert Bruce, own both Astral Dynamics and Mastering Astral Projection: 90 Day Guide. I am a 9 year student of an old style martial arts, Kung Fu based that has a great deal of Qigong ( Kung Chi ) Training involve, and have been cultivating my bodily energies for quite sometime. Now, even though i have been trained to cultivate these energies for the sake of toughening my body, improving speed and accuracy, and the such.....It is still the very same life energy that is responsible for any Metaphysical Phenomenon.

With that sad, I'm having a very serious problem. I have been, on and off, practicing conscience projections for about 5 years....Sense i had a guided projection by my teacher about 6 years ago. The first experience blew my mind to where i simply had to find out more. I had about 2 experiences after that on my own....But I've run across a whole new problem.

The last 6 or so attempts that I've had, something frighteningly wrong is happening. I'll reach the deep level of trance, loosing almost all sensations of my body, feeling as tho I'm hovering just inches off the floor. Right when i enter the vibration state i begin an exit technique. Then, suddenly, I feel as tho heartbeat just takes off. Now i know the heart Chakra can mimic this sound, so i try very hard to ignore it. But then it just gets painfully strong, and i find it hard to breath. It ends up breaking away my concentration and i sit up. BUT, when i sit up, i put my hand on my chest, And its my actual heart, beating that erratically. Its actually like a painful misfire, that causes my heart and entire chest to just Freak out!!......I thought it was fear, And i went past that. Now, i just don't understand what it could be. Am i entering the vibration state while my body is still away, and I'm " physically " experiencing them?....thus freaking out my body?.....I just don't understand why it keeps happening?


Any and all help or info would be more than greatly appreciated.

~Ryan D. 

[justin35ll]

I'm sure someone else will chime in, but I've had this happen to me a few times while trying to conciously project. I don't think it was as intense as yours, but it seemed like it was happening to me because I was afraid of the unknown. This was before I had an OBE. And I would get so worked up thinking I was about to exit and my heart would start to race.
Seems like you're pretty familiar with the subject though. Why not trying to ask one of your teachers

[Xanth]

Hi Ryan   Welcome to the Pulse.

If you feel it *IS* your physical heart racing, then, as Justin said... it's probably just due to the unknown.
You'll get more comfortable as you get more experience.

~Ryan  (I'm Ryan too!  )

[BlueTone]

Well thats whats weird. I've had a few projections. Now, i did take a good year or so break, Because this started happening. I remember having 3 projections in about a month, and then suddenly, its as if my body starting to interfere?

As far as asking my teachers, I'm no longer in contact with my Master. i've stopped taking his class about a year ago. I do self advancements, but thats about it as far as that is concerned =D......sides, He's way to "Chinese"...He always said things like " If the door appears....Just walk in, But make sure your ready to see whos inside " .....A bunch of innuendos.

Thanks guys ^_^....

[solarity]

when something like that happens I just tell myself.. well what's the worse thing that could happen, I die?, and I'm cool with that.. since the end result would be the same. The brain controls the body so it would be the brain/mind interfering if anything.

[BlueTone]

So funny that you say that. I went through this 6 month era where i kept getting very high to a point of severe vibrations. Im one of those that experience vibrations as if i've been picked up by Luke Farigno and Shook with all his might. But as soon as that happens, My entire self is just RUSHED and FILLED with fear. I know, even at that moment, theres nothing to fear....Nothing to be afraid of.....But the sensation of fear itself still rushes through me.....I'll try and push myself through it,.....But it just leads to my heart taking off, and it being very hard to breath.

Then i shake myself out if it, and get very ticked off. Lol

[BlueTone]

Well, Isn't that just great........

I just got done with another attempt. I reached what i like to call, Phase 2 of Relaxation, Past the Heaviness, and into the light areas. Heart began raising. I felt the beating in my entire chest, and down into the top parts of my stomach. I noticed i was able to keep my breathing slow, so i just assumed it may have been my Heart Chakra. After trying to slow it, It sped up. So, i tried some more to slow it down.....It sped up more. I felt no fear whatsoever, However it sped up so bad, i could not breath once again. I shook out of it, Went into my bedroom, and told my Girlfriend to put her hand on my chest.....Her response was, " My god baby, Your heart feels like its gonna pop outa your chest?!? "

This really isn't making any sense -_-.....


I'm running out of ideas, Because i seriously felt no discomforts, or emotional distractions this time, Just the racing heartbeat. I never had this problem before!?!?

[T.L.]

The last 6 or so attempts that I've had, something frighteningly wrong is happening. I'll reach the deep level of trance, loosing almost all sensations of my body, feeling as tho I'm hovering just inches off the floor. Right when i enter the vibration state i begin an exit technique. Then, suddenly, I feel as tho heartbeat just takes off. Now i know the heart Chakra can mimic this sound, so i try very hard to ignore it. But then it just gets painfully strong, and i find it hard to breath. It ends up breaking away my concentration and i sit up. BUT, when i sit up, i put my hand on my chest, And its my actual heart, beating that erratically. Its actually like a painful misfire, that causes my heart and entire chest to just Freak out!!......I thought it was fear, And i went past that. Now, i just don't understand what it could be. Am i entering the vibration state while my body is still away, and I'm " physically " experiencing them?....thus freaking out my body?.....I just don't understand why it keeps happening?

It could be as little as subconscious anxiety causing it. For instance I went to a boot camp in Uvalde, Texas over the course of a summer. It was as mentally draining as physically. One day out of the blue my heart just started beating irregularly sometimes to the point where my heart would stop altogether and I would feel this immense pressure start to build then I would start to black out. Then as I hit the brink of falling to the ground it would let out one huge contraction that was very concerning as was painful. Anyway ever since one a day sometimes multiple times a day my heart will beat irregularly ever since. I've seen a lot of doctors about this because it is a little concerning to me. Anyway a few years later a doctor decided to have me wear a portable heart monitor and sure enough they could see the irregular heart beats. They did a ton of tests, and eventually had a echo stress test and decided it was anxiety related. Even with my irregular heartbeats I never had a problem like this arise while out of the body. Just something to think about.

[T.L.]

Also I might add that when I have these irregular heart beats that are supposedly caused by anxiety, I am not anxious or worried at all consciously. If anything it has to be subconscious because I'm a pretty laid back person and do not worry about anything. I always just go with the flow. However these things have happened persistently since the boot camp in 1998, and when it happened whether it was conscious or subconscious anxiety I had plenty of reason to be stressed out. It's just like something snapped and caused my heart to do that, but once it happened it became like a set pattern that can't be undone. So now anytime I get this subconscious anxiety of whatever it may be from it just sets that trigger off in my heart. So if I were you I would figure it out before it becomes some kind of set pattern that you will have to learn to live with.

[nickspry]

I'd go and get an ECG done if I were you. The reason I say that is not because I think you have anything physically wrong with you, but until you prove to yourself that you don't, there will always be that doubt and anxiety which will cause your heart to race and interfere with the process.