Help with my fear of the "dark entities"?

[enchatned24]

Hello!

I've been attempting to have an OBE for a little while now. My efforts have not been met with any apparent success, and I think it is becuase of my fear of the "dark entities". I have heard stories from others about encountering such beings and this frightens me. I am afraid of not being able to defend myself, or getting caught by one or being attacked.

I really would like to explore the astral realm, but I feel like it is this fear that is keeping me from my goals. Does anyone have any suggestions how to overcome these sort of worries? What should I do? I am aware that many would advise to mentally project a sphere of white protective light around me before attempting. Will this be enough?

[Lionheart]

 Hello, ignore the stories. It's stupid things like that that keep people away from the wonder of the Astral World. If your expectations are to meet "dark entities", then "dark entities" you shall meet. In the Astral Thought = Action. You must go into this with an open mind but with air of curiosity. Learn to meditate first so you may be at peace with yourself. Never Phase when you are angry or upset. Go in with Love in your heart and you will find "loving things" there.
Good Luck and Safe Travels 

[Szaxx]

Hi and welcome to The Pulse.
Have a read of the FAQ section. Lots of answers to many questions there.
As said YOU are in control and whatever you THINK youll meet will be there. It takes getting used to. On rare occasions now, I get shouted at (my voice) for trying to get out when I know its time for work. This I am doing to myself as I think ' its too late to travel'. It wakes me up as expected.

[kurtykurt42]

As said YOU are in control and whatever you THINK youll meet will be there.

How can you be sure of that?

[Stookie_]

Hello!

I've been attempting to have an OBE for a little while now. My efforts have not been met with any apparent success, and I think it is becuase of my fear of the "dark entities". I have heard stories from others about encountering such beings and this frightens me. I am afraid of not being able to defend myself, or getting caught by one or being attacked.

I really would like to explore the astral realm, but I feel like it is this fear that is keeping me from my goals. Does anyone have any suggestions how to overcome these sort of worries? What should I do? I am aware that many would advise to mentally project a sphere of white protective light around me before attempting. Will this be enough?

Does the fear of being mugged keep you from leaving your house? Or fear of a car accident keep you from getting in a vehicle? It's the same thing... you don't think "but what if ____ happens?"  You think about all the awesomeness and growth and experience that will come of it, and let that be your motivation for success. If something fearful does comes up, you'll face it and become a stronger person.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
When initially practicing all thoughts brought some related action. Going through walls and thinking Ill get stuck was one. Thinking theres something watching me brought the fear of a shadowy figure. Typically this flies toward you and you think that you cant escape it. you see, this is a result of your own thought processes and it wakes you up abruptly. Its scarey but its all your own thoughts. Eventually you learn to deal with it.
Its also in the SOBT.PDF (school of out of body travel) a very good download to read for those who are learning
Its taught me a few things after 40 years of travels too.

[kurtykurt42]

Hi,
When initially practicing all thoughts brought some related action. Going through walls and thinking Ill get stuck was one. Thinking theres something watching me brought the fear of a shadowy figure. Typically this flies toward you and you think that you cant escape it. you see, this is a result of your own thought processes and it wakes you up abruptly. Its scarey but its all your own thoughts. Eventually you learn to deal with it.
Its also in the SOBT.PDF (school of out of body travel) a very good download to read for those who are learning
Its taught me a few things after 40 years of travels too.

What does the school of out of body travel say about dealing with entities that aren't created by YOU and don't care about what you THINK?

There are no facts when it comes to this topic, only theories. The entire topic of OBE is based on the expereinces of others. There is no technology to measure these other dimensions which we travel and therefore it can't be proven. There are however accounts of gifted indivuduals that have proven, at least for me, that it is possible to travel to a dimension similar to this one. The RTZ I believe it's referred to by most people here. If this dimension exists, then beings from other worlds can most likely also access it and therefore you will encounter many different things on your journeys, as I have. Things and "people" that aren't created by you and don't know or care who you are. Whether you are good or evil, there to destroy them, or there to be friends. So, as I've learned... Be careful and don't put all your faith into a .pdf document or the posts on a website forum.

[ryan1337]

Kurt,
   Can you really "destroy" other entities as you say? Do all the legitimate external entities really not care who we are? In your opinion, of course.

[kurtykurt42]

Kurt,
   Can you really "destroy" other entities as you say? Do all the legitimate external entities really not care who we are? In your opinion, of course.

Anything can be destroyed.

As for your second question. I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what a "legitimate external entity" is. Something or someone that exists outside this dimension that is not governed by your thoughts? Well, The universe is a pretty big place... over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars with who knows how many planets. If you do plan on exploring the Universe, expect the unexpected.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Re the sobt, it says if you want something to catch fire think of it and itll happen. Ive not tried this one but  large explosive devices I have, BIG ones.....
You can morph into anything your imagination can generate, Ill agree with that, its another thought of not being beat by some tiny thing.
Ive always found a gun under a rock to remove problems in my early days and knew it worked on anything. The intent in that was enough to remove anything persistant.
If something is running after you then fly, you know they cant or they wouldnt be running.
Think as this and nothing will scare you.
If you have had bad experiences and cleared it up then share, Ive had some too but always won in the end.

[ayearhasgone]

Let me say this.

Those who have gone out of body with a SCIENTIFIC mindset have never encountered a "dark entity."  Sure, they ran into things that they didn't understand from time to time, but nothing "bad."

People who think they run into dark entities are meeting with their own fears.  In an out of body state, thoughts are things.  So if you believe that dark entities exist, and you suddenly worry about running into one, you're going to run into one.  Is it real?  No.  But thoughts are things. 

I used to believe in demons.  What a load of crap. 

[nitebreez]

I've been following this thread with great interest.  (Actually,...I've been lurking in the whole forum off and on for quite some time now)   

Anyhow,...over the years (yes,..MANY years) I have always come sooooo close to AP,...but something always happens.   You know,...the vibrations,...the feeling of falling through the bed,...umpteen episodes of sleep paralysis,...actual "lift-off" only to lapse into a common dream, total lucid dreaming,..then the dreaming lapse again (etc. etc. etc. etc. etc).

I think what does me in,..is always this underlying fear thingy.  I know intellectually not to fear.  But fear just jumps on me anyhow.  What can work?  Meditations? Affirmations? 

[kurtykurt42]

Let me say this.

Those who have gone out of body with a SCIENTIFIC mindset have never encountered a "dark entity."  Sure, they ran into things that they didn't understand from time to time, but nothing "bad."

Who ever said the dark entities were bad? Just because something makes you afraid doesn't mean it's evil. A "dark entity" to me means someone or something that doesn't give off much light and prefers darkness.

People who think they run into dark entities are meeting with their own fears.  In an out of body state, thoughts are things.  So if you believe that dark entities exist, and you suddenly worry about running into one, you're going to run into one.  Is it real?  No.  But thoughts are things.

I used to believe in demons.  What a load of crap. 

There seems to be some confusion here about what astral projection is and how it works. Astral projection assumes the existence of one or more non-physical planes of existence and an associated body beyond the physical. Commonly such planes are called astral, etheric, spiritual, etc. Astral projection is often experienced as the spirit or astral body leaving the physical body to travel in the spirit world or astral plane.

One of my theories is that this "astral plane" exists in your own mind. Your thoughts make it up and you are the master of everything that happens. Another theory is that there might actually be some space in the Universe that allows for thoughts to become reality and your astral body teleports to that region of space/time when you astral project.

The "etheric plane" on the other hand is a copy of the physical plane. Every star, planet, and life form exists as energy instead of matter. Here, your thoughts don't matter. Thinking doesn't create anything, it only allows you to communicate telepathically with other people and anything or anyone from other worlds that doesn't speak your language.

I'm not sure if I have a "SCIENTIFIC mindset" but I have encountered a "dark entity" on more than one occasion. As well as entities that attach octupus-like tenticles to a persons body and drain there energy and control there thoughts and actions. Making them do horrible things like killing there children, wife or husband and then themselves... So, if that's not bad, then I'm not quite sure what is.

[AndrewTheSinger]

enchatned24, try putting the image of your favorite superhero or superheroes watching over your bed, see if works, and do not fear entities.

ayearhasgone, you cannot deny the existence of something, because that would infer that you know everything, have explored everything, and have seen everything. If you haven't done that, then it's neither wise nor 'scientific' to conclude such a thing.

[ayearhasgone]

There seems to be some confusion here about what astral projection is and how it works...

I think we have to agree to disagree here.  I don't like the term "astral projection" because I find the notion of one's soul/astral body/whatever separating from the physical to be outdated.  I consider myself a student of the Monroe school of thought, where there is no separation in consciousness-- I am Here and There simultaneously. 

ayearhasgone, you cannot deny the existence of something, because that would infer that you know everything, have explored everything, and have seen everything. If you haven't done that, then it's neither wise nor 'scientific' to conclude such a thing.

I do not know everything.  But my I/There knows all there is to know about the Earth Life System, and I have consulted with my I/There many times.  There are no dark entities. 

There are plenty of lifeforms out there that certainly aren't very nice, but the concept of demons and dark entities is simply too religious for my taste. 

[kurtykurt42]

I think we have to agree to disagree here.  I don't like the term "astral projection" because I find the notion of one's soul/astral body/whatever separating from the physical to be outdated.  I consider myself a student of the Monroe school of thought, where there is no separation in consciousness-- I am Here and There simultaneously. 

There are plenty of lifeforms out there that certainly aren't very nice, but the concept of demons and dark entities is simply too religious for my taste. 

Outdated? The most recent research into NDEs and RV shows that individuals are able view anything anywhere in space/time. How exactly can you do that without separating from your physical body?

[majour ka]

Hello, ignore the stories. It's stupid things like that that keep people away from the wonder of the Astral World. If your expectations are to meet "dark entities", then "dark entities" you shall meet. In the Astral Thought = Action. You must go into this with an open mind but with air of curiosity. Learn to meditate first so you may be at peace with yourself. Never Phase when you are angry or upset. Go in with Love in your heart and you will find "loving things" there.
Good Luck and Safe Travels 

Yes well said...Ive never come across or met anything that can hurt you in the Astral or the spirit world...I believe its just construct of peoples minds 

Read the frank Kepple resource, that might help you 

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[ayearhasgone]

Outdated? The most recent research into NDEs and RV shows that individuals are able view anything anywhere in space/time. How exactly can you do that without separating from your physical body?

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.

At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

[kurtykurt42]

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

If you say so.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

It's possible to travel non-physically to any point in space AND time. Therefore you could have seen your friend reading a book yesterday, a week ago or even a year from now.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.

At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

Unfortunately, in reality, you don't know any of that for sure...

[majour ka]

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.



At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

Hi, while agree in principle of the idea of consciousnesses being infinite, it has to be really there is no other way.
I still have to question if the conversation under the tree was with your mind made version of your friend in the astral....just saying...because had you visited her primary focus of consciousnesses it would have been with her at the shops.
One thing we might agree on here, is that when you project astraly you feel what is very much like a separation from your body into the non physical focus, so whether your just extending your consciousnesses or not it is still that Out of body experience.
eg If i sit with my eyes open I can leave my body "so to speak" and I will have no conscious awareness of my physical at that point, ie my physical eyes no longer see the room, but my spirit mind sees the room....so yes I may be be in both all places but my conscious awareness is still out of body ...OBE

Regards

[kurtykurt42]

It is a pointless debate... consciousnesses could easily be finite. There might be "physical" and "non-physical" planes of existance. You might not be here and there simultaneously. And "places" may exist regardless of our Focuses of Attention. Prove me wrong.

[majour ka]

It is a pointless debate... consciousnesses could easily be finite. There might be "physical" and "non-physical" planes of existance. You might not be here and there simultaneously. And "places" may exist regardless of our Focuses of Attention. Prove me wrong.

Lol yeah true, but its also good to share ideas and perspectives "I do not promise to believe tomorrow exactly what I believe today, and I do not believe today exactly what I believed yesterday. I expect to make, as I have made, some honest progress within every succeeding twenty-four hours".  Andrew Jackson Davis

[kurtykurt42]

Lol yeah true, but its also good to share ideas and perspectives "I do not promise to believe tomorrow exactly what I believe today, and I do not believe today exactly what I believed yesterday. I expect to make, as I have made, some honest progress within every succeeding twenty-four hours".  Andrew Jackson Davis

The point I'm making here is that there are no facts, only theories and the experiences of others. So, when people like ayearhasgone foolishly claim to have the answers I enjoy pointlessly debating there ideas.

[CFTraveler]

The point I'm making here is that there are no facts, only theories and the experiences of others. So, when people like ayearhasgone foolishly claim to have the answers I enjoy pointlessly debating there ideas.

I resemble that remark.   

[Szaxx]

Hi,
@ kurt,
It may seem subjective but when you experience several clairvoyant scenes and ALL of them happen exactly to the finest detail, your perspective certainly changes for ever.
The nasties you have been party to were definately hideous and I'm sure very real. I've been to places too where the walls were made of trapped souls and once they grab hold of you that's your end. They all were bad, nasty people and that's theirs because they believed it to be their damnation. Its a horrid place and there's even worse than that. The pit was one where I never went to but it exists in some form as a punishing belief system generated by those who fear satan. Do you not feel this when meeting entities, search their minds using telepathy and you'll understand that. You have the experience I'm sure. Look to yourself as a god like entity and the dark ones stay well away. On the other side of the proverbial coin is the place of pure white light. The entities there despise humans. They hate any war mongering forms and regard us as slime (primordial). They read me instantly and I couldn't even see or feel anything of them, totally locked out and they are the only ones ever that I have not been able to read. They also impressed in me Id never return and I can't get back there too.
The physical and all our knowledge on everything amounted to one grain of sand in a vast desert. This is the reality of it. Its so IMMENSE the more you see the less you actually know.
We are gods children is a saying with some meaning moreso metaphorically.
Fear nothing and nothing can scare you.
That's the beauty of beating nightmares, you learn to deal with it.
Hope this helps you understand to look at the bigger picture.