Death

[Vallk]

I am not sure I understand...
You want to commit suicide to wait for her???

[WalkerInTheWoods]

If you kill yourself to be there before she is, then who will be here with her now while she is alive on the physical plane to give her comfort? I am sorry but I cannot answer your question. I have not met anyone that says they have commited suicide on the physical plane. I personally do not believe in a Hell in which people go to burn for all eternity just because they did not worship the right deity or because they did something wrong. I do think that people can create their own hells because of their own fears, guilt, depression, etc. I find what you want to do honorable but not very practical or logical. I think the best thing you could do for her is to show her how to project so she will see that there is more beyond the physical for herself. Buy her books and direct her to websites such as this so she can learn. Your death is not necessary for her. Many others have gone on before her that will be there to comfort and protect her.

[Vallk]

I'll tell you what I think.
I don't believe in hell either.

I've read in a book about souls the story of a man who commited suicide in his past life and was hypnotized to know what happened. Actually, we can read the dialogue he had with his guide after his past death.

It shows that he had to have an explanation with his guide about his failure to complete his mission on earth. He would then regress in his evolution (this is if you believe in reincarnation) and would have to try again in another life. His guide was not proud of him and made him analyze what he did.

The difference with you is that the guy commited suicide to escape from a difficult life.

In your case, I totally agree with fallnagel77. I don't think commiting suicide to help others is a good way to help. You should not "sacrifice" your entire life to this point for someone else, maybe your role is rather to help her go through this with your experience. Tell her beautiful stories about the astral plane. You know I am not ill, I am not dying, and reading all I read made me much more comfortable with death. I guess it could be very helpful and hopeful for someone dying.

There are a lot of books about how the dead beloved come to welcome you in the new world. This could help her feel she will not be alone.

[Dog Faced Liar]

Yeah, I have heard of a regression in evolution as well, its called involution, and you supposedly that isn't a good idea, because you become an ape, and it will take you along time to get into, a higher evolved living creature such as a human. As well as you would shorten your next life, and still have to deal with your problems. What you could do is help her, and make sure when she cellular dies, that she has the help she needs waiting for her and the protection and strength that she needs

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

I am so sure I could ever be on anything, that there is no HELL in the sence most people perceive hell, as a place downunder (sorry all of you aussies, didn´t mean it that way) where there are terror and fire and those sorts of things all over...  but I am sure there could be a place perceived as a hell within, it is a state of mind, created from negative thought patterns.  That is why I believe many suicide attemptors who almost die trying to kill themselves, but is "brought back" in the last second, perceive they were going to hell or perhaps even "visited hell" - because of the state of mind they were in when they tried to commit suicide.

Silverball, even if you want to do the right thing and want to be there for her when she passes on, killing yourself is absolutely not the way to go, that I am sure of. As someone said, who will be there for her if you take your life before she pass on?? And if you are thinking of taking your life just when she has passed on to help her and be with her, how do you think that would make her feel, she would most likely feel she was responsible for you taking your life.
And - what about you??  Killing yourself couldn´t be the plan for your this life now could it? No matter what belief system you might have I strongly doubt it can justify that...  I see suicide as a "crime" against oneself, as well as against god/force/... (or what you want to call the universal lifebringer)

Killing yourself is never the right way to go, sure it will be painful when/if your girlfriend goes before you, but that is something everyone has to cope with, and don´t worry about her not "being taken care of", she will not go to "hell" nor will you, or anyone else, that is my opinion on this at least, more than that I can´t give.

 And she being scared of death, that can be very tough indeed, and very understandable, the unknown is the most scariest one has to face.  But I´m sure that fear will vanish soon after "death", when the unknown becomes known. Everyone needs to face their fears sooner or later.

So what you can do is to be there for your girlfriend as long as she is with you, helping her cope with her fears, and that is really all you can do, nothing more can or should be asked for by anyone.

   Take care //Qui-Gon


- Your focus determines your reality -

[Dog Faced Liar]

I don't necessarily believe in hell either, but you could possible weight your soul and end up in the center of the earth.

[silverball]

Thanks for your replies, I have heard that people who love you will be there waiting when you pass, and I have also heard of a man screaming at the people in the emergency room to not let him die because he was being tormented.  I dont know what to beleive, but I do agree with you fallenangel, she does get more comfort with me being with her.  My job requires me to travel a lot, but I call and talk to her every chance I get, and I also spend all of my time with her when I am at home.
    I guess the best thing I can do is just stay here with her until she passes, and try to live my life the best I can, although I know it will be tough without her, my life has revolved around her for the past eight years.
    I cant imagine God placing her somewhere where she would be tormented for eternity, I wouldn't want anything to do with a god like that.  She is a beautifull woman with a beautifull personality who loves people and who always tries to see their good side no matter how bad they are.  I guess if I were God I would turn her into an angel when she crossed over.

[Barbara]

Greetings!

I can understand how sad it must be to be in your situation, especially since your girlfriend is scared of dying; at some point in most of our lives we have had this fear. Once you become involved in this subject you realize that there is no such thing as death, only change. I also believe that there is no such thing as going before your time, if you were meant to go this way then you would do it, but because you are questioning this, the "you within you - your inner voice" is challenging your thoughts on ending this incarnation. You CANNOT take responsibility for another's life, only they can do this for themselves. What you can do is to get your girlfriend information on OOBE experiences or books on 'near death experiences' stories about people who have died and been brought back to life. The reason that I mention "being brought back to life" is that this is absolute proof by people what have died and come back telling us what they encountered when they got to the other side. One of the books that comes to mind at the moment is by Danion Brinkley – Saved By The Light

There is another book written by a paediatrician called Dr Melvin Morse who is an acknowledged leader in this field of research, he presents astonishing scientific proof that near death experiences are a fact. The book is called is called – Closer to the Light.  In this book he gathered the testimony of children too young to have absorbed cultural attitudes to death. The investigations of people like him prove scientifically that there is life after death.

My mum died a few years ago, within a few weeks I met her in a Lucid Dream. She was seventy-six when she died, and she had suffered for a long time, her illness taking its toll on her appearance. But in the dream she was in her mid forty's and looking very healthy and she had an inner glow. Although she appeared to be pleased to see me, she told me to stop grieving, and to get on with my life as WE WOULD MEET AGAIN WHEN IT WAS MY TIME TO GO THERE! You know although I believed in the afterlife prior to mum going. After she left yes there was pain and loneliness, because not only were we mother and daughter, we were best friends, but after meeting her in the dream something changed from deep within me, I still miss her very much, but I KNOW that we WILL meet again when it's my time.

From your girlfriend's point of view. SHE NEEDS YOU HERE AND NOW!

When your girlfriend goes, from last breath that she takes here to the next instant that she is there, she will have others waiting to help her on the other side so she will never be alone. Remember also if you believe in reincarnation, this is not the first life that we have had nor will it be the last. We have all done this before – many times!

There is one more book that I would like to mention. This book is very uplifting!
Embraced by the Light – by Betty J. Eadie  

I apologize if I in any way have made you feel worse!

With all good wishes,
Barbara

[Kristen]

Hi Silverball

My father died of pancreatic cancer - we found out two weeks before he died that he was terminal.  He was 60, too young - he died in my mother's arms one day before their wedding anniversary.  Before he died I and my family spent every day with him - in the hospital, at home - we surrounded him quietly with our presence - we laughed with him and cried with him, we listened to him talk about his feelings and talked about ours, he held his newest grandaughter for the first time, we said goodbye to each other.

Then, after he died, he came to me several times to let me know he was ok, to tell me things, and to help me.  

I love my father and he is not absent.  He is ok, and I am ok to continue to be alive and to grow in my experience in being alive.  You will be ok too, and your girlfriend will be also, without your guiding presence to greet her when she passes.  

Kristen

[Robert Bruce]

G'day!

Sorry to hear of your gf's plight.

Please give me 'full' details of your girlfriend's condition, plus contact numbers where I can verify her condition, eg, hospitals, doctors, etc.

Do this by private email at robert@astralpulse.com

........and I will advise as best I can on what you can do to help your gf.


Take care, Robert.

[michael]

hi Silverball..sorry to read about your girlfriend..regarding your question re suicide..in my opinion that is most definitely not the answer...
even though your motive is well intentioned I think you would cause those you left unutterable pain...which sort of cancels out the good you may think you are doing by going on before your girlfriend dies..but I posted an article re this suicde and OBE thing on Robert's articles site.."Suicide and OBE"..it describes how i had an extremely short meeting with my son who committed suicide ..it only lasted a few seconds...but there is definitly no eternal hell scenario..but he deeply regretted the situation he left behind..and karmically he and we left behind wil have to accomodate this and come to terms with it all in future times...it is never a good thing hardly to commit suicide since it leaves so much pain behind..permanent solution to a temporary problem as the saying goes....if your dgirlfriend is indeed terminal...maybe she will be able to cope if she knows what to expect...there are so many good sources for this....I'd recommend any of Rudolf Steiner's books on this which describe how the body dies and the soul moves on...Ive forgotten the title but there is a good short book by Stanley Drake...which describes the death process and what to expect....in any caase I do hope that you both can cope with what is an extremely distressing situation..take care
michael

[andy]

Hi Silverball,

I too recomend "Embraced by the Light".Check out Betty J Eadies web site as well.

Much peace to both you and your girlfriend!

[Spike]

Hi Silverball,
I am so sorry to hear about your girlfriend.
There is no such thing as Hell. There is only lonliness for souls who refuse to look for the light and are trapped in their own time/space until they forgive themselves and are guided on to the light. People create their own Hell as our own worst enemy is ourselves. (I have hepled guide 2 souls to the light who were lost).

The best thing that you can do for your girlfriend is to read as the others have posted about near death experiences and what to expect and to be there for her.
I will pray for you both too.

All my very best wishes,

Rich

[silverball]

I was wanting to ask a question from people who have had an OBE.  I have had them myself a couple of times, spontaneously, but I cant seem to stay out for more than a few seconds when I do have them, and I have been trying real hard to stay out longer so that I can answer my own question, if it can be answered.
    I have a girlfriend who is dying because of health problems, and I try my best to be there for her any time that she has needed me even when she was in good health.  She has looked at me with tears in her eyes and has said that she is scared to die, and I feel so helpless, because I dont know what to do for her to ease her fear. I just tell her that she doesn't have anything to worry about, because there is nothing to fear on the other side. She knows that I have been out of body a couple of times, but what she doesn't know is that I have been nowhere near where people go when they die.
    I have been thinking a lot lately about going ahead and taking myself out before she goes, so that I can be there to protect her the best that I can.  There is one thing that hinders me from doing this and that is; I go to hell and she goes to heaven.  I have been taught this all of my life, that if you committ suicide then you will go straight to hell and burn forever and ever.  Part of me says that it is not true, but then another part of me also wonders.
    Anyway, has anyone met anybody who has committed suicide, or anyone who has just died naturally, and if they have, does the person seem to be in any kind of torment?  I would appreciate any feedback, thanks.