Hologram entity

[spirited away]

Good morning fellow members  I had an interesting OBE this morning.  My first encounter with an hologram entity. I started the morning as usual for a work day.  I have the leisure of taking short nap at work in the morning on a facial style bed.  I proceeded with the intent to experience OB.  Shortly after I dozed off and awaken with mild vibration I knew I was in NPR.  I must had been very close to RTZ.  Everything in the room resembled in the physical.  I was going to get up and detach after the vibration had stopped.  A outline of an person appear to be standing next to me where I was able to see.  The outline quickly make out to be a person.  This person turn out to be my gramps that has past a few years back.  He appears as an hologram.  I got very excited to see him and called out "gramps!"  I must have gotten too excited because it caused a snap and I was back.  My question is, could it have been him?  Or was it a product of my manifestation?

[Bedeekin]

The important question you need to ask yourself is not 'Was it really him?' but.. "was it useful for me?"

I have experienced my deceased family, especially my mum and nanna. Every time I have returned to the physical I would spend days mulling over the question of whether they were real.

The answer for me is that... regardless of this... they were as real as they would be if they were there. They reacted and acted as they would were they alive... therefor it didn't matter that they were... or not.

Do you see what I mean?

[Stillwater]

I think that answer is only final from a solipsist angle though.

The question still has significance- people like to know that their loved ones are not snuffed from existence when they pass.

For instance, if you were to build a robot that had the full likeness of a dead family member, and behaved exactly like they would, it would make most people extremely uncomfortable- in fact many people would view it as an abomination, for it to impersonate the individual, yet have none of the real memories they shared, and more importantly lack their consciousness.

If I were to venture a guess, Spirited, I would say it was probably a manifestation from your own mind. I suspect that people cease to exist in a way as the people they were when they die; their perspective carries on to another existence, but they lose alot of their connection to who they were in their finished life when they discard their body and temporary identity. I think it is still possible for you to meet your grandfather, but if he appeared as he did before it is probably only him trying to make you comfortable, and his current identity is very different.

So in this token, when you die, the person you were is dead too- their story goes no further, the book is closed. You will retain memories of that time I suspect, but never will they have another experience. It is sad, but that is the way of things...

[Bedeekin]

I think that answer is only final from a solipsist angle though.

That's weird because I'm not looking at it from that angle whatsoever.

[spirited away]

Yes it was a good feeling when I saw him standing there with a smile, whether it was or not him. It made me happy and felt good.  If only I didn't get too happy then I would have been able to examine more.   

The important question you need to ask yourself is not 'Was it really him?' but.. "was it useful for me?"

I have experienced my deceased family, especially my mum and nanna. Every time I have returned to the physical I would spend days mulling over the question of whether they were real.

The answer for me is that... regardless of this... they were as real as they would be if they were there. They reacted and acted as they would were they alive... therefor it didn't matter that they were... or not.

Do you see what I mean?

[Szaxx]

If it happens again with anyone who's passed. Ask a question you DON'T know the answer too. Make sure someone alive can though.
A thought form can not answer that which you don't know.

[spirited away]

I would say finding the answer would be on my list next time if I'm giving a chance.  I really do like to know where have our loved ones gone after life on Earth.  Just too many questions, hope I don't get too excited again BTW the hologram of my gramps was a younger version.  Maybe about 30 to 40 years younger.

I think that answer is only final from a solipsist angle though.

The question still has significance- people like to know that their loved ones are not snuffed from existence when they pass.

For instance, if you were to build a robot that had the full likeness of a dead family member, and behaved exactly like they would, it would make most people extremely uncomfortable- in fact many people would view it as an abomination, for it to impersonate the individual, yet have none of the real memories they shared, and more importantly lack their consciousness.

If I were to venture a guess, Spirited, I would say it was probably a manifestation from your own mind. I suspect that people cease to exist in a way as the people they were when they die; their perspective carries on to another existence, but they lose alot of their connection to who they were in their finished life when they discard their body and temporary identity. I think it is still possible for you to meet your grandfather, but if he appeared as he did before it is probably only him trying to make you comfortable, and his current identity is very different.

So in this token, when you die, the person you were is dead too- their story goes no further, the book is closed. You will retain memories of that time I suspect, but never will they have another experience. It is sad, but that is the way of things...

[spirited away]

That is a great idea, I will remember that.

If it happens again with anyone who's passed. Ask a question you DON'T know the answer too. Make sure someone alive can though.
A thought form can not answer that which you don't know.

[Bedeekin]

Yeah my nan and mum were younger. How I remember my mum before she withered away from cancer and much younger than I ever remember my nan. Which is curious. There are only a few pictures of her at the age I saw her. She was glowing...

not ethereally.. I mean healthily 

[spirited away]

 

She was glowing...

not ethereally.. I mean healthily 

[Szaxx]

So many people who meet those who have passed on say they appear around 25 to 30 years old. Their apparent health is radiant too.

[Bedeekin]

It almost begs the answer that it is their spirit... or essence. Some form of vitality definitely pervades either in the mind of the observer or the will of the observed.

This particular experience I mention was quite recent so I'm still mulling it over. I should have theoretically expected my mum to be at least 50/60 because I remember her most clearly like that and I have a photo of her I see every day... that actually depicts her not well.

[spirited away]

Another question came to mind.  What are your experience with hologram images in AP? This question applies to any members that have experienced it.  I'm starting to question what I have perceived.  Although my time in the Astral is limited but I have seen more than a handful of different types of entities.  All that I have seen were real (not hologram like).  I also remember sensing another entity in the room with me but away from my view.  I could not see it but I can feel and hear it from a close distance.

[Bedeekin]

Where you experiencing the Sleep Paralysis at the time? as in... were you still in bed and undergoing the vibrational state?

[spirited away]

yes I was still partially in bed, my legs dangles in mid air. 

Where you experiencing the Sleep Paralysis at the time? as in... were you still in bed and undergoing the vibrational state?

[Bedeekin]

The hologram description is perfect then. These are or seem to be in my experience projections of our own fears. Here's an excerpt from the SP article I wrote on here...

Perceived presence or 'the intruder'

This is the most commonly reported aspect of SP yet is also the least specific and perhaps the most fundamental.  The terror that accompanies it is extremely common.  It is difficult to assess whether the sense of presence brings on the fear or whether the fear generates the sense of presence.

There are many variations of the presence... sometimes it is out of sight, just around the corner and sometimes fully realized in glorious HD. It is fair to assume that the latter is a nonphysical manifestation brought on by fear of the unknown.

To describe the process neurologically would require a bit of knowledge in neuroscience. I'll try to explain without getting too technical.

Studies show that when a person is experiencing SP the cortical center lights up like a pinball machine. The function of the cortical center is the synthesis and making sense of available stimuli. This part of the brain is normally on full power during waking life, but when in SP the information received is purely internal and filtered through the Amygdala, which is the raw emotional centre of the brain. The sense of presence is believed to be formed by this stimulation of the Amygdala by bursts originating in the Pontine Reticula formation (responsible for sleep-awake cycle). In normal 'emergencies fear reactions' the immediate sense of danger is quickly confirmed or disconfirmed. In the absence of outside stimuli, attempts to analyze the source of the fear will inevitably fail to produce corroboration. But the fear is originating  from within so what would normally last a second or two continues throughout the SP episode as a prolonged and rising sense of fear of your fear.

To put it very basically if you glazed over , you are sensing your fear sensing you sensing your fear sensing you sensing your fear and so on and so forth... a type of biometric feedback.

I am compiling a list of descriptions of this 'presence' at the moment gleaned from the internet and personal communications I receive from Facebook and Youtube. I'll stick it up on here soon.

[spirited away]

this information is wonderful.  This helps me to understand the phenomenon better. 

The hologram description is perfect then. These are or seem to be in my experience projections of our own fears. Here's an excerpt from the SP article I wrote on here...

Perceived presence or 'the intruder'

This is the most commonly reported aspect of SP yet is also the least specific and perhaps the most fundamental.  The terror that accompanies it is extremely common.  It is difficult to assess whether the sense of presence brings on the fear or whether the fear generates the sense of presence.

There are many variations of the presence... sometimes it is out of sight, just around the corner and sometimes fully realized in glorious HD. It is fair to assume that the latter is a nonphysical manifestation brought on by fear of the unknown.

To describe the process neurologically would require a bit of knowledge in neuroscience. I'll try to explain without getting too technical.

Studies show that when a person is experiencing SP the cortical center lights up like a pinball machine. The function of the cortical center is the synthesis and making sense of available stimuli. This part of the brain is normally on full power during waking life, but when in SP the information received is purely internal and filtered through the Amygdala, which is the raw emotional centre of the brain. The sense of presence is believed to be formed by this stimulation of the Amygdala by bursts originating in the Pontine Reticula formation (responsible for sleep-awake cycle). In normal 'emergencies fear reactions' the immediate sense of danger is quickly confirmed or disconfirmed. In the absence of outside stimuli, attempts to analyze the source of the fear will inevitably fail to produce corroboration. But the fear is originating  from within so what would normally last a second or two continues throughout the SP episode as a prolonged and rising sense of fear of your fear.

To put it very basically if you glazed over , you are sensing your fear sensing you sensing your fear sensing you sensing your fear and so on and so forth... a type of biometric feedback.

I am compiling a list of descriptions of this 'presence' at the moment gleaned from the internet and personal communications I receive from Facebook and Youtube. I'll stick it up on here soon.

[illprotocol]

Now that's cool! No opinion on whether he was real or not. He's as real as you treat him. Please share stories like this!