Hi guys
i am a prison who's very interested in OBE and i am stell a very beginner in this kind of arts and still didn't make any kind of progress
But i have few questions that need to be answerd about OBE just to be Certain
first i was just wondering if anyone one can prove that OBE isn't just some kind of lucid dreaming
for example did some people could have find out about his future and helped him to change something bad could happen to him?
our prevent someone dear to him from dying in the future?
our even spy on top secrets of his country?
who do these country's needs a real spy's Risking there lives instead of using somebody who can go through OBE to spy on them?
also another question if I got throe OBE dose that means i can know whats there in the after life?
our can I even talk to god?
I really hope that i get answers for these questions and I would really appreciate that
Also i have another Question in behalf of a friend of mine who asked this:
"Hello, i come from Germany, and please apologys my bad Englisch.
I have a really Bad disease, schizophrenia.
I read very much about OBEs, Time Travels, and Body Switch.
I want go during a OBE back to my old Body, before i sicken, and want go in this old Body, anywhere know what i mean ?
I know its a difficult, but i read some People can Switch the Body, or go to the past time.
Anywhere think its Possible ?"
First, tell me what a dream is.
As far as I know the dreams are nothing but Imagination during sleeping
But the OBE is exploring something real that we can't see it by our physical eyes
am I correct?
There is a story of a British M.P. that was sick in bed , but apeared in his astral body to cast his vote in house of commons ( late 1800, or early 1900 some where ) I have yet to have a conscious o.b.e. but I did will my self to give my phone # to any one that I met while out of body during sleep , I did get some out of state phone calls where no one spoke . If some one had told me that they got my number from what they thought was a ghost , that would offer a great deal of proof .
Quote from: Lost soul on February 28, 2014, 20:15:28
As far as I know the dreams are nothing but Imagination during sleeping
But the OBE is exploring something real that we can't see it by our physical eyes
am I correct?
Well, you're neither right nor wrong.
See, when you begin to research "dreams", you quickly run into the wall that humans actually have absolutely NO IDEA what a dream is or why we have them. They have theories and ideas, but nobody REALLY KNOWS. So as you can see, there is a problem when you use attempt to compare an experience to a "dream". You're effectively comparing it to something with no fixed definition.
What if I told you that dreams are as "real" as any experience you can have in this physical reality while "awake"?
Thank you Desert - rat its an interesting story
As for what you said Xanth
I do believe that dreams only some times has meanings and some people call lucid dreams are low level OF OBE
I had a dream once of one of my brothers calling me in my cell phone
then suddenly my phone in the real world ranged and it woke me up and when i looked at the phone i saw the same brother was calling me in the real world and I had no idea that was going to happen
I just hoped that experts would also tell me more intrusting stores about information they get from the astral world that helped them dealing with there physical life problems
imagine someone is jerk and stubborn who doesn't believe in the existence of the souls and ask for a prove that OBE is not just some kind of hallucination and Imagination - what would you tell him??
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 16:34:13imagine someone is jerk and stubborn who doesn't believe in the existence of the souls and ask for a prove that OBE is not just some kind of hallucination and Imagination - what would you tell him??
I'd show him this website:
http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html
:wink:
Quote from: Volgerle on March 01, 2014, 17:34:21
I'd show him this website:
http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html
:wink:
WOW now that's interesting
now i feel satisfied :)
anyway i am working very hard these days on getting WILD lucid dreams
if I succeed i well start working on astral projecting
wish me lack everyone
And i really appreciate if anybody would also answer my friend's question
i also have a similar question
i had a beautiful childhood days , so well i be able to live throw these days again if I astral project?
Some of the experiences will be so good you'll not want to leave.
Nothing physical comes close to the feel of it.
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 19:04:38
i had a beautiful childhood days , so well i be able to live throw these days again if I astral project?
You most definitely will. I feel the same way about my childhood. I often say that if I can get stuck somehow in my childhood years, I will be very happy. And this was one of my first goals when I succeeded in AP. Since then, I have all kinds of great memories revisited and I am telling you these experiences are so much more enhanced and euphoric, because you are reliving them with the knowledge and appreciation you have now. And confirming that past events are not gone forever, as many people think and grieve over, it gives you great comfort.
Quote from: LightBeam on March 01, 2014, 19:52:46
You most definitely will. I feel the same way about my childhood. I often say that if I can get stuck somehow in my childhood years, I will be very happy. And this was one of my first goals when I succeeded in AP. Since then, I have all kinds of great memories revisited and I am telling you these experiences are so much more enhanced and euphoric, because you are reliving them with the knowledge and appreciation you have now. And confirming that past events are not gone forever, as many people think and grieve over, it gives you great comfort.
I do believe that you can create you're own reality throw living the past days again and change what you need of the past of my reality without being able to effect what happened in the real time line
I hope am correct in this
did you got my point?
Quote from: Szaxx on March 01, 2014, 19:29:59
Some of the experiences will be so good you'll not want to leave.
Nothing physical comes close to the feel of it.
I am really excited to astral project and the first step to this is to succeed getting WILD lucid dreams
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 20:31:11
I do believe that you can create you're own reality throw living the past days again and change what you need of the past of my reality without being able to effect what happened in the real time line
I hope am correct in this
did you got my point?
We don't know if events can or can not be changed in any given probable physical timeline reality. We can only speculate. But through AP you can experience past physical events in the duplicate "next door" frequency reality. The astral is thought responsive, yes, so you can alter the experiences. What I experience in regards to going back to past events, is the environment, the familiar feelings, my friends and loved ones, certain adventures, etc. But these experiences are not exact replica of what actually happened in the physical. They are actually more enhanced and rich, with very powerful enjoinment at least for me just by knowing what is happening at that moment that I am in the astral realm and it feels even more real and current, never lost and I know that it will always be there.
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 16:34:13
I do believe that dreams only some times has meanings and some people call lucid dreams are low level OF OBE
You kind of missed my point entirely... you're trying to use a concept ("dream"), which simply doesn't exist beyond what people "BELIEVE" it means.
When you re-call a Projection to someone and they come back and tell you "Well it was just a dream"... they're stating that they know, for a fact, what a dream is, just as you were doing in your initial post. Hence, my original question... do you know what a dream is?
What I try to do is get people to begin to question "pseudo-knowledge".
Pseudo-knowledge is information which people try to pass off as fact, when in actuality, they don't know... and in this case it's pseudo-knowledge on a global scale.
Does that make any sense?
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 19:04:38
WOW now that's interesting
now i feel satisfied :)
anyway i am working very hard these days on getting WILD lucid dreams
if I succeed i well start working on astral projecting
If you succeed in having your lucid dreams, then you'll also have succeeded in projecting.
You've got to remove yourself from that extremely narrowly defined box you've placed yourself into.
Continuing to try and do what you've already succeeded in doing is like trying to invent a circle after you've invented the wheel. :)
This is the problem with so many new people... they already come fully loaded with information they've "learned" from many other places.
And they read that lucid dreams and astral projections are different things... there's the first big box you've put yourself into.
Wouldn't it be better to remain open minded about such things until you've had many experiences and can analyze them personally?
Quote from: Xanth on March 01, 2014, 21:32:55
...they read that lucid dreams and astral projections are different things... there's the first big box you've put yourself into.
Wouldn't it be better to remain open minded about such things until you've had many experiences and can analyze them personally?
There's the key: experience and analyse. When you are actually in
that place, that real and separate world and you are aware that you are outside of your of physical-world body. You look around, you touch things, taste things, you decide and do whatever you need to do to be satisfied, evaluating the world you are in like an alien that just landed on another planet. That's when you can decide and you can decide
while your there and then commit your experiences to memory.
Once you have what I call the "real deal" then those ideas about trying to prove what happened become irrelevant, not applicable. When you are there, the last thing on your mind is trying to prove you had the experience. You don't need to prove your waking-life experiences to anyone do you?
I think Xanth explained my perspective well here. I think they are dreams, but dreams are more significant in some ways than most credit them for. To me, a projection is a dream with high lucidity. Notice that is nearly identical with most people's definition of "Lucid Dream". Projections happen to be a sort of dream where we are primed to receive very special sorts of information in my view.
Ok so i got you're points now that lucid dreams are some kind of astral projection experience
Quote from: Xanth on March 01, 2014, 21:31:33
my original question... do you know what a dream is?
ok i see dreams are something very complicated and mixed up between hallucination and a mind translation of what the human soul experience
I'm not the expert here, but it all boils down to awareness. I think a lot of "dreams" are just very extremely low recall of an astral projection. Some dreams! Maybe all I don't know... We are creators so we can imagine and create some wild stuff. This place is a dream too. That's the way I see it. It's "real" I hate that word... Because you're experiencing this reality system with full awareness. It's just as "real" over there. If not more touchy/feely. It's all just consciousness shifting. That's how I see it! Not the freaking expert here but yeah!
Quote from: Lost soul on March 01, 2014, 23:23:40
Ok so i got you're points now that lucid dreams are some kind of astral projection experience
Well, even that wasn't my point. hehe
All I wanted you to do was, as you practice Projection (and other metaphysical activities) open your mind and leave your labels and boxes behind. :)
Quote from: phaseshiftR1111 on March 02, 2014, 11:03:12
I'm not the expert here, but it all boils down to awareness. I think a lot of "dreams" are just very extremely low recall of an astral projection. Some dreams! Maybe all I don't know... We are creators so we can imagine and create some wild stuff. This place is a dream too. That's the way I see it. It's "real" I hate that word... Because you're experiencing this reality system with full awareness. It's just as "real" over there. If not more touchy/feely. It's all just consciousness shifting. That's how I see it! Not the freaking expert here but yeah!
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2013/09/23/everything-is-consciousness-analyzing-lucid-dreaming-and-astral-projection-from-the-perspective-of-consciousness/
Once you REALLY understand that all of consciousness is ONE... and you slowly begin to apply that knowledge to everything you see and do, you'll quickly begin to figure out that there can be no separation in consciousness, with anything.
You're dreaming as much right now as you are at any point that you're physically asleep. :)
IMO, all of our life is projection, just changes dimensions.
well except that the Physics dimensions cannot be changed by just thinking it well change
un like the upper dimensions levels were the spirits are more capable of creating what it desire.
Quote from: Lost soul on March 02, 2014, 15:47:37
well except that the Physics dimensions cannot be changed by just thinking it well change
un like the upper dimensions levels were the spirits are more capable of creating what it desire.
Are you sure?
We only fit in 3 dimensions if you are not looking. The X,Y and Z axis being three. There's a 4th, that's the in or out of phase with the normal 3.
Accessing this 4th gives rise to knowing things, an extra sense as it's generally known. This is the ESP of clairvoyance or seeing for example.
These are controlled by your thoughts and the info recieved is usually from thoughts too, even from future events.
Sometimes things are not what they seem. Early astronomy being a perfect example.
How can you prove that OBE isn't just some kind of dream?
You experience it over and over again yourself and come to your own conclusions.
At this current time, there is no way to prove it 100%. At least from the perspective of Scientific research that is.
But you don't have to prove it to the World, only yourself! :wink:
Quote from: Lost soul on March 02, 2014, 15:47:37
well except that the Physics dimensions cannot be changed by just thinking it well change
un like the upper dimensions levels were the spirits are more capable of creating what it desire.
Are you sure about that?
Science has already started to delve into that exact statement.
They're finding what I already know to be true, that our thoughts have direct influence upon our reality.
It might not be as "fast" acting as in certain non-physical realities, but the effect is definitely there.
Here is but one example from the National Post:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/11/sex-selective-programs-and-the-belief-that-boys-will-be-boys-stigmatizes-students-study/
Quote from: Lost soul on February 28, 2014, 19:44:27
first i was just wondering if anyone one can prove that OBE isn't just some kind of lucid dreaming
I'd like to know if anyone can prove that our physical reality isn't some kind of lucid dream. I was just out again this morning and as usual evaluating the details of that world, comparing them to physical world. The more I study the details in the non-physical world (which is actually amazingly physical), the more convinced I am that it is no less of a "dream" than the physical world. The quality of the visuals alone is just amazing. Not only that, but it is 3 dimensional and has physical properties like weight, solidity, wetness, cold and hot. You can actually explore these through touch which I have done extensively. One is really hard pressed to say it isn't as real as the physical. I jumped off the side of building this morning after looking way down at the busy street, dozens of stories below. It was not easy to do because all my senses were telling me it was suicide. I had already concluded earlier that it was the non-physical, so just went with that, but I was still hesitated and was afraid to do it.
Sure we can all sit here and debate whether it's not real, but ask yourself the same question
while your there. I do this often and then test things as much as I can, to answer that question in real time. If the places you are going are anything the ones I'm going to, I imagine you would come to the same conclusion.
Yes, it's more difficult to change things in the physical reality because it is a collective manifestation. There are also places in the non-physical that have varying degrees of "collective-ness" and are more difficult to change if you end up there. Those places are also more stable and consistent too.
Thanks to all of you for these awesome information
the more i hear about the astral world the more I get convinced that the true size of the universe is Billions of times bigger then what we see it from the three dimensions angle
it might be even big as infinity
I can imagine every single thought of every single mind would create a new separate dimensions
as of what i heard of a famous expert astral projector in the youtube
he said this is what the after life all about
live in you're own haven you create by imagining it
and some of them get Bored after spending long time in there and Decide to reincarnate again
he said no soul has ever came here to the physical world by force , every single spirit has its free choice
I hope am right in this
am interested a lot to know more about the after life and near death experiences
i am looking forward to astral project in order to meat the died loved ones i lost
Quote from: Lost soul on March 02, 2014, 19:32:33
Thanks to all of you for these awesome information
the more i hear about the astral world the more I get convinced that the true size of the universe is Billions of times bigger then what we see it from the three dimensions angle
it might be even big as infinity
I don't think there is such a thing as size, space, distance, location etc. They are all manifestations. The concept of no space is something I like to meditate on.
Quote from: Lost soul on March 02, 2014, 19:32:33
as of what i heard of a famous expert astral projector in the youtube
he said this is what the after life all about
live in you're own haven you create by imagining it
and some of them get Bored after spending long time in there and Decide to reincarnate again
he said no soul has ever came here to the physical world by force , every single spirit has its free choice
This is also how I see it because all "realities", here or elsewhere are created, IMO. There is no "reality" other than that which is created. I actually prefer the word "manifested" because I think we are more like we are a channel to take creation and bring it forth into being. It's like making something here in the physical world. We create things by putting together the materials that exist here.
As for the physical world itself: In the words of the Matrix, "There is no spoon."
Take a few mins to think on this example.
In our 3D world we have perspective. Things seen are sometimes hidden by others blocking the view.
Now to understand that there's more actually built-in to our conciousness, we take a look at the face of Peppa Pig. Yep the pre-school cartoon character.
In reality this face doesn't look like the average pig at all. We instantly recognise the image as a pig. Look at the eye positions, these are so out of perspective it's untru. There's no way in our 3D world that we could possibly see both eyes at the same time. One would be hidden behind the nose but we readily accept the image as a complete representation of a face.
This recognition exists in the non-physical when you examine an object. You 'see' the inside and the outside completely in an instant.
It's this recognition that should ring some bells to your inherent understanding of perception.
A photograph cannot do this as it only displays a 2D image of a 3D object. We can see a 4D representation instantly in this example.
There's more like this when you look around, it's normal and taken for granted.
Quote from: deepspace on March 03, 2014, 01:44:42
I don't think there is such a thing as size, space, distance, location etc. They are all manifestations. The concept of no space is something I like to meditate on.
This is also how I see it because all "realities", here or elsewhere are created, IMO. There is no "reality" other than that which is created. I actually prefer the word "manifested" because I think we are more like we are a channel to take creation and bring it forth into being. It's like making something here in the physical world. We create things by putting together the materials that exist here.
As for the physical world itself: In the words of the Matrix, "There is no spoon."
it is confusing when it goes about how the universe existed from the very beginning
is it by an intelligence god our by the work of many spirits working together our something else
i hope i well find out when i start to astral project
Quote from: Szaxx on March 03, 2014, 02:19:09
Take a few mins to think on this example.
In our 3D world we have perspective. Things seen are sometimes hidden by others blocking the view.
Now to understand that there's more actually built-in to our conciousness, we take a look at the face of Peppa Pig. Yep the pre-school cartoon character.
In reality this face doesn't look like the average pig at all. We instantly recognise the image as a pig. Look at the eye positions, these are so out of perspective it's untru. There's no way in our 3D world that we could possibly see both eyes at the same time. One would be hidden behind the nose but we readily accept the image as a complete representation of a face.
This recognition exists in the non-physical when you examine an object. You 'see' the inside and the outside completely in an instant.
It's this recognition that should ring some bells to your inherent understanding of perception.
A photograph cannot do this as it only displays a 2D image of a 3D object. We can see a 4D representation instantly in this example.
There's more like this when you look around, it's normal and taken for granted.
I am really excited to see the universe from the 5 Dimensions angle