how do i conciously leave

[Patty]

Wow. You've seen a thing or two, eh? I won't be able to help with your question but I wanted to say 'hey' anyway.

I don't know the answer to conscious exit. My experiences are kinda like the ones you describe that occur through the night, with poor sleep, for me I am kind of buzzing all night and lift out, fall back, etc.

What I've found over the years is that really strong desire is a great tool for success in any non-physical area, so it sounds like you have that. Also, that the experiences continue to change and evolve - so even though I haven't found the holy grail of projection, I am learning a lot about the whole process. And I am guessing that nonphysicality is huge, so there is an awful lot to learn. Even little things that you learn (like in the last few weeks I have been working on better flow through my throat chakra with great results) are steps towards the holy grail. I mean it is phenomenal - one experinece might be sightless but have incredible tactile sensations. Another experience might be entirely in house, but where you can see your etheric arms separate from your body.  Another experience might be pure energy giving you different sensations, with no 'result' but the knowledge of what the experience feels like.  I think these are all parts of non-physical experience.

Never done Meth amphetamine, been at this for about 4 years now.  Or possibly 6 depending on how you calculate it.

Patty

[ralphm]

drugs/lack of sleep can take you to really weird places-places you could need professional help to get back from. you can experience ultimate bliss one minute, hell the next. but for clarity of experience drugs don't work.
i'm on my third reading of astral dynamics, seems like you don't digest parts of the info until you experience it directly. i get the idea from your post that you are forcing it, projecting is (to me ) somewhat more in the order of 'allowing'

[astralc]

Adiraz

maybe you are in too much of a hurry to get out there.

I spoke to a schizophrenic sufferer once who said that his friends did everything to get out there, to get off their faces. He spent all his time trying to get in and stay in.

So, my friend, don't push so hard, it just leads to frustration, dead ends and hospital wards. If you really want to astral travel, learn to relax, down and down, unconsciously as well as consciously.

Most people astral travel after they have fallen asleep. To do it consciously is a lifetime thing, not many can do it. So my best advice if you wish to keep your sanity is to keep meditating.

Astralc


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[weagle]

I recall reading in dr. joseph murphy's power of your subconscious mind book you can't be anxious or try to force anything (even astral projection) because automatically you're accepting defeat in some sense.  The best like others have stated have have to be like in a desirous mood thats when you get results I think (like in the bible says delight yourself in the lord and he'll give you the desires of your heart), then your subsconscious mind works out to try and make your desires come true.  Its weird you astral project when you least expect it, all you can do is make it like a daily ritual and don't get angry or anxious that you didn't accomplish anything just keep hacking away til the day breaks and the shadows flee away (another quote from the bible).  I have to admit I got a little anxious when I astral projected the first time, now I can't do it anymore I have to get back into the desirous mood again.

[adiraz]

Hi all,

I want to have a fully concious projection.  I havn't projected much, lets say about 5 times.  I own and have read astral dynamics.  Il describe my projection i had about a week ago (the same experience roughly I have induced twice now in the space of a few weeks), and prehaps an expert out there can discern a problem in my approach! (or maybe it is that I have an approach that is the problem).  Ive read astral dynamics but yer I stil dont get it .  Before intending to sleep at nightI meditated for about 1 hour, until i reach quietish mind state.  I try to project once, think i have failed and continue to meditate, then I try to project again about 20 mintues later say.  When i say try to project, i mean i forcefully try to feel myself rising upwards in one big concentration spurt until I give up because I am not out of body.  Ok then im lying in bed, assuming id fall to sleep. And I enter a state of bliss about half an hour later, where I know who I am 100%.  This is my home, where I came from before coming to earth because this is ME i am not confused over who I am.  It is this 3rd dimension which is the confusing place!.  This lasts about half an hour, and kinda ends slowly, and I start getting astral experiences for about 5 seconds,so I ponder the possibility that I have projected.  For the next 8 hours I get these short bursts of astral dimension experience.  So i Know that i have definitely projected, no question about that (up to fifth, 3+2 projections = 5).  As normally I sleep bonking well after meditation, and this night i didnt sleep.  (ive done this twice in about 3 weeks, 2 no sleep nights, and the rest of my nights i sleep well).  My heart is stil throbbing all night workin overtime somethin chronic.  So yeah, I dont get my double(s) back until the next night when I fall to sleep or somethin cause it wouldnt friggin come back.
I am realy eager to experience all of what I done in these projections conciously.  My idea is to keep trance meditating (falling down and down and down) until the projection just happens.  Is this valid? Or can someone suggest what to do.   I am yet to be able to do this .  I always become too eager to project so I force it.  But it would be so much better to actually exit.

Also I have another theory about another experience I had.   This came to me when I was doin my dirty style split projections so I rekon I found it outside.  Pehaps someone can tell me if there is a flaw in this.  I was on meth amphetamine about 7 months ago (last time I have used it), and I did 2 or 3 hours of accelerated circular breathwork dont ask me why, I like pushin myself to the edge.  I then thought I was Jesus Christ through and tried to save the world... as u would.   This lasted about 1.5 weeks of 3 hours sleep.  So this was seemingly a projection of 1.5 weeks long, way beyond astral and higherself prehaps as far as one can go, as I knew I was the creator during this period.  However it was very crazy, my mind was trying to integrate TOO MUCH.  I got thrown in mental hospital and guinea pigged with all sorts of the latest and greatest anti spiritual medications.   So yeah I could say dont try this at home kids, but if you are going to experience this you will.  I hav learnt drugs are truely a dangerous ways of raising conicousness from this experience.  interesting anyway.

thanks for listenin
Adiraz

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