So when I relax with the main ultimate goal to eventually project I often find I get nervous and my heart actually beats faster which makes things akward. Does anyone have the same problem? how do you slow your heart beat down?
Also if you have a fast heartbeat does that basically mean you won't project?
The more you practice the easier it will get. Eventually you will not get nervous. Try to ignore the heart rate and the problem will eventually go away. You can still ap with a fast heart rate. There is another forum where they teach you to focus on the heart and to ap.
Quote from: Astralsuzy on September 12, 2013, 16:49:11
You can still ap with a fast heart rate. There is another forum where they teach you to focus on the heart and to ap.
You can still project with a fast heart rate? I thought it would essentially interfear as the body would not be in the trance or deep relaxation state if the heart is going fast so there be no projection. You sure of this? what is this other forum also where they teach you to focus on heart rate to project please.
To be honest I am not sure. I think it would be a distraction if you let it. Learn to ignore it and the problem will go away.
Quote from: Klaxen_2008 on September 12, 2013, 15:16:10
So when I relax with the main ultimate goal to eventually project I often find I get nervous and my heart actually beats faster which makes things akward. Does anyone have the same problem? how do you slow your heart beat down?
I used to have this happen in the beginning. But not any more though.
I feel the rapid heartbeat is due to our own anxiety, plus the fact that we are becoming aware of our heartbeat to begin with. This is not something that happens everyday while you are consciously aware.
You will find that like most of the other "sign posts" of the NPR, that this too will subside! :wink: Just "passively observe" it for now! :-)
Try to search the key words "rapid heartbeat" in the search engine on the top right hand corner of this page. This topic has been spoken on in the past, as has most of the other topics that new people question here. :-)
This fast beating sense is a tactile hallucinogenic action. ( dodgy but unreal feeling)
I've monitored mine many times and although it feels real and is going at.130 beats per min, the equipment says the opposite. It was a steady 48 or so. That's not fast at all unless you're an elephant. :-o
Ignore it, it's a natural part of the change out of the physical reality. You're leaving it behind and it wants to come along too. It can't so its trying to kick off.
Quote from: Szaxx on September 12, 2013, 20:45:55
This fast beating sense is a tactile hallucinogenic action. ( dodgy but unreal feeling)
I've monitored mine many times and although it feels real and is going at.130 beats per min, the equipment says the opposite. It was a steady 48 or so. That's not fast at all unless you're an elephant. :-o
Ignore it, it's a natural part of the change out of the physical reality. You're leaving it behind and it wants to come along too. It can't so its trying to kick off.
I concur.
Quote from: Szaxx on September 12, 2013, 20:45:55
This fast beating sense is a tactile hallucinogenic action. ( dodgy but unreal feeling)
I've monitored mine many times and although it feels real and is going at.130 beats per min, the equipment says the opposite. It was a steady 48 or so. That's not fast at all unless you're an elephant. :-o
Ignore it, it's a natural part of the change out of the physical reality. You're leaving it behind and it wants to come along too. It can't so its trying to kick off.
Thanks Szaxx! :-)
That clears up another one of this practices many mysteries. I thought that maybe it was Hallucinogenic as well, because I came out of it totally unscathed and still breathing! :-D
Or maybe (and this just occurred to me) you are perceiving your heart rate from a slower brainwave, making it seem fast (or is fast, compared to your brainwave) instead of your usual waking frequency, which is faster? This seems eminently possible from a materialistic brain based perspective.
I concur this time.
It seems before the increased frequency of the NP is 'achieved' the physical world has to be detached from and slowing things down would achieve this end.
It also fits in with phasing out of one and into the other.
We have to let go. Slow down the mind so it detaches as it's not in phase with the physical, then adjust its perceptive awareness to accept the non physical (NP).
The side effect whilst doing this is the last thing percieved from the physical will appear accelerated or far faster than normally percieved.
After detachment the NP is available dependant on your thoughts and level of experience.
A basic view...
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 13, 2013, 11:04:41
Or maybe (and this just occurred to me) you are perceiving your heart rate from a slower brainwave, making it seem fast (or is fast, compared to your brainwave) instead of your usual waking frequency, which is faster? This seems eminently possible from a materialistic brain based perspective.
Sounds logically to me. When you enter a Delta or Theta state you have indeed slowed your brainwave activity, but not changed your heart rate at all. A slowed Brainwave could perceive a normal heat beat to be speeding up. This is when you know you are definitely consciously aware of everything going on in and around you. At this point it's time to make the final leap and lose all physical focus behind, with your next destination being the NP.
It's akin to a last minute "fear test", to see if you really are ready to proceed! :wink:
No sorry to shoot you all down but this is not the case. I get the fast heart rate when I am first starting to relax to attempt to project and is my real heart this is not something like a hallucination that starts when I find myself in Theta or Delta or whatever.
Quote from: Klaxen_2008 on September 13, 2013, 19:26:59
No sorry to shoot you all down but this is not the case. I get the fast heart rate when I am first starting to relax to attempt to project and is my real heart this is not something like a hallucination that starts when I find myself in Theta or Delta or whatever.
Then perhaps you need to ask a Doctor this question and get some medical advise.
People were commenting on this because this is a possible "sign post" that people experience while attempting to AP.
You are also on a website that is meant for conversation of this nature, so you can understand the misinterpretation here! :-)
Quote from: Klaxen_2008 on September 13, 2013, 19:26:59
No sorry to shoot you all down but this is not the case. I get the fast heart rate when I am first starting to relax to attempt to project and is my real heart this is not something like a hallucination that starts when I find myself in Theta or Delta or whatever.
There are various conditions that make it happen- the fast heart rate when you relax or meditate- one of them is 'long QT syndrome' (a very dangerous condition) and another is 'early beat' syndrome- the next beat comes in before the previous beat has 'relaxed'. The second one is weird-feeling but not dangerous- it happens only when you relax because normally, when you're up and about your pulse is a bit accelerated, and it doesn't have time to come in early. But when you relax and your pulse goes down, the early beat throws the rhythm a bit off and feels like palpitations. Usually slowing down with caffeine makes it happen less often (don't know why). Anyway, you need to get checked by a doctor to rule out the more dangerous possibility.
But for the majority of projectors, it is either hallucination or a result of slowed down brainstate- it's easy to figure out if you have someone monitoring your pulse when you're at rest and when you enter a trance. And if it does recur, get thee to a doctor.