How much control do you have over your mind? I'm just like thinking like if I die in a degraded state of mind will I still have that degraded state of mind in the astral. I heard that you can't keep you memory in the afterlife if you have not reached enlightenment. Since memory can't survive the death process or something like that. Most people that have NDE's have full memory functioning working in there mind and etheric or astral body before death. They would also be able to talk about and report their experiences. But what about a retarded person having an astral projection or a NDE. Or better yet a person with no functioning memory? Maybe that talk about you can only retain your memory if you become enlightened only refers to long term memory.
I read about this guy that is a good astral projector and he wrote an ebook. I may be able to find it if you like. But in the book this guys says, that when he was talking with someone else in the astral that the people there did not remember where they came from. That might just be referring to long term memory. So that's a very interesting thought, that you can't keep you long term memory in the astral.
That is just memory, what about concentration, contemplation, control over your experience, and others.
I think this is a good topic. Any thoughts.
Peace!
Quote from: astralprojectee on March 21, 2012, 05:36:39
How much control do you have over your mind? I'm just like thinking like if I die in a degraded state of mind will I still have that degraded state of mind in the astral.
You would if you felt that your state of mind was YOU.
However, you'd easily discard it by coming to the awareness that you aren't your physical mental limitations.
QuoteI heard that you can't keep you memory in the afterlife if you have not reached enlightenment. Since memory can't survive the death process or something like that. Most people that have NDE's have full memory functioning working in there mind and etheric or astral body before death. They would also be able to talk about and report their experiences. But what about a retarded person having an astral projection or a NDE. Or better yet a person with no functioning memory? Maybe that talk about you can only retain your memory if you become enlightened only refers to long term memory.
One thing we know about NDE's is that the person was never really dead. We don't actually know what constitutes "DEAD" in regards to our "physical body". So we can't really make a valued judgement call one way or the other about it.
You can only read up on people's separate opinions on what happens to us when we actually pass over. Tom Campbell has an interest variation using his database/computer folder analogies.
QuoteI read about this guy that is a good astral projector and he wrote an ebook. I may be able to find it if you like. But in the book this guys says, that when he was talking with someone else in the astral that the people there did not remember where they came from. That might just be referring to long term memory. So that's a very interesting thought, that you can't keep you long term memory in the astral.
That is just memory, what about concentration, contemplation, control over your experience, and others.
I think this is a good topic. Any thoughts.
Peace!
In the end, we don't even know where memories reside. It's been proven that you can remove half of someone's brain and it doesn't affect their memory in the slightest. Did they just miss the part with the memories... who knows. Humanity doesn't have an answer yet.
Here you go Dr Bruce Greyson describing how some dementia patients lose their disability and become completely lucid in the moments leading to death, as the mind separates from the brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kUyFeSizr0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
However, NDE and OBE may be quite different. The presence of a working physical brain seems to cloud OBEs in a way that NDEs are not. NDEs do not suffer reality fluctuations. I believe that a functioning physical brain in some way downgrades an OBE so that dementia sufferers may not enjoy a full expanded consciousness during OBE. However, during NDE and also after death, there is no reason why a dementia sufferer should not have full lucid clear consciousness.