Fantastic. The body shift urge gets me every time, when my will is at its weakest. I'll play with this tonight. [:D]
Please let me know how it turns out!
This makes total sense. I swear man, every post you've done lately should be made into a sticky. Jeez. I *always* succumb to this urge because I figure I'm just tired of trying to OBE. So I just turn over and fall asleep. Now that I know what it is, it's gonna be much easier to fight. Thanks again cube,
Jason.
Sweet :) Can't wait to try it!
Thanks for the insight Cube, this has been a minor problem for me lately. I've been trying to remain aware of when I drift into sleep. Sometimes I just fall asleep, and sometimes I lucid dream. But I have noticed that after some time on my back I just want to lay on my side and go to sleep, so I'll try to resist and see what happens.
The great Cube is at it again! This is just brilliant Cube, Im definitly gonna try this tonight. Sounds very easy, thats always a good thing. I know about that urge to move that you mean, now all I gotta do is just ignore it. This is great! Thanks a billion Cube!
Take care everyone!
I hope that this works for you guys!
One thing you should know is that it's very easy for the mind the fall asleep doing this, which is why I recommend using a self-repeating timer to keep your mind awake. It's like a safety net.
Here's the timer URL:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/uploaded/cube/timer.zip
I was able to get this to work this morning without using a timer, but I just tried it in the afternoon and I had a false awakening instead. I was laying here and after a while I realised I was seeing hypnagogic imagery of a person walking I think in my left eye. I opened my eyes and the imagery overlayed on the physical scene, it made it look like I was projecting a movie film of the person walking on my arm.
When I started to try to understand what was happening I woke up for real. So pretty much if your mind does fall asleep before you get the 'reposition' signal from the body, then you've missed the opportinuty to test it.
Using that timer HTML page I posted to beep at you every 10 minutes will keep you coherent. As long as the sound doesn't shock you the beep won't wake up your body, only your mind.
Thanks for the timer Cube! I didnt get a chance to try it last night, I was out late and just to tired. I will try it sometime soon, Im so excited about this method [:D]! Something I can keep my mind on pretty well is like lyrics or a word, so Ill try to use that to my advantage. Ill be sure to update with any results with this. Take care!
For the last week when I've been attempting to get my body to fall asleep, I always suddenly twitch my right leg, it's always sudden and very annoying. I spend half an hour putting my body to sleep only for this to happen. So I should keep doing it until my brain can learn to ignore this message?
AntiGravity,
I have a feeling you'll have better success with this in the morning, maybe wake up a half hour early (not the full two hours) and try to immediately fall alseep again and watch how it happens. It's harder to stay alert at night than it is in the morning, so it might be better to try it then.
gravy,
I get the leg twitch thing too, and so far I haven't found a very good way to deal with it. My leg only twitches a little bit so usually I just ignore it and forget about it after a few seconds. It could be that you just have to get used to it happening so that when it happens it doesn't bother you very much.
I have noticed that the leg twitch thing seems to happen more often when I do a conceptualization of myself walking around, so lately I have been doing conceptualizations where I'm more like a legless point in space flying around looking at things.
Well, to anyone who's interested, I tried this technique this morning and got incredible results with lucid dreaming. My stomach was killing me this morning so I was up early in pain, took some pepto, and not yet being able asleep I did the technique. I did fall asleep, but then I had an amazing lucid dream in which I was 100% aware. I created everything that I wanted and actually found it quite humurous watching the characters in my dream act accordingly as I was in complete control of their every actions. It was great. More remarkable however is that I woke up a few hours later, and tried it again, and once again had a different and yet still amazing lucid dream. In all I woke up 3 times, tried that technique 3 times, and had 3 great and long lucid dreams. More lucid then I have ever experienced before. In fact in one I remember almost waking up, and because I didn't want to, I thought "breath deep and relax", and my body did, and I continued with my lucid dreaming. One thing that may be of note is that before I became lucid, each dream was kind of a nightmare. It was the hope that the nightmare wasn't really happening that caused me to look at my hands and watch them become deformed (that's what happens to me instead of them melting away), and that's when I realized I was dreaming. Thanks Cube for this post, this technique is now a favorite of mine.
the time has come to write a book called "The cube technique", earn zillions of dollars and sleep and OBE all the time [:D], you have to copywright it fast or they'll get you [}:)]
the urge to shift positions after awhile happens to me a lot-especially if I'm meditating.
I just figured that my lower back muscles needed stretching-so I do that,then lay on my side,and I'm out like a light.
I'll practice resisting that urge to shift onto the side.that happens ALL THE TIME.
Your a genius Cube. [:D]
This has actually happened to me quite a few times, I would get an overwhelming urge to move, swallow, or scratch an itch, and then mess up any possibility of attaining a full trance state by giving in. Now that I know what this is, I'm going to give it a try.
I read in a few place, don't remember where, but the leg twitching is very common, so is the urge to scratch an itch...its just your body becoming asleep, the thing is to ignore it as best as possible. For me, at first was the itching(which been described as spider webs or ant's crawling on your skin), but with practice I got past it. I still get the occasional leg twitch but much less than when I first started.
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Originally posted by Orygbus
I read in a few place, don't remember where, but the leg twitching is very common, so is the urge to scratch an itch...its just your body becoming asleep, the thing is to ignore it as best as possible. For me, at first was the itching(which been described as spider webs or ant's crawling on your skin), but with practice I got past it. I still get the occasional leg twitch but much less than when I first started.
You read it on the forums oh..a few hundred times..LOL.[;)] I even mention several times that once I went to scratch and my astral arm came up instead.
I agree, just ignore and all shall be fine. I too found it doesn't happen near as much when I first started.
Nay
I've managed to ignore the urge to itch, am now practicing ignoring the urge to move, BUT... I get an overwhelming urge to swallow which I try to ignore but the longer I leave it the more I feel I am going to choke! Any suggestions?
Yea I get the urge to swallow too. I'm past the itching, it's just the damned twitching.
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Originally posted by Seven
I've managed to ignore the urge to itch, am now practicing ignoring the urge to move, BUT... I get an overwhelming urge to swallow which I try to ignore but the longer I leave it the more I feel I am going to choke! Any suggestions?
I heard opening the mouth and turning the head to the side might help.
Ok, I'm over the move and I've managed to stand twitching, itching, swallowing, farting and breathing. What to do now?
On twitching, you might try to do some stretching before laying down. I also like to use one of these to relax my feet:
http://www.shapeupshop.com/fitness/recovery/massage_peanut.htm
It's just a theory but maybe the twitching is because parts of you are relaxing all at once, so if you pre-relax them you won't twitch? Please let me know if that works for you, I'm interested in seeing what the solution is to the twitching problem.
It could be a similar thing with the swallowing, maybe try to drink some water first and give yourself a deep neck massage or gargle to stimulate the back of your throat.
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What to do now?
Hmm, I guess you do nothing! As far as I can tell laying still is really the only thing to do the whole time and if you're conscious while your body goes through the process of falling asleep then you'll feel when it's over and then you can do your normal focus 10 stuff.
I must say that the "urge to swallow" is one of my recurring impediments as well. Do you think that this action is also one of the techniques which the body uses to "test" the mind as well?
One other question- in that I am less familiar with the new-speak Monroe terms, may you please lightly dilineate the state refered to as "focus 10"? Is this the state one would exit from? If so, what techniques, other than the ROPE do you recomend in this line of OBE thinking?
Thank you,
Stillwater
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It's just a theory but maybe the twitching is because parts of you are relaxing all at once, so if you pre-relax them you won't twitch?
Actually I think that is due to energy flowing through. I've had the swallowing problem, only a few times (thank-goodness) It's a natural thing, so I found if I just went ahead and swallowed, it doesn't bother any of my relaxing.[^]
Nay
Hey cube,
I practice brushing-energy techniques at bed-time every night and every time I end it at cue to the "urge" to switch positions in bed. It's always like, let's get all of the parts done before "it" comes!!
I'm really glad I took the time to read this thread. Do you think my energy-workouts will impede anything towards a possible AP/OBE? If I resist the urge to switch positions, is that when the vibrations come, like during or after Focus 10?
Anyways, thanks for the tip -- I also have the swallowing-urge, which I'm sure Nay remembers my complaints about, but I don't think that plays a big role in upsetting the process...unless you think it does and let THAT plague your mind.
I think if you feel bothered by body feelings you are on the wrong way. Somehow you have to turn your attention away from those feelings. I know it is difficult and I can't advise any method. It is something to do with a proper attitude one have to hit. When the temperature is around 40C and I turn and toss in my own perspiration and due to the pollens I can't breath throuh my nose I still could have the chance to hit that attitude, because I focus on the sense of being in my desired state not on the process and the body. Also, those problems tend to dimisih with time.
I have no problems with body feelings after I get my position because I don't focus on my body at all - I focus into my mind from the very beginning. You could sleep without itching and swallowing, don't you? You even don't need to relax your body but still could sleep. Sometimes relaxation is useless. I don't relax my body except some deep breaths in order to make the transition more continous by forestalling the natural process. When I sleep on my side I relax from my neck with a couple of deep breaths. I've observed that if my neck is relaxed my whole body is relaxed as well.
Twitching, need for swallowing, etc. are represent unconscious opposition. Twiching is the result of inproper sleep paralysis when someone reach the hypnagog state without emotional balance. If you observe your hypnagogic pictures you would realsie that supressed problems and agression cause motoric spurts.
Anyways, I think, not moving, of course, is essencial but not sufficient. I could lay motionless for hours without any results if my mind is busy or the cyrcadian/homeostatic processes aren't form a window of entrance.
An untested idea: you could try the Rapid Fire Method with very short loops (T=3-4 min) right after you awakened from a dream of the first half/third of your sleep. Just start the loop before you get to sleep and when you wake up from a dream, write down the time and put one of the earphone in your opposite ear than the side you sleep on. Of course you shouldn't move if you want to project. As you fall asleep use the signals as reminders to repeat your latest dream until it become your reality. (You would wake up from your dreams if you set an alarm clock to +2h every time you wake up by your own or by the alarm. If the clock is far away from your bed, very loud and everybody hates it (and you're not impassive about their feelings) then you would wake up before it goes off, most likely just after a dream sleep.)
Stillwater, you could detach in F10 by forcing movements of your hand provided that you're body is extremly relaxed. This is not meant sleep-paralysis but extremly low muscle tone. You would feel like a fly trapped into a honey like substance. After a hard separation you would be blind but you could observe a cable attaching to your solar pelus regio. This type of projection doesn't fit into sleep disturbing methods at all, because it is a NREM-phenomena while phasic disturbance will increase REM-sleep, muscle tone & blood pressure.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a problem with swallowing! [;)]
I tried ignoring the swallowing urge earlier and I found that it got to the stage where my throat would just contract/convulse on its own, so I'm pleased to hear that the swallowing shouldn't be a problem. I always have a drink of water before I lie down; relaxing my neck properly has been a problem as ever since I went to the osteopath to sort my back out, my neck's been out of alignment ever since.
Upstream, I think you are correct as I once had a kind of OBE, or at least astral vision, while walking around in my physical body (I posted on this somewhere) so I think the trick must be proper focus.
Earlier I lay down, ignored the urge to move (had to swallow though), felt my body falling asleep 3 times, had something like a camera flash go off in my 3rd eye, felt energy rushing all through my body, but nothing happened. When I tried to move I was still in the physical. Should I have tried a technique (never had any results from climbing rope) or waited longer? I was hoping to just exit naturally. Maybe it was because my boyfriend was in the room? I can say though that when I got up I felt completely energised and awake.
hmmm, i dont know if this is obe'ing but maybe you guys can tell me. I have recently been able to randomly be coherent at the exact point im falling asleep. And the great thing is, even if i wake up because it surprizes me, once i do it the first time that night, i can continue doing it. But what happens is, i dont get any kind of urge to move, it usually happens when im just thinking about something, and ive forgotten about trying to sleep (this can wake me out of it tho, because when i become aware that this is happening, i become aware and it stops, best way i can describe it)i actually was aware while my body was going to sleep once. It was crazy, it felt like the inside of my bones were spinning, like they were wheels, and the sensation was everywhere, and so intense, i felt if i opened my eyes it would be in the way and id be blind, so i didnt dare. Anyways, i forced my body to move because i was freaking. But since then, a few times ive done it again, only there were no sensations. Every time after (maybe a few) i just went numb. No sensations or anything, totally clear, i feel like im still just laying there trying to sleep, except my body is numb, and it takes a real effort to move, which un numbs me. Is that uncommon?? I mean, the first time i get the incredible experience, then any time after, just numb?? I talked to my mom about it and she says that she regularly is concious when she goes to sleep, she described it like i did, just going numb. Maybe they are 2 different things?? Also, if going numb is the beginning of trying to OBE, what should i do after it??
Another thing, it helps me to do this if im lying on my back for some reason. Its impossible for me to do if im like, on my side, for instance. wierd.
I forgot to say that when I felt my body fall asleep I also noticed I was in REM as my eyes were darting about all over the place. Could I have separated but left my consciousness behind in the physical? I know I was trying to observe my body fall asleep, which I did. Is this possible? If so, how do I get out? So far I have not been able to consciously exit, only from LD and once partly from meditation (but was still in physical).
SwallowingI guess I have had the swallowing thing a little bit. It only happens when I am laying on my back. I think that there's some part in your throat that relaxes back into your throat and causes a gag reflex?
I have a feeling this can be fixed by putting your head at the right angle. When I lay on my back I use a hand towel behind my head folded twice so there are four thicknesses of fabric under the back of my head. I don't normally get the swallowing thing so it could be that I get that when I don't use the towel so my head is just a little bit too far back.
Actually, I have never really found a good reason to lay on my back to meditate and recently I've mostly been laying on my stomach/side as if I'm sleeping. It's easier for me to relax in that position.
Also, when I lay on my back with my hands at my sides, sometimes my hands will flop all by themselves on to my stomach and wake me up. I don't know why that happens but it never happens when I'm on my side, so I'm kind of giving up on laying on my back.
I doubt that swallowing is an 'are you sleeping?' signal from the body because it's not something that you can really ignore. If you're choking then you pretty much have to do something about it.
TwitchingHere's a page on it that seems to agree with other references on the net about twitching:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_090.html
When I look back at the times when I had an extreme twitch event, like when I felt like I was falling out of bed, or when I fell asleep in class and it felt like I was falling, it seems like it felt a lot like I was on the edge of sleep but not quite. I was wavering back and forth because I wasn't relaxed or comfortable and my body got confused about where parts of my body were and panicked trying to keep things synched.
I think twitching is mostly that you're not relaxed enough ahead of time. Like Nay says it could also be from an energy imbalance. Ether way I think you should do stretches first to even things out.
I almost always do toe touching, splits, stretch my arms against the wall and use that foot massager before laying down for a meditation in the afternoon.
Focus 10Focus 10 is what Bob Monroe labeled the state when your body is asleep and your mind is awake. I'm pretty sure that there are actually many 'grades' of Focus 10, and just because you've put your body to sleep doesn't mean you're ready to project.
There are a lot of techniques for exiting once you're in Focus 10, but the problem is that if you're just barely in F10 and you try a technique that involves moving your body you'll probably move both your etheric and physical bodies a bit and wind up waking up.
My personal exit method is to focus on the force of gravity to press me into my bed and out of my body. This way I never have to move anything and if I'm not quite in F10 I don't ruin it. If I am in F10 then it's no problem to move by thinking about pressure so you just slide right out.
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Do you think my energy-workouts will impede anything towards a possible AP/OBE?
No, they shouldn't hurt at all.
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If I resist the urge to switch positions, is that when the vibrations come, like during or after Focus 10?
For me the vibes sometimes fade in lightly before the switch positions urge comes, but it may be different for you. I'm still exploring this boundary so I'm really interested in what you and everyone else finds about it.
Mental stateI agree with upstream in that your mental state and stillness is just as important as staying physically still. It seems like with me my mind is either blank or I have some kind of daydream imagery going on in the background when the vibes and switch urge comes.
However, it never happens if I am consciously thinking about one thing or another, at the very most I have a conceptualization going that's pretty innocuous.
Seven,
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Earlier I lay down, ignored the urge to move (had to swallow though), felt my body falling asleep 3 times,
Did you get the wave of heaviness come over you 3 times?
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Should I have tried a technique (never had any results from climbing rope) or waited longer?
Not necessarily, it's a lot better to stop and examine what happened and then try to figure out a way to get back there consistently than it is to go charging off in a projection each time [:)].
Can you tell us more about exactly what you did you get to that state and if you saw or heard anything other than the flash? Did you feel any vibes?
Mgkeeper,
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i felt if i opened my eyes it would be in the way and id be blind, so i didnt dare
It sounds like you're in sleep paralysis, which is an excellent state to project from. You should try opening your eyes, you'll probably be seeing the astral version of your room.
Astral sight tends to magnify qualities of things so if you have a nice and clean bedroom then you'll maybe see a nicely snazzed up room.
When you're paralysed, relax and do deep breaths until you separate. For me and several others on the forum, if I'm in 100% paralysis and I do deep breaths it makes me exit every time.
Can you give us any other hints about how you're slipping into sleep while staying conscious? Is this something you can do every night?
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My personal exit method is to focus on the force of gravity to press me into my bed and out of my body. This way I never have to move anything and if I'm not quite in F10 I don't ruin it. If I am in F10 then it's no problem to move by thinking about pressure so you just slide right out.
That sounds like an intelligent solution to me. I have always utilized a mental falling sensation, but this idea sounds more passive and less troublesome.
Thank you,
Stillwater
I remember reading (I don't remember where, maybe Astral Dynamic)that swallowing is normal. You want to swallow. Once you begin to go deeper you'll begin to swallow less. I also read you can try putting the tip of your tongue up against the roof of your month. You can try not drinking a few hours before your practice.
Cube, you are getting more famous with your techniques [:)].
Oriental monks, budhists, yoguis and other guys that use meditation reach a similar state. I remember a time, at a few years ago when i had a different strenght inside of me (i was more energetic.... am i getting old?), that entered in a great state of meditation.
Everything it was very clear and lucid. It was a pure moment. While, after somewhile i started to feel a kind of bubble like you said. I feel like my mind was expanding and my own being expanded too. It was like i was getting out of my body but in a different manner from obes (i suppose, since i nver obed...). Now that i think on that, it´s the same sensation that you speak about.
btw, you could try to do other thing in that state ( i do it only a few times in the past, now i cant do it i dont now...to less concentration capacity): first you must enter the state when you feel your mind completly awaken and lucid. YOu must feel, before the meditation, completly lucid and with mental energy and concentration.
Then you will reach the state. When you are in that state, completly lucid, you will think in everything causing you pain in your life: people that you dont like, people that you hurted, people that hurted you, people that it is suffering, anywhere in the world. Then, try to see why people hurts other people. They do it because they are blind and because of that, even if they dont see it, thet are suffering with that, they are collapsing. When you start feel compassion for them, forgive them for their sins. But forgive them really from the heart,cleaning your soul, feeling love and compassion. Do the same exercise of compasison and love with everyone, every being.
I dont know how to explain it, but when i did that it was one of most beautiful moments in all my life. Cant explain it, but it was like if i was one with the world. Amazing.
Ok, now i have some questions:
1- What is the focus 10? Describe the state please.
2- Isnt that state used to have obes too? if you dont habe body, maybe the next step it´s easy. I think that it is tthat state that Robert Bruce refers (maybe not specifically).
3- Is that state the same think like when you have sleep paralysis? I mean, if you try to move your body, you will feel it paralised, unable to move it.
thanks for the good ideas Cube!
Seven, I've been having the camera-flash from my third-eye also. Your current description of your progress sounds like where I am at. Except I haven't been putting effort into the exit as of late. I've basically just turned my every-night to brushing-techniques (my lazy version of N.E.W.), but with cube getting me excited with this thread, I'll start reapplying some will-power.
Earlier I got to the point where my body started to try to get me to move. I ignored it, and it got worse until it was quite excruciating, and then the feeling of heaviness set in. By this point my body felt hard to define. However, I wasn't able to project, I tried doing rope and although I did feel my energy double tug a bit, it didn't come out. I think I'm still too focused on the physical body when I do this, I need to get to the point where I don't feel it at all.
Someone should make a list of the different levels experienced in focus 10 so they know what would be the best point to try projecting from. Just having the physical body asleep doesn't seem to do it for me.
will moveing youre eyes effect anything
because when u are dreaming dont youre eyes move[?]
Cube,quote:
Did you get the wave of heaviness come over you 3 times?
Yes, a wave of heaviness, or sinking feeling, 3 times. I suppose my body fell asleep then woke up 3 times?
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Not necessarily, it's a lot better to stop and examine what happened and then try to figure out a way to get back there consistently than it is to go charging off in a projection each time [:)].
Can you tell us more about exactly what you did you get to that state and if you saw or heard anything other than the flash? Did you feel any vibes?
I ignored body being uncomfortable (thanks for that tip, it was a real stumbling block!), just lay there, focussed on 3rd eye & crown.
I have felt my body fall asleep on several occasions. About the vibes, I don't think so, just felt my body fizzing with energy. The only time I have felt strong vibes was when I did a visualization of magnetic lines of force above crown; I must have entered a lucid dream where I was floating towards the lines of force, then grabbed hold of them. It was like an electric shock, it woke me up so violently my eyes shot open & I sat up in bed LOL! [:O]
I did have hypnogogic images but as usual they went & I couldn't hold them. One was interesting though, I tried to imagine myself above my face looking down on myself and LOL I saw someone completely different! Tried to focus on her but couldn't hold the picture.
I have a theory that I have been experimenting with, but being as I have not consciously exited as yet, maybe you'd like to try it out & let me know if I'm on the right track?:
If you follow energy up the spinal cord to a place in the middle of your head, the easiest way to explain it is draw a line down from the crown, a line back from your 3rd eye, this should be roughly where the lines cross. Once you hit this spot you will feel it, a bit like when you hit a tennis ball there is a "sweet spot" in the racket where the ball seems to go without any effort - I think of this as my "sweet spot"! Well I imagine myself standing on this spot, then imagine myself looking up to see a golden sphere gently vibrating. I try pulling this into this spot in my head & feel the energy fizzing in me quicker. I then look up again & see another golden sphere vibrating quicker than the last & do the same. I continue doing this. Sometimes I do it looking up to the crown, sometimes looking out to the 3rd eye, sometimes (when I'm feeling ambitious) I try both simultaneously. This is what I did to get to this stage and it seems to work for me, at least it's got me far further than the rope; I feel so close now!
Blackbox,quote:
Seven, I've been having the camera-flash from my third-eye also. Your current description of your progress sounds like where I am at. Except I haven't been putting effort into the exit as of late. I've basically just turned my every-night to brushing-techniques (my lazy version of N.E.W.), but with cube getting me excited with this thread, I'll start reapplying some will-power.
This is the first time I had the camera flash whilst body asleep & eyes closed, it went off like a very big camera flash on a dark background. However, I have often experienced a small camera flash in 3rd eye while awake, either when lying down to begin relaxing or in certain "more aware" states in my normal day-to-day life.
I have been using NEW for just over a week now and I can tell you that it has helped me rediscover my energy which I lost when I was around 15, just over 20 years ago! It used to come naturally but I guess I got blockages due to certain injuries, both physical and emotional. Since then I have suffered depression, self-harming, abuse of alcohol & experimenting with drugs. I now realize all that was an attempt to get the feeling back that I used to have naturally.
The thing is, I never knew what I had at the time, I just saw it as an ability to make certain parts of my body respond. There just wasn't the information out there then; libraries didn't have anything on the subject and there was no internet! Since doing NEW I have rediscovered my energy, now I just have to apply focus which is the hard bit! I will be posting a new thread on NEW/Energy soon.
Try experimenting with NEW. For example, if you have problems relaxing your face (as I did), try pushing energy across your cheekbones, lower jaw, eyebrows etc. Also down ears & nose & trace the energy all the way. This has cleared a lot of blockages for me.
My depression has lifted, the self-harming seems to be going away, at least for now, and I am getting closer to the way I used to be. The only downer is I have lost my appetite to an extent and I can't really afford to lose weight as I was slightly underweight to start with!
I found that putting some effort into the energy work for about 3 days was all I needed, it comes automatically once your body learns what to do - a bit like riding a bike or driving a car, once you have learnt it it comes naturally. You will probably find, like me, that you can be doing something else & suddenly you realize that you can feel yourself drawing energy even when you haven't been consciously doing it.
Hmm, thank you cube for that timer, just what
I needed [:D]
Stillwater,
You're welcome, please post about your sucesses and especially any troubles you have with doing this!
Kazbadan,
The meditation you describe sounds a pretty heavy, I doubt I'm ready for it right now but maybe one of these days I'll be balanced enough to do it.
Your questions:
1- What is the focus 10? Describe the state please.
Major Tom just posted an excellent summary of this at http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13644
2- Isnt that state used to have obes too? if you dont habe body, maybe the next step it´s easy. I think that it is tthat state that Robert Bruce refers (maybe not specifically).
"Focus 10" is Monroe's terminology for the body asleep, mind awake state which is the first step (usually) for having an OBE. Some people can actually project while their body is fully active, I am not one of these people.
3- Is that state the same think like when you have sleep paralysis? I mean, if you try to move your body, you will feel it paralised, unable to move it.
Yes, I think that sleep paralysis is an initial stage of focus 10, and probably you have to go a little deeper than that in order to actually project.
LordoftheBunnies,
it got worse until it was quite excruciating, and then the feeling of heaviness set in.
Yes, that's exactly the feeling. It is almost painful trying to ignore it, I am personally glad it's intense because that makes it impossible to miss.
Someone should make a list of the different levels experienced in focus 10 so they know what would be the best point to try projecting from.
I've been working on seeing if I can separate out the different stages, it seems like this is the earliest, there's another where you're in the process of separating out your limbs and body, then finally you're out.
There are probably substages to all those as well, and I'm looking for good consistent ways to mmove between them. If anyone has ideas on this please post them!
fire,
will moveing youre eyes effect anything
because when u are dreaming dont youre eyes move
It's not very important if you're eyes are moving but it is important that you don't consciously move them. They may start doing things on their own and that's ok, but if you shift your consciousness to them and move them, there's a good chance that you'll also raise your brain frequencies up out out the hypnagogic range and lose whatever imagery you've got going.
At least that's been my experience, however it's also probably true that if you're very skilled at controling your brain frequencies that you can learn to move your muscles consciously while keeping yourself in a trance.
Also, about the need to swallow, I have noticed that simply ignoring the urge does indeed take care of it. Eventually, once enough saliva has accumulated at the back of your throat, your body will swallow it involuntarily. Since it does this every night while you're asleep, there's not really any danger of it breaking the trance state. Once the wave of heaviness comes over you, even the need to swallow goes away.
You guys might also want to check out www.bio-health.com.au , they have a subliminal suggestion software where you can write your own suggestions. It's got a free 30 day trial, you can train yourself to handle just about anything your body can throw at you with suggestions. After two weeks of shooting focus messages to myself I'm finally able to hold my focus on one thing during the relaxation stage, no more worrying about anything else around me.
gravy,
I strongly caution you to NOT encourage others to buy that product.
It's a clone of www.subliminal-power.com
I bought it a while back, and through research found out that it is complete garbage. Any results that come from purchasing it and running the program come from your own manifestation. Nothing should be attributed to its technicality. Subliminal messaging does not work in this manner. The popcorn example many of these websites use was also revealed to have been a hoax.
I really have to jet out the door right now, but if you guys want additional support, I'll be obliged to research it again for you -- I don't want others to waste money like I have...
great post Cube!
I was observing my body fall asleep last night, and I was amazed of the amount of itching and twiching I had!..Why don't I itch and twich so much during the day??
Now the question may be silly, but I'm curious and it may help me work on my relaxation more conciously:
1. what is an itch????????
thanks!
Itch is something you need to scratch, Hannah. Welcome back. I think the reason is an unconscious opposition, so you'd better to neglect it by turning your awareness away from your body or by simply scratching it.
I usually get this random twitch (a finger, a toe, my cheek, eyebrow etc.) when I lose consciousness while in Alpha/focus10. I've always assumed that it was a helper or something trying to keep me awake, but it could be just my subconscious trying to "help" me with the process.
An itch on the other hand, depending on what it's like, can signify that not all of your bodies energy/chakra connections are working smoothly. This requires some work with NEW to fix. If you then get a kind of muscle twitching (different from a random twitch that you get as explained above) you definitely have a blockage of some sort and need to get chakras working around the area. Then you need to work energy through the area. A couple of days of practice and the twitch/itch in *this particular case* should eventually go away.
[:(] Okay Maybe I'm just a dork when it comes to computers, but I can't get this darn timer to go off! (the idea is genius by the way [:D])
K Heres whats happenin. I clicked on the link. A window comes up that has three icons. Beep, Silence, Timer. I tested beep, it beeped, I tested silence, it was silent, I tested timer. Everything works on timer except the fact that it wont go off! [|)] Ugh it's frustrating me. I've been playin with this thing for about 20 minutes... Please tell me how to get the timer to go off. And, yeah, go ahead and laugh at me all you want. I'm laughin at myself. Excuse my ignorance in computers. Oh btw, did I mention this idea is genious? [:P] *k ill shut up now [;)]*
1.) Type 1 into the "Interval 1:" field
2.) Hit Start Alarm.
3.) The "Timer Stopped" message should change to "Timer Started 0:01" and begin counting up
4.) When it gets to 1:00 it should beep.
If that doesn't work please tell me what step number it fails on, and also what web browser are you using?
Edit: I just tested the timer and it didn't work for me either! I am somewhat mystified because it was working last time I checked it. Anyway I went in and changed some stuff and now it works, so I uploaded it again to astral pulse. Please download the new version and let me know if it's ok for you. Sorry for the confusion... [xx(]
I did some research on itching but it's either gross or useless...well nevermind, I guess I'll just ignore it although I'd love to know what is exactly going on..
I never left Upstream, but it's also nice to see you, and especially your dark but hilarious sense of humour[;)]
My friend and I were talking about this. It seems that from what we have noticed, you actually lose awareness before you fall asleep. For instance, you continue thinking about something, and it gets off on a completely illogical tangent, but you keep following that tangent as if it weren't illogical at all (kind of like following a talking white rabbit down a rabbit hole). My friend believes that your mind has to be engaged in this illogical train of thought before you can fall asleep.
So if you keep yourself from falling into the train of thought, it seems that you also can't fall asleep. Do you try to observe this train of thought neutrally? Once you get to this state, sleep is near, so if you can take note of being in the illogical train, maybe there is something you can do to take advantage of it?
[:(] It still is not working! I really think this technique will work so it's frustrating me beyond words. Ugh. [|)] I'll keep trying and let you know if I get it to work.
I find that it works better if you skip atleast one meal before doing it, I also find that it helps if your slightly tired. It doesn't always work with me, even with the same exact conditions, but it will work, eventually.
amazing technique,
the first time I tried it I felt a whole wavy swish feeling go through my lower body, while I was in the border line state.
(http://www.geocities.com/cismanmusa/beatit.jpg)
Hannah b,
I'm not sure what causes the itching, it could be purely physical such as dust or dryness. I found that using a room air filter helps to cut down on the dust that falls on you while you're laying there and therefore you get less itches, but I have never really had it all over. I suppose the other things would be to use a humidifier and skin lotion.
mactombs,
Following the illogical thought pattern is one way into sleep but it's not the only way. You can also phase directly into a LD and never become incoherent, some people can OBE while they are fully conscious and aware of their physical surroundings at the same time.
quote:
Do you try to observe this train of thought neutrally? Once you get to this state, sleep is near, so if you can take note of being in the illogical train, maybe there is something you can do to take advantage of it?
Yes, if this is the way that you enter dreams then you should watch very carefully what happens as you go down. However keep in mind that you don't *have* to become illogical because when you're familiar with the states you pass through you'll be able to skip over them.
Orygbus,
Those are good points, I'll edit the post to mention those. If you have more ideas please post them!
19,
Welcome to Astral Pulse, it will be interesting to hear how things develop as you make more progress.
I was recently admonished for my explanations but, I can't stand to miss the opportunity to prove how clever I am. Warning: the following information is useless and could be upsetting you.
Well, onset of the theta state can be monitored by measuring dermal temperature as you can see in the description of the TMI PREP Session Physiological Monitoring @[url]http://www.monroeinstitute.org/research/J&J.html[url].
When one hit theta great amount of melatonin is released into the blood flow and will dilatate skin capillaries by acting on some newly-founded peripheral receptors. I suppose micro movements would stimulate nerve endings thus causing the itchyness.
That's another issue that one to what extent is able to perceive this and how to respond to it, because (except one) all sensory information is gated through the thalamus which is heavily influenced by unconscious processes. I suppose the itchiness could be used by various sub-systems, some of them may others may not loyal for the waking self and its purposes. Thus unexpected itching could be bad or good for us.
Some idea to get back to sleep (in order of importance):
1. Get a regular sleep schedule (something I'm unable to do)
2. Avoid emotional upsets, heavy planning/thinking while you're awake
3. Wake up by music that getting gradually loud not alarm (because it's more diificult to sleep back after a disturbed sleep cycle)
4. Observe your nasal cycles by exhaling through only one of your nostril at one time (block the other with your fingers) In theory, the best time would be when your nostrils are equally open and the right one is increasing. In practice? I don't bother myself with it.
5. Sleeping on your right side could help but don't force
6. Eat some light (tepid yoghurt with living cultures is my favorite)
Based on what upstream is saying, it sounds like itching is just a physical thing as opposed to mental or etheric, so that would mean that physical solutions like simple skin lotion before hand would help.
If someone could try that and post back with whether it helps with the itching it would be very informative.
Greetings Cube,
I have to admit this theory is brilliant I myself would of never thought of this I thank you sincerely for posting this magnificent Idea.Thankee sai
sincerely
Burning River
Hello! I am a complete newb when it comes to OBE and AP but I'm trying to learn as much as I can as I find this stuff EXTREMELY interesting. I have ordered Astral Dynamics and it should be here in a few days (I can't wait to read it!). This is my first post and thanks for the help in advance.
Last night I had to go to bed earlier than usual since I had to get to work extra early in the morning. My body was physically tired but my mind was not ready to go to sleep so I decided to see if I could get this to work. I laid motionless in bed and just began to think about stuff that was going on in my life and time fly by quickly. Twenty minutes soon passed so I just laid there waiting to see if my body would fall asleep. Sure enough, that unmistakable wave went through my body and it went to sleep.
I didn't really know what to do next to get an OBE or at least a lucid dream. I just sat there for about 20 more minutes trying to concentrate on sinking into my bed and out of my body, but nothing seemed to work. When my body was asleep, I almost felt as though it was separate from my mind and that I didn't really have any limbs. But, once it went to sleep I could open my eyes and even move my fingers without disrupting my body's sleep (I only tried doing this about 10-15 minutes after my body fell asleep just to test it, like a reality check). I noticed that when my eyes were closed they would sometimes twitch and move around quickly by themselves. I guess my question is what should I have done or can do next time to get an OBE. I know I am just starting at this and haven't even really read much and I know it takes a lot of practice to get OBEs, so I wasn't disappointed too much that I didn't get one. Thanks for the help.
-wookiee
P.S. I would like to thank you Cube for your numerous posts. You are extremely helpful.
Burningriver and wookiee,
It's good to hear that you found this to be useful! It's not easy to say exactly what to do next but the way I usually do it is to watch the visual impressions I start to get and then phase into an OBE.
I wrote a post on what happens as you go deeper and deeper while watching the visual impression here:
http://www.tunedmind.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=watching-impressions&x=345
Once you get to the point where you're in vivid animated impressions you can simple step into them, which is called phasing. You can also focus on the astral version of your body and then roll out to have a traditional type OBE but that's a bit trickier and more prone to failure because if you accidentally focus on your physical body you'll wake up.
For me, I find taking hot shower or bath right before helps with relaxation and helps to reduce the itching greatly...I read somewhere, it might be Astral Dynamics and other places, but itching can be physical, etheric, and mental.
Greetings Cube
I was able to do this twice
but then my legs arms and pelvis would fall asleep and not my shoulders stomach chest neck or head.
Any advice?
Gratefully
Adam Grazewski
I have a similar thing that happens, a lot of times I'll separate out my limbs but my torso and head are rubberbanded to my body.
I'm not entirely sure what to do to get past that. I think it's a matter of having too much focus in those parts of the body.
I've done some practice holding my focus completely on the inside of my head, about where the pineal is. It seems like after a day or two of doing that a lot yout body starts to feel like a physical thing that you're inside. Ever have that? It's somewhat strange but I haven't really connected to a way to make it so I can use that to completely separate.
Pretty interesting I think i'll try this out. I know sometimes if my mind falls asleep too soon i'll have a dream that i'm stoned and feel so dizzy..if i wake up i'm usually in the middle or close to the shift over but then i get to excited and take some steps back.
Fail proof way to observe yourself falling asleep. Rest your elbow on your bed with your arm up so that it's at 90 degree angle. Once you fall asleep it will fall and wake you up. But you will know exactly what symptoms too keep a look out for because they will occur at the exact moment your hand falls. For example, a sure fire way to know your body is asleep, though not always conciously aware, is that your thoughts will carry sound. When you drift off to sleep you think about many scenerios and envision them in your head. When you finally are asleep, these scenerios are audible. The people you may have been thinking about now have voices that you can hear. The pleasent meadow you thought of to help you sleep now has the sound of a nearby stream, etc. It's at the moment you hear these things that your hand will fall. Get use to it, and you will be able to instantaneously induce an LD, which may lead to an OBE.
hi cube,
You are a genius....
I browsed some of your stuff last night and had a look at your web site.
This morning I applied your technique of "staying still" when ur body wants to move and IT WORKED A TREAT. I tend to lie on my right side and this sends my right arm to sleep and this quickly becomes uncomfortable. But this morning, on becoming aware of the discomfort I ignored the sensation (I always normally roll over), refused to move, and within, maybe 30 seconds experienced exactly what you described. Namely a heavy sinking sensation. The sensation was Absolutely unmistakeable.
My body just produced this trance-like heavy sinking feeling. Just unmistakeable. After that I manged to "get out" and had a vivid LD experience. I'm still not convinced it was a true OOB. More of a vivid Lucid Dream. But I was impressed by the clarity and beauty of the scenery.
One interesting point is that I had difficulty "seeing" out of my right eye. The left eye was fine, but right eye had problems. I put this down to the fact that I was lying on my right side and this was squashing my right eye. Actually, I soon woke from the LD and actually shifted (physically) onto my back, to see if this would help. Then back into deep relaxation and back into the LD. Heavy sinking sensation again as you described, but this tiem I could see out of my right eye.
I am writing this about 14 hours after the LD, and the recollection of it, and the heavy sinking feeling is fading. But at the time it was very clear. One curious thing is I actualy have a "lazy" left eye, and my physical vision from this eye is poor. So now that I think about it, it's curious to think that in my LD my left eye vision was clear. This would never happen in physical life.
Good luck with the web site.
When's the book coming out?
catmeow
Hey guys I was wondering if you could tell me what it is I've experience. I've only had one successful OOBE in my life. The past two times I tried this technique the same thing happens I will have laid there gradually getting more and more relaxed. Slowly I get too a point where I feel like my bodies on top of me for a few seconds then my bodies kind of numb and it's dark and my hearing is fazey. Then from out of nowhere I hear this rush of wind/boom sound. Kinda sounds like someone blowing into a microphone real quick. Then even though my eyes are close it's like lighter around me and my hearing changes. Kinda like I can hear everything in that room pretty clearly. It feels as though I could move if I wanted to but I was kind of tingley. I'm not sure though I haven't tried to move after that point I kinda stayed there for 15 mins then fell asleep. The funny thing is right after the boom it is kinda hard to lay their it was kind of like OK I've had enough of this I want to get up.
Anyone know what this is?
zero
One saying I did notice was like a portal of vibrations. After 10 minutes of just laying there. I rolled my eyes up toward the top of my head after about six seconds of them their I looked over to the left and focused with my closed eyes they were so many vibrations there. It was like looking into a portal pulling them out through my vision and through my whole body. They were so much there had I not stopped focusing it would've caused my mind and body to pass out. It was like a high almost like Whip-its
with weed. It is the best way I can describe it. After I stopped focusing the vibrations wore off in about a minute. That's when I heard the wind/boom noise was shortly after that.
AlphaOmega,
You're correct about that method, it is very powerful. I don't usually use it because I have a hard time falling asleep in any position but laying on my stomach or side. I'm training myself to not have to do that and so I hope to be able to start using that technique because it is very powerful.
Hi catmeow,
That's great to hear! You definitely hit it on the nose. That's interesting about being able to fix your sight problem by changing your physical body's position, I'll have to experiment with that. Here's a trick you can use to improve your eyesight without having to wake up first:
http://www.saltcube.com/?t=eye-pry
Well, in a sense the book is already out! I put up what I have so far at cafepress here:
http://www.cafepress.com/saltcube
But the final version will probably not be ready for a couple months.
Bogata,
You were in the 'Exiting' stage on these charts:
http://www.saltcube.com/?t=how-close
At that stage if you use an exit technique like RB's Rope method or Gravity Press ( http://www.saltcube.com/?t=gravity-press ) you'll leave your body.
The rushing sounds are because you're sort of in between radio stations so to speak and you're getting random information. Did you feel any vibrations?
Wow, you saw a portal of vibrations? What Monroe says to do in a case like that is to send the vibes up and down your body and pulse them until they smooth out. Once the vibes have calmed down you've tuned to the right frequency and can get up out of your body.
I've tried exiting while I still had strong vibes and it never works. You've got to be phased in to just the right range and you can tell how close you are to the correct frequency by how strong the vibes are.
Did you see any imagery in the portal, such as people or a scene inside it? Probably if you watch the imagery you get from the portal and make it so it all looks clear to you, you can home in on the right frequency faster and then exit your body.
wow you reply back quick. Thanks cube the portal I saw or felt I should say. Was really weird it was like I couldn't see it because my eyes couldnt look at something like that. The best way I can describe it is the sun if you look at it for a few seconds you'll notice the middle of it is black. The color being so bright your eyes can't pick it up. It was much like that I knew something was there but no way my eyes would see it. It was so intense. I had to stop focusing or I swear I would've passed out. If you've ever had nitrous oxide or crouched down for 15 seconds held your breath and stood up. It was much like that I could feel if I focused on any longer things were going to turn black and fadeout also the vibrations had a high pitched yet comfortable sound to them. Much like the movie the matrix where Neo is plug-in for the first time and downloads the karate fighting style. That high pitched noise that you can see is affecting his brain it really was a lot like that. but hey you'll never hear me complain off a free high:-P if nothing else I'm going to see if I can't achieve that state again lol.
Thanks
Could you explain a little on how your mind should feel. I just tried it and can remember anything big happening except when I got up. It felt like I been asleep. Even though my mind was 100% awake all the whole time. There must be a step I'm leaning out. Should you be thinking about something or have your mind blank the whole time? About 10 minutes into it I tried the gravity press with no luck. To tell you the truth I'm not sure exactly how to do it. I kept trying to feel like gravity was pushing me through the bed but nothing. The at one point I remember focusing my mind. It seems like the more I focused the darker things got. But it was very hard to focus like that.
thanks Z
I think you would have good success using the method Alpha Omega posted above where you fall asleep with your arm raised. Once you do that once or twice it should be a lot easier to watch your body fall asleep while you stay awake.
10 minutes is probably too soon to try gravity press, you pretty much have to have passed through the vibrational state in order for it to work.
You probably had such good success the first time because you weren't really trying very hard. While methods like rhythm napping take a lot of steps to do, this one is best done by just forgetting about things and waiting for your body to do its thing.
It may help for you to daydream about something rather than doing a mind blank since that would keep your mind active and give you something to focus into once you're ready to separate out.
have you ever thought of doing this professionally? a oobe psychologists. You seem to really know what you are talking about.
Thank you very much for your help I will try it tonight.
If I may asked. What are your beliefs in astral projection? Do you believe it is merely created in the mind or do you believe there are other dimensions that you can go too? and in your opinion are astral projections, Lucid dreams and OOBE the same thing or diffrent?
Thanks cube, I checked out the links and advice!
catmeow
Hi Bogata and catmeow,
I'm really glad that we have this forum where we can help each other figure out how to do these things. I really enjoy reading people's reports of how things are going and ideas people have for improving the methods!
I think dreams, lucid dreams, OBEs and astral projections are all the same things at different levels awareness. I think there's a strong spiritual aspect to them but I haven't really been able to completely verify that for myself.
I tried the timer thing, it won't work. I tried it out in IE6, Javascript and sound turned on, volume turned up, waited for the timer to go off, no sound. Tested the timer and got no sound. So what's happened? I really want to try this method.
Someone else reported a similar problem and I fixed it on my forum but forgot to re-upload it to astral pulse.
The fixed version is here:
http://www.saltcube.com/timer.html
Please let me know if the new version works for you.
Just tried your new timer with my volume turned right up, still doesn't work. [:(]
Can you tell me if "Example 2" on this page works for you?
http://www.javascripter.net/faq/sound/play.htm
Also, what operating system and web browser are you using?
Yes, example 2 works. I'm using Windows XP Home Edition (SP2) and IE6.
Interesting Technique....Maybe I will try it out....but since when did the mind fall asleep? I thought the only way to let your mind rest was through 'meditation', 'blanking' or silencing of the thoughts....??
Which is impossible for me ATM.
I'm not sure how to fix this because I'm using XP IE6 SP2 also and the timer page uses exactly the same code as in example 2. Could you check to see if the timer page you have says "Version 2.3" at the top, maybe it's a cache issue?
quote:
but since when did the mind fall asleep? I thought the only way to let your mind rest was through 'meditation', 'blanking' or silencing of the thoughts....??
When you dream your mind falls 'asleep' in the sense that you lose conscious awareness of your waking life. The goal of this method an most of the other projection methods is to put your body to sleep while maintaining awareness of your waking personality.
There is no such point when the mind fall asleep. The mind has many parts. Basically, trance means the ability to let some of those parts fall asleep and to keep others awake. For example, you can say to yourself that you will fall asleep, but one part of your mind will alert you when you are ready to project. It is very simple and effective method to watch yourself fall asleep.
Also, you can watch yourself as you watch yourself. It sounds weird but even the effort to do that has a great impact on your sleep. I call it double self-reflexion and mostly combining it with the viusalisation of a warm red light ball in my neck which is very sedating and produce a hypnotic mentation that conductive for sleep.
As always, the main point is to sustain the awareness of NOW.
Someone pointed out that the link to the zip of the timer on the saltcube page was out of date, so I'ved updated it. The correct version is now 2.4. If example 2 worked for you and you have 2.4 it should work.
Hello Cube, WE ARE ON-LINE!!!
The verion is 2.4 but it doesn't work for me. [:(]
Well in any cases, im very close! i felt the wave, and a very heavy feeling in my chest, must be the heart chakra.. [:D]
G3MM4,
I uploaded version 2.5 debug to http://saltcube.com/timer-debug.html
Make sure IE doesn't give you a message at the top of the screen about it blocking the javascripot code and make sure that you have the security settings set to allow javascript.
When you hit "Test Volume" it will give you 5 alert boxes and then it should start playing the beep. The last box should be "5 detected ie4".
Can you tell me if it gives you all 5 alerts and if not what is the last one?
I also added a button that says "Raw playSound()" can you see if that makes it beep?
Scavenger,
Yes, you did it! I think the heavy sensation is because when your body falls asleep it takes more "neuronal effort" to make your muscles move and so it feels like there's more resistance.
Nice technique Cube.
Anyway, do you have to lay on your back to do this? will laying on your back help?
Also how can we keep a "silent mind"? Does that mean we have to try not to sleep, does it mean we dont' let our mind drift etc..
When i lay down especially on my back my eyelids automatically vibrate sometimes and my eyes move around i try not to allow them to but it still happens. Will this pull me out of trance?
quote:
Originally posted by cube
G3MM4,
I uploaded version 2.5 debug to http://saltcube.com/timer-debug.html
Make sure IE doesn't give you a message at the top of the screen about it blocking the javascripot code and make sure that you have the security settings set to allow javascript.
When you hit "Test Volume" it will give you 5 alert boxes and then it should start playing the beep. The last box should be "5 detected ie4".
Can you tell me if it gives you all 5 alerts and if not what is the last one?
I also added a button that says "Raw playSound()" can you see if that makes it beep?
Scavenger,
Yes, you did it! I think the heavy sensation is because when your body falls asleep it takes more "neuronal effort" to make your muscles move and so it feels like there's more resistance.
Yes it all worked. Should I use this one then?
Hi Ahmad,
The more I do this the more it seems that it's better not to have a totally blank mind but you do want to be daydreaming a little bit. It's good to do a mental focus exercise first in order to cut down on mental chatter to a degree, but then you want to let your mind drift into just being relaxed.
Here's an entry from my log that talks about what can happen when your body falls asleep:
quote:
I can't remember exactly what it was that finally got me to fall asleep. But when it happened there is a swelling feeling from the inside that fills your whole upper body right before your body shuts down. I was in the blackness, I searched what I could see for any kind of blob that looked like I could use it. I saw a cloudly like thing that could be a door so I went to it, opened the door with dream hands, behind the door was a cartoon type world, a country house. I flew around in it for a while trying to soak things in as much as I could. It had a very strong 3d shooter type feel to it from the way I was looking and moving through walls, that is probably because my perceptions are coloring things and not because the world is really like that.
G3MM4,
I took out the debugging info and uploaded Version 2.6 to http://saltcube.com/timer.html, thanks for helping me to get it working!
I don't think i can actually sleep when im on my back, its to uncomfortable. So maybe i could let my mind drift as much as i want until the vibes kick in. I'll post my findings if anything happens [|)]
Ever since I was 13, what has prevented me from projecting ultimately was the horrible pinpointed itches that pop up. It really is horrible. Just thinking about it is makin em come back.
Itll start as just one itch, say on my toe... Ill resist as long as I can, but then Ill slyly scratch it with my other foot. As soon as that itch is gone, 2 3 4 or more itchy spots pop up. Then I start to sweat from being horribly uncomfortable. Eventually, rolling over stops the itching, and ends the experiment.
The only way for me to overcome those insanity provoking problems has been to experiment when I am barely awake after being roused by something in the night or early morning.
I hope Cubes technique works, but Im afraid for me, I really doubt Ill be able to overcome this by facing it head-on.
A couple of shots of whisky helps with the trance but it screws with the quality of the projection
hehe, that was my problem in the beginning.. until i found out i had allergy and rashes because i had extreme itching. No mosquito bites or anything but i'd be itching whether its at school, during a test etc. Now the allergies gone [:D] and i learnt to fight the itching which is very mild atm.
I guess when i had extreme itch it taught me not to scratch. I was just trying to induce SP and some saliva when into my throat and it made it hard for me to breathe out. :-(
Here's an article on combating itching:
http://www.saltcube.com/?t=itching
Here is how to have an OBE once you've put your body to sleep:
http://www.saltcube.com/?t=after-fall-asleep
Is it possible to AP/OBE without going into SP/Trance/Focus10?, because in this book i'm reading they say you can without SP.
Yes, it's possible to AP while fully conscious although I haven't done it yet. Spectral Dragon does it that way, what book are you reading that talks about that style of AP?
You probably haven't heard of it but its called "Astral Voyages" by Dr. Bruce Goldberg. It's not the best of books but it was available at my local library.
This goes in conjunction with the Rapid Fire Phasing method at
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13576
It turns out the synchronization between mind and body isn't as close as we might expect. The body doesn't know exactly when your mind has fallen asleep, and for survival reasons would be dangerous for the body to go to sleep before the mind has.
So the what happens is the body tests the mind to see if it's asleep. If you lay with a silent mind very very still for about 25 minutes and are nicely relaxed, your body will eventually send a very strong signal to your mind saying "I'm uncomfortable, please shift your position in bed."
But this is just a ruse! The body is not really uncomfortable, it's just testing to see if it can get a response from the mind. If you ignore this signal, your body waits a few seconds and says "Hmm, the mind must have gone to sleep. Time for me to do the same."
At that point you will literally feel a wave of heaviness come over the body. This wave takes about 5 seconds to complete, and when it's done your body has fallen asleep. This wave is very odd feeling and distinct, it's something you can't miss.
There will be no doubt that your body has gone to sleep. If you have silicone putty earplugs in it will be easy to listen to your hearing shift from physical hearing into realtime hearing.
So the trick is to lie still until out of nowhere you get a sudden and strong urge to shift your position. It will not be easy to resist it, the body will be somewhat adamant. But if you persist in your deception and fool the body into thinking your mind is asleep then it will follow, and then there you are in Focus 10!!
Of course, the first time you do this successfully you'll probably get excited and flub it like I always do the first time. But if you do it a couple times it will become old-hat and you can just sail through it.
Update
One thing you should know is that it's very easy for the mind the fall asleep doing this, which is why I recommend using a self-repeating timer to keep your mind awake. It's like a safety net.
Here's the timer URL:
http://www.saltcube.com/timer.html
I was able to get this to work this morning without using a timer, but I just tried it in the afternoon and I had a false awakening instead. I was laying here and after a while I realised I was seeing hypnagogic imagery of a person walking I think in my left eye. I opened my eyes and the imagery overlayed on the physical scene, it made it look like I was projecting a movie film of the person walking on my arm.
When I started to try to understand what was happening I woke up for real. So pretty much if your mind does fall asleep before you get the 'reposition' signal from the body, then you've missed the opportinuty to test it.
Using that timer HTML page I posted to beep at you every 10 minutes will keep you coherent. As long as the sound doesn't shock you the beep won't wake up your body, only your mind.
2nd Update
The first time I got this to work I had only gotten about 3-4 hours of sleep the night before, maybe half my usual sleep time. That probably affected my ability to fall asleep pretty easily.
I've been watching to see for more effects and I've also noticed that before you get the uncomfortable sensation you feel a little dizzy and it's as if there's a balloon in your upper body and head that's expanding against the inside of your skull and skin. It's not very much pressure but it is there.
3rd Update
People have reported that:
1.) It works better if you skip atleast one meal before doing it. (cube: For me I don't like to be too hungry, but if I am trying to digest things then it does become harder to do.)
2.) It helps if you're slightly tired. (cube: Definitely this does help.)
3.) cube: For the time you're laying still, that means absolutely everything, including your eyes. Don't move your eyes even to look at hypnagogics.
If you have more observations about improving the method please post them.