Nice! Very nice!
I'll try this tomarrow night. Do you NEED that specific type of earplugs? Or would any kind do?
Of all the earplugs I've tried those are really the only ones worth buying in my opinion. My ear canals don't seem to be the right shape for the others and I can always hear things through them. You can get them at Target.
BTW I just updated the last part of the post with my theories on why it works.
Hey cube! That method sounds really cool. And it has something Im good at in it, sleeping! I dont know when Ill be able to try it though, for one I dont have a digital timer, (Ive tried another technique like this with a ticking timer and I could get to sleep at all) and two, even if I did have one it would be packed in a box somewhere because Im getting ready to move [:D]. But I will try it sometime, I just dont know when I will. Thanks for the method cube! Take care!
Thanks for that great post, Cube ! I'll try this technique next week.
Kind regards,
Mark
Something I discovered this morning is that it's easy to confuse your mind with this one. It's possible that you will project but think you're in the physical, the timer goes off and you sit there fooling with the timer and the display doesn't make any sense and it's because you're in the astral!
What I'm going to do is to make a CD with a ding at these intervals on it so you don't have to use the timer, and also you should do a reality check every time the timer goes off.
Thanks cube, sounds interesting! I'll put this on my 'to do' list.
Hi,
This sounds very interesting.. but I have one question: Is it absolutely necessary to put in earplugs? Because I dont have any earplugs.. couldnt I just roll paper and put it in my ears (if this is really necessary)?
thanks
Earplugs are optional but very useful, they just make it easier to fall asleep faster. Having a way to wake up at the given intervals is the only thing that's really important.
Ok, thanks.. I will try this tonight (right now it's 15.14 MET ) and then post my results tomorrow :)
I never had an concious OBE before so I'm willing to try everything[:D]
The anal method we have discussed with MajorTom is a funny sprout of my original method based on phasic/acustic disturbance of sleep (by LOG-loop). I've planned to write about this method, but you are ahead of my plans with your great thread, Cube. When I've ready your third post, I thought I have to reply. I'm sure you will find it useful. Maybe we could make a new method which works for everyone.
I use this method when nothing seems to work or I need to enhance my projection ability. Usually I lie down on my side (preferably on the right) and put an earphone into my other ear connected to my PC line-out socket in order to being waked up regularly (T=6-15 min. depend on the interruption time of sleep) by a brief, self-ceasing acustic signal - so there is no need to move. I start the loop after 4-5h sleep and 30-60m wakefulness (no protocolls are established in the name of fluidity - which really isn't work as regular rythms but sounds good) and "do the looping" for about 1-2h, or until some projection occurs, worthwile for getting up and write it down.
Applying the loop in the regular time window of interrupted sleep, the rate of successful projections moves around 4/5. Success is granted if all conditions are meet (proper sleep on the previous night, properly interrupted sleep, balance of mind, etc). The method might could be full-prof with a light but unpleasant change, causing many success in row. With T=3 min signal-frequency it even worked at regular bedtime.
In about 4/5 occasions I experience WILD, the remaining 1/5 cases are DILD like. The greatest thing I have to heighten is this kind of "phasic disturbing of the sleep" serve as a one-way path to the pre-OBE state. It will facilitate conscious stage#2 sleep, but will not exclusively terminate ongoing episodes of lucid dreams and definately will not ruin the generator state around stage#2. I even able to hear the signal from the dream state without blacking out and forced back into my body.
I use my PC running ClockWise as the mester timer of the LOG-signals. WinAmp or another media player will work as well, but continously read the same sectors of HDD. When I lived in a homestad I used burned CDs.
I advise a specific, brief melody around a sec of length. This is not necessary but gives you a number of advantages. By continously playing it in the background for some hours you could associate the melody with the act of getting back your body awarness. Again, the acustic disturbation will still work without it.
The original signal is generated in 1997 by an old computer called Enterprise - I'm sure some of you are still remember it. After a long break, when I warmed up this method in 2002, I played the original melody onto my PC at home. I still use this "old signal" in all signal complex, because I have no reason to change it. I just come up with it one day and still use it.
The main thing is simply disturb sleep deeply enough with a BRIEF signal to minimalise the response of sympatic nervous system. The lenghtly, fading pink noises have been tested and proved to be not so effective.
Actually the currenty LOG-signal I use is composed from three parts. A very quiet signal notice me and temper the initial shock if I'm still awake. Then comes two brief, harsh signal designed to get done the real job (the "old signals"). Most of the times I'm only aware the last one. Currently I try to find the optimal lenght between them.
According to the EEG, the first signal terminate sleep stage #3 & #4 and mix sleep stage #2 with some REM-like components (in the LOG-state activition of the paralysing system is one of them). The second signal inject my consciousness into the prepared superficial sleep, preferably directly into the LOG-state.
upstream I found that if I put an earplug in one ear and a headphone earbud in the other that's playing a huming sound made by BWgen or something, then I can fall asleep and when I heard the hum in only one ear in the dream I say WTF is that? And it can shock my into lucidity.
However, I have trouble falling asleep with the earbud in, and it doesn't always make me lucid, so I still have to tweak that one a bit io make it as reliable as Surprised Body.
Maybe programming myself to listen for that hum while awake as you suggest would help, it would be like a continual reality check.
Has anyone else tried this yet?
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I think you have misunderstood my whole method. It is like your Surprised Body method with a CD-player. The working essence of the original LOG-loop concept is a very loud and brief acustic signal that will raise you up from deep sleep. It's not a constant noise at all. (Continous reality check is not possible due to habituation.)
In one version of the LL, I have been used a very quiet bip-like noise in every 30 sec to help me get inner silence and continously keep me informed about the OS (crashed or still running). I've tired to use this signal for suprise the sensory gate when it is about to close (making me temporally deaf for noises below a treshold of volume). I've found that there is no such point, or more exactly, it could be absent when I suceed in being aware of my hearing all along. Seems like our brain is able to support many different OBE related states in which we are still able to hear.
But this states are not like LOG and more likely they will result some low degree etheric separations. In my opinion, the body is not really paralysed just slip into a state characteried by extremly low general muscle tone.
This method works. I just did it for the second time (first time didn't work) and I experienced multiple wakeups. E.g. I woke up and got out of bed twice before I realized I wasn't actually waking up. On the third try I got up and checked my deck of cards on the dresser(which was what I was supposed to do to verify the RTZ location) and got three out of four (I already knew what the first one was going to be but the other three totally threw me. Got one wrong, I think, but I think I'm getting errors in download. I'm going to work more with this exercise anyways)
The effect was weird in that I could swear I was waking up but I ended up not waking up. There was a dreamlike quality to the situation too. Other than that WOOHOO!!! Thanks for a great method!!!
Jeez I hope I'm awake right now while typing this heh :)
Jason.
I'd just like to say, after fully waking up.. that...
OMFG!!! I DID IT!!! For the first time ever too!!! I've been dragged out of my body a couple of times and ended up in dream state but this is the first time. It wasn't perfect but dammit it's not supposed to be.
Thank you cube!!! THANK YOU!!! TY!!! TY!!! TY!!!!
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That's fantastic!!!
You're right about how deceptive this method can be, the reality checks are critical because it's so easy to have a smooth projection and not know it.
I really want to know about how people are faring with this and what problems they're running into so I can work out the bugs. It works great for me but it would be a mistake for me to expect it to work for everyone without some tweaks, of course I can't make the tweaks without a lot of feedback.
Hey Cube,
I'll give it the method a test run for a few days and let you know what I come up with. Sounds promising![:)]
D.C.
Hey cube, sounds like a very promising method! I've actually (with the help of my snooze button) triggered false awakenings before. I think this will definatly increase the chances of it working again by great amounts. At either rate, I bought all the needed items tonight, so I'll be trying it out first thing in the morning before work! I'll let you know how things go.
I just tried it. Set my alarm two hours early and here I am; still sitting here wide awake and unable to get back to sleep. *sigh*
That sucks Leyla, I had a completely different problem though. I completely forgot which timer was specifically recommended so I bought some Oyster or something rinky-dink timer. I woke up two hours early, set the timer to go off in 5 minutes...woke up 50 minutes later and realized the timer was so quiet it didn't wake me up. Couldn't sleep the rest of the morning and now I'm dragging butt in work lol. Thank god I get weekends off. I'll be able to try more then.
Leyla, if you can't get back to sleep immediately, I find the best thing is to stay up for an hour before trying again. If I can't get to sleep in 15 minutes or so then laying there for a long time makes it even harder to fall asleep. This is one of the reasons I think it's good to start two hours early so that you have some leeway.
You can try drinking some heated milk and have a banana, that works pretty well too.
You should avoid exposure to bright light which will delay sleep onset.
I've found the most appropriate time to go back to sleep is when you hear bursts of inner noises.
You mean you hear hypnagogic sounds while you're up and around?
I'm going to try this. I am guessing that everyone else posted before has already had projection/lucid/etc.? I'm only asking because I've had nothing, or at least I don't think I've had anything happen to me. 'Course, I haven't really been trying for long, either. Well, I'll give this a try, if I don't forget about it by the time I got off.
Last thing I tried (while back ago, something about your feet being in a chair and you lying in the floor or something where you're making your legs fall asleep?) didn't work at all, but I did wake up about fourteen (yeah, I slept a long time, hehe) hours later to find the worst kind of discomfort in my legs. Had a hard time walking after that, and there was a strange pull in my legs afterwards.
Well, more posting (I've taken a mental note here) and then I'll try this. Thanks for the method, Cube.
edit: also, when you say morning, do you just mean that two hours before you wake? I sleep during the daytime most of the time, sometimes both, sometimes neither. Would that affect my, uh, ratio with those things you were talking about earlier (bad memory, sorry)? I'll still try it anyway, but I'm not sure how I can do this. Maybe I should just sleep for six hours and then try it? (I think I've found a bug for people who sleep like me, lol)
Hi all,
I tried this method this morning. During my 2nd 25 minute period I heard a loud whisper in my ear that startled me awake. I couldn't go back to sleep after that. It seemed so real. I'm always fascinated by the images, sounds and feelings of fear that can be experienced when you are dancing around the edge of OBEing.
I may try again in the morning.
D.C.
ImmuredSoul,
Yes, 'morning' is a relative term depending on what your body thinks is the right waking time. There are two reasons it's easiest to project in the morning. The first is that after sleep your body is very relaxed. The second is the ratio of those chemicals which cycle depending on your body's normal sleep schedule and not the exact time of day.
Dream Cadet
You're on the right track! My biggest hurdle has always been to not get excited and flub it when I run across a new phenomenon. As far as I can tell the only solution is to just exeperience hypnagogics often enough that it's no longer exciting and then you can ease through that stage without waking.
Cube,
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As far as I can tell the only solution is to just exeperience hypnagogics often enough that it's no longer exciting and then you can ease through that stage without waking
Oh yeah, I have experienced sounds like this way before I ever had my first OBE. Usually it is a loud bang, music playing or people talking. I think what startled me on this one is how close it felt.
Whoa! Here I am asleep and some man is whispering in my ear.[:O]
Sometimes when I'm getting close to exit, I feel like someone is standing over me and observing me. I mean right over me. It takes a lot to keep my focus but I usually do. This is a pretty powerful experience when it happens.
That's what is so interisting with this. You never know what you are going to experience along the way. The journey is almost as fun as the destination.
D.C.
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You mean you hear hypnagogic sounds while you're up and around?
Nope, I have to lie still and listen. I use earplugs to sample that noise. 5 minutes is sufficient to isolate a potential window. I've found that interrupting sleep greatly increase inner noises. You might observe as well that these noises tend to build into brief bursts hitting a treshold where they seem to transform into brief sequences of realistic noises & talking. Kinda like the auditory equvivalent of the fleeting visual pictures we see in the first stage of hypnagogia but these sounds are more close to the waking state and greatly related to potential OBE-prestates.
Letting the noises burst (if there is any at all) is one of my favorite thing to do in order to facilitate an "OBE," because this activity seems to help to close the sensory gate and perhaps directly promote sleep paralysis as well. I've found that I can facilitate these bursts by trying/letting to imagine brief sequences of noises or music.
First, as sleep progress, the intervals between bursts will decrease and at the same time noises become louder. With every burst, ability to hearing external noises is temporally lost. Eventually the bursts will unite into a loud sequence of white noise (sometimes almost inbearable) which is immediately followed by various degrees of silence and paralysis.
upstream, I've never quite made it to having a conscious projection from dipping into the hypnagogic like that but I think I understand what you mean. It's like your conscious level is a sine wave that's tilted downward wavering its way into the OBE frequency.
Lately I've had a problem where I trance out just about to the OBE point I think when all of a sudden my left forearm flops onto my stomach and wakes me up. Do you know of any way to counteract this or why it happens?
Cube I owe this to you, http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13425 thank you SOOOO much!
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It's like your conscious level is a sine wave that's tilted downward wavering its way into the OBE frequency.
I've never thought on the process like that. Maybe I would have to use it. It's more simple than my monsters and could be more easy to hold in the back of my mind. I prefer to think on the brain as a "continously humming system" being composed from various interconnected, competiting frequency generators. Possible brain-states are superpositions of those frequencies and exist at the same time, however most of them we yearn for have so little probabilities that they could be regarded as negligtible outcomes.
Ehhh, MajorTom is drown me deep into this binaural stuff again, soo...In general, there is no such thing as single OBE frequency. The most close to it is the 4Hz binaural stimulus feed into the brain through the formatio reticularis by its specific frequency (100Hz or 200Hz carriers: 198Hz in the left ear & 202Hz in the right or 98/102). FR is the proper place to target if we devote a frequency as overall stimulus to the whole of the brain. So, 200 [4] is almost standalone (used ain the end of the preset called "Tommy's vibratio starter", and the one I have had my first success with in 2000). And not to mention, that is also part of TMI consstructions like F10, F12, F15 and F21. Focus 12 - perhaps the most potent RTZ-OBE-inducer ever to date - is composed from 7 (8?) pair of carriers but still seems unable to define the OBE-state with enough accuracy, and one have to put off their headphone after 20-30 min of exposition to let the proper alingment to happen.
BTW, no serious idea about your dancing arm. Pray to that purple superbeing...
Ahh this technique is very very nice.
I tried it for the first time today and I got 3 times into
vibrations. But I guess I didn't continue from there for
some reason [:D]
1 time I were inside the dream already and made myself
relaxed there and I would certainly have succeeded unless
that #"¤"#& annoying dream character wouldn't have interrupted
me [:D]
I tried it out too!
Yesterday I got into the vibrational state but I didn't project because my back started to hurt.
Today I tried again bu when I woke up I couldn't get back to sleep.
Congratulations, Cube! This is by far the most effective method I've ever seen! (http://www.crocafe.de/forum/images/smilies/finger032.gif)
I'm ready to give this technique a try tomorrow morning. However, when you say:-
Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically
How long do I keep saying these intentions to myself?
If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?
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If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?
Time is non-linear. Which means that you can stay years in the astral while only being gone 2 minutes from physical reality.
First day, I forgot what I had my alarm clock set so early for, so I turned it off (unplugged it because the plug runs across my bed, somewhere).
Second day, I got three hours of sleep due to the fact that I was under attack by my six furry little beasts (cats and dog). I remembered about it that day, however. Didn't work, but I can say that I do have a crick in my neck.
I'll try keeping my animals out of my room next time (but they crawl under the door), and I'll have to do something with all of that light. Either change my schedual of sleep to where I wake during actually darkness, or put up a lot of thick blankets around the windows and door. Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and turn the animals into blankets for the windows and door [;)]
Also, you think you can use a jolt of electricity or something other than a sound. Some kind of feeling that should be timed, or maybe a quick flash of light throughout the room?
This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!
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This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!
Details on what occured during projection?
ImmuredSoul,
If light is bothering you, you might try a sleepmask. I got mine for about $8 at Bed Bath and Beyond. I have a porch light glaring in my window at night. This has been helpful.
I am also using a vibrating wristwatch for my alarm while trying this method. It's easier on the wife[:)]. It is made by Global Assistive Devices. It is designed for the visually impaired. I use the Vitalite3 model vl300. It has 2 seperate alarms and a resetable timer. It can be set to a beep or vibration mode. It cost $49 on the web but I don't remember where I got it. Just do a web search for Vibralite3 and you will find them if you are interested. There are a couple of things I would change about the watch but for the most part, I find it useful.
To Cube and all,
I tried this method again this morning. During the 15 or 20 minute segment, I can't remember which, I had a very clear and colorful dream. I was on a ship in the ocean. The color of the water was an intense seafoam green color. It was beautiful.
During the first 25 minute segment, I had a Lucid Dream in which I looked at my hands. The left one was not completely there. It had started to fade. I looked away and was a little surprised. I thought "now what?". I didn't have a game plan at that moment. I decided to try to fly. My result was more like floating or bobbing up and down. Next, I decided to go outside. I went through a doorway and thought to myself "Ahh, I love the smell of spring", I could actually smell the spring in the air and feel the sun on my face. It was cool. This is important because LDs are less frequent for me than OBEs. I almost never have an LD.
I could not complete the 2nd 25 minute segment. I had become too awake at that point. I had to get up.
I am going to give this some more effort. I enjoy the heck out LDs too. This seems to really help in that respect as well.
Happy travels,
D.C.
I'm going tonight to try waking up after 5 hours doing
this. I noticed a bizarre effect while doing this.
I need LESS sleep with this [:D]
I slept just about 8 hours when I normally sleep a bit
more. Dunno why [:D]
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I'm ready to give this technique a try tomorrow morning. However, when you say:-
Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically
How long do I keep saying these intentions to myself?
Just make the intentions to yourself at least once. The idea is for the last intention you have before going to sleep to be the intention to have a projection.
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If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?
For me I will typically project within the first ten minutes of the 25 minute interval. You know how dream time works differently than physical time, I will usually have what seems like a 10-15 minute projection in the space of no more than 5 physical minutes, going on what the timer says.
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This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!
matacombs, I would very much like to hear about your projection as well, please tell us!!
Dream Cadet,
Does that watch have the ability to program multiple times into it and have it so it only beeps a few times without having to turn it off?
I'd say that's an unusual LD you had, there have only been a few times when I was able to smell things in dreams and they were never pleasant odors! [xx(]
Hey Cube
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Does that watch have the ability to program multiple times into it and have it so it only beeps a few times without having to turn it off?
When you set the individual timer for more than 10 minutes. It beeps/vibrates once at 10 minutes remaining, once at 5 minutes remaining and then several times when it counts down to zero. This irritated me at first but I started setting the time plus 10 minutes. Now when it beeps/vibrates once, I know I'm done. I reset it to the next interval plus 10 minutes. If I accidently sleep through the first beep/vibration it will beep/vibrate again 5 minutes later. If I sleep through both of those, it will give the full 10 or so beep/vibrations when time expires.
There are two seperate alarm modes. They are like different alarm watches that act independently of each other. When the alarm fires for them, it goes off about ten times and thats it.
You can actually set one alarm for a specific time on the clock, set the second alarm for a time 25 minutes later and use the timer for the first few intervals if you like. I just use the timer though.
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I'd say that's an unusual LD you had, there have only been a few times when I was able to smell things in dreams and they were never pleasant odors!
Yep, me too! I think my LD was at about the same time that you usually OBE. If i would have thought about it during in the LD, I would have tried to turn it into an OBE. I'm going to try again in the morning if everything goes right.
D.C.
One thing I don't understand...
Why do you need ear plugs? [:O]
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matacombs, I would very much like to hear about your projection as well, please tell us!!
Okay, this is what happened...
First some back info. OBE's I know of: intentionally from a lucid dream, twice spontaneously on waking, and twice when observing myself have a fairly serious accident. The intentional projection from the lucid dream was
very convincing for me, and so far the source of most of my personal knowledge about the experience. There's a very distinct feeling to it, not to mention that things seem more real than they do while "awake". Anyway, I've been practicing daily and studying hard for at least 6 months, meditating for over a year, and it's been quite a journey. I have never been able to conciously project, however, and all my previous experiences were random. I feel that once I am able to take control of choosing when I project, to experience seperation, etc. I will be able to master it.
So we get to cube's method.
I got a digital timer from Wal-Mart, set my normal alarm for 3 hours early. I went to bed feeling certain that I would have an OBE.
About 15 minutes before my alarm would have gone off (6 AM), I found myself at work, fully concious. I was kind of stumbling and almost ran into someone seated at a chair in the foyer (at first I thought the building was empty). When I looked down, I saw that it was a woman. She looked so old she was cadaverous, her purplish-black hair was piled on her head in that old beehive fashion. Her body and features were twisted beyond what a living human ever should be. She didn't look at me, but her eyes were open just a slit, and from them this white fire leaked. I can't even come close to accurately describing how hyper-real she appeared to me, or how utterly terrifying she was. I got out of there immediately (I know how to escape to the physical quite well) and I woke.
This experience was a bit different too, in that I could sense inside me my subconcious or something, and this part of me was completely unafraid (in fact, when I almost stumbled into the woman, it said, "Now this I like!" before in my concious horror I got out of there). I also felt that this "lady" just wanted to be left alone, and a kind of very real power emanated from her that subtly changed the whole atmosphere.
So I woke up, shaken, but dealing with it easily enough (my subconcious seems to have been doing a lot of conditioning for meeting frightening things by how my dreams have gone in the past). So I continued cube's method.
I set the timer for 5 minutes. I couldn't fall asleep in the 5 minutes. When it went off, I set it for 10. When it went off next, I was seeing through my closed eyelids, feeling like I was drifting around a bit - but that alarm wasn't going to turn itself off, so I snapped out of it. This happened twice, as well as briefly feeling the vibrations. Then I messed up. Instead of doing 5, 10, 15, 25 minutes like I should have, I did 5, 10, 20, 45.
In the end, this was highly successful for me compared to previous attempts. I don't know if any of these count as "real" projections or not, but I feel confident that I will continue to have great success with this method (especially by doing it right the next time).
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One thing I don't understand...
Why do you need ear plugs?
They're not required but I find they're very very useful for two reasons:
1.) They make it so I can sleep deeper and faster because of fewer distractions. Even in a relatively quiet room, there is at least some sound just from air moving in your ear canals, and the plugs muffle all that out.
2.) They make it so you can listen to the whining sound in your ear which you can use to tell how far into trance you've gone. This makes very subtle hypnagogic noises stand out as well if you have trained your mind to have a perpetual mindblank.
mactombs,
One thing that I haven't tried yet but think should work is to turn on lots of lights in the room and make it really bright, then use a blindfold to block out all the light. Then when you do the procedure you will probably project into a more vivid and cheery place, and hopefully avoid frightening spirits. Do you have any thoughts on that?
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One thing that I haven't tried yet but think should work is to turn on lots of lights in the room and make it really bright, then use a blindfold to block out all the light. Then when you do the procedure you will probably project into a more vivid and cheery place, and hopefully avoid frightening spirits. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Yes, I think it's a good idea. I had to turn on my lamp anyway so I could see the timer for setting it. My lamp is a touch lamp that has three settings, and the lowest setting is not too bright for sleeping, and bright enough for my purposes.
That is very good mactombs. I think that next time you should maybe try lifting your astral arm before turning the alarm off?
Hi all...
well, I tried this method now and unfortunately it didnt work.. But of course I will try again. (Note: I didnt use earplugs)
I did it like this:
Go to bed at midnight
set alarm clock to 6 am (usually stand up at 8 am)
then I wook up at 6 am but didnt stand up or anything.. Just fell asleep again - am I supposed to stand up?
set the alarm clock for 8 am
wook up -- and I never fell asleep between the 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 minutes gaps.. what can I do here?
I just know I was shocked every time the alarm went off and that I had a very clear dream (maybe I fell asleep once.. or maybe even more, just dont know about it?) ... It was that the alarm went off and my mother came in and asked me what the hell I am doing with all the alarm.. Then she left my room again and my brother came in and asked me if the method worked (I told him the day before that I will try this method) and I told him the same I wrote here now.
Man, why did I forget to do a reality check here ? [:(]
was that dream a good sign for me? I mean, if I didnt forget to make a reality check in that dream I would have been able to project, no?
Thanks
I haven't had any more success. I've been toying with the times I go to sleep because I'm not 100% sure when exactly I got to bed the time it worked. One thing I really wish is there was a way I could turn off the alarm without moving! I'm reasonably sure I was paralyzed this morning after the first alarm! But the beeping was right in my ear driving me nuts, and I live with 2 other people one of which is a VERY light sleeper and right outside my door. Any ideas?
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I haven't had any more success. I've been toying with the times I go to sleep because I'm not 100% sure when exactly I got to bed the time it worked. One thing I really wish is there was a way I could turn off the alarm without moving! I'm reasonably sure I was paralyzed this morning after the first alarm! But the beeping was right in my ear driving me nuts, and I live with 2 other people one of which is a VERY light sleeper and right outside my door. Any ideas?
The digital timer I got turns itself off after about a minute. I put it under one of my pillows too, so it's not so loud. Maybe I overdid it, though, since I slept through it this morning. I think this method might work better if you're not
too tired.
Also, I think it's very important to remember the reality checks. There have been too many times I've woken up, thought "I'm obviously not asleep" and then realized later I was.
mactombs:
By waking up to later realize you weren't awake. Was it the timer or some other alarm that woke you? Or did you yourself wake up? What I'm fairly concerned with (for me personally at least due to how I am) that the alarm is waking me up...too much really.
madrox,
If you are having a hard time falling asleep again, you should try doing something especially active the day before so you'll be nice and tired at night. It's also good to spend extra time in the sun because that gives you melatonin.
Another really good thing is to practice relaxing quickly. A good way to do that is to spend a week and wake up a half hour early and just lie in bed relaxing everything. You can search the web for good relaxation routines. Then over the weekend when you're ready for a projection attempt, use the 5 minute interval to relax deeply, then you should probably fall asleep during the 10 or 15 minute interval.
If you don't move between intervals you'll almost certainly at least feel light vibrations and that will let you know you're making progress.
Also, did you use a cooking timer or an alarm clock to wake up? You really should use a timer that takes a few seconds to set. I was never able to get it to work using an alarm clock because you have to wake up too much to set it to the right time.
You don't need or even want to stand up when you wake, in fact sleep paralysis is most likely if you don't move any muscles and then go back to sleep.
mactombs,
The problem is that once you've confused/surprised your body it won't wake you up on its own. It says, "you're in control now dude" so that's why I highly recommend using both the alarm and the timer. The alarm is your safety net in case you get into a runaway sleep situation.
Omnigod0101,
Try arranging things so that you don't move at all when you reset the timer. Make it so you have the timer interface memorized and can just thumb a few buttons and reset it. You'll get vibes that way around the 15 or 20 minute interval probably. If you are very very still the whole time you'll probably get paralysis too.
As far as the other people in the house goes, all I know to suggest is to shut your door and open your window for fresh air? The walmart timer I got isn't really very loud so maybe you could try getting a slightly quieter one?
I think it is too confusing..[:P] earplugs, (IMO, shouldn't use because it programs you to be unable to project with the slightest bit of noise) and waking up every few minutes trying to bring on the paralysis seems futile as well. I would say when a entire episode of waking paralysis is accompanied by vibrations, plus other exit-related sensations attempting to convert waking paralysis into an OBE by relaxing and going with the experience, or by using a projection technique to aid it, will have much more success.
Waking paralysis (also called sleep paralysis) is very common, most people will probably experience it at some time.
Waking paralysis is extremely complex and no single explanation can really explain its causes. The two most popular threories are dissociation and spontaneous projection.
Dissociation: The general scientific explanation is that the brain dissociates itself from its physical body during sleep and the mind accidentally wakes up inside its dissociated sleeping body.
Spontaneous projection: New Age explanation is that waking paralysis is caused solely by spontaneous projection, more specifically by a projection that is about to occur or trying to occur. Waking paralysis is often not accompanied by vibrations or other projection exit sensations.
According to Robert Bruce, most happen AFTER the projection exit has occured. Full waking paralysis cannot occur before the projection exit. So, why are no projections-related exit sensations usually experienced durning waking paralysis? Most logical answer is that spontaneous natural projection has already occurred, and the exit sensations have already passed.
The paralysis victim either sleeps through them and wakes up paralyzed, while an OBE is in progress, or the symptoms are so swift and mild they go unnoticed.
While some waking-paralysis victims claim to succeed at converting it into a projection, the vast majority fails to do so. Most people are too afraid at the time to even contemplate..(been there, done that [:D]) Those who do try for a conversion usually fail, even if they completely give in to it and genuinely go along with the whole experience. They usually lie there paralyzed until it ends on its own accord, or until they manage to move a part of their physical body and thus break out of it. Robert Bruce says that he has experienced waking-paralysis episodes literally hundreds of times, but have never managed to convert one into an OBE.
Though some techniques work for some, it may not work at all for others. Meditation, relaxation, and energy work is what people should work on. It takes time and practice to achieve conscious projections but totally worth it..[:D]
Nay
Here are my notes for this morning:
7-21-04
Did surprised body, didn't fall asleep but did conceptualizations.
The main thing I did differently was to not move when the timer went off.
I had to find a good position to lay in where I could have the timer in my hand and just set it using my thumb without moving.
My first position was too uncomfotartable after the end of the 1st 10 minute interval so I started over at 5, however I did feel light vibes at the end of the ten minutes.
I found the best position was on my side/stomach with one arm under my chest and my other arm under my head going straight away and holding the timer.
During the second 10 minute interval I was in 3d blackness where I could see detailed geometric shapes such as planes spinning and flipping around.
Toward the end of the second 10 minute interval I found I was in heavy vibes and somewhat strong paralysis but not full paralysis, I saw a blue screen forming in front of my eyes, like the psychic screen people sometimes describe. It was exactly the same color of blue as the windows NT blue screen of death, and the blue that TVs use for diagnostics. I wonder if that color of blue is a subconscious reference to the psychic screen?
It felt like I was going to separate but I wasn't able to pull it off. I tried to sink in using the force of gravity like I usually do but it didn't work. Next time I will try upstream's skullpressure trick. I had heavy vibes several more times but didn't separate.
I didn't make it to the end of the 20 minute interval because it felt like I had been laying there for hours. I had been switching into RTZ time and phsyical time and experiencing a lot more time than just 20 minutes
I think this is a much better way to do it than just falling asleep because this way you don't lose conscious control.
The changes were:
1.) Don't move between intervals
2.) Don't completely fall asleep but let yourself hover at the hypangogic state for as long as possible. It's probably not to try this change until after you've had success ddoing it falling asleep as usual. Then when you know what to expect try to hover in between.
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2.) Don't completely fall asleep but let yourself hover at the hypangogic state for as long as possible. It's probably not to try this change until after you've had success ddoing it falling asleep as usual. Then when you know what to expect try to hover in between.
The first sentence, couldn't agree more with ya, and would like to add at this point you should've been doing some kind of relaxing and or energy work, and might start feeling some exit sensations. The second half, I don't understand.. When trying for a conscious projection, you should never go to sleep.[:D]
Nay
Nay:
Those are some good points and well worth taking into consideration. I must say that I have a lot of faith in cube's method 100% where he recommends waking yourself up 2-3 hours earlier than your regular waking time. I feel this is optimal because by now your mind should be rested as well as relaxed enough that with the proper effort it can be kept awake and focused for the final portion of the practice. Hearing people's comments and such however I'm beginning to think the method could use some revisions similar to the following:
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Set your alarm clock to wake you up approximatly 2.5 hours ahead of your regular waking time. (i.e. If you wake up at 7:30 every morning have your alarm clock wake you at 5)
When you wake up set your alarm clock back to it's regular time to ensure if you fall asleep you will wake up on time.
Get up and stretch your legs, go to the bathroom, get a drink or a bite to eat. As cube mentioned don't make it something that will send your body into hyperdrive. You are only trying to get blood flowing to help ensure your brain will stay active. Your body shouldn't have too much problem getting back to sleep, it's your mind that's important here.
Get into whatever position you normally would to practice your conscious exit OBE's and begin breath awareness excersizes or some other way to help relax your body. Your mind shouldn't have too much trouble staying cleared as it should still be pretty relaxed.
Don't use the earplugs! Sorry cube but Nay mentioned something I specifically remembered. In Astral Dynamics R.B. mentioned if there is some noise to simply learn to ignore it. To block the noise out makes you too reliant on having it completely silent to project. You want to be as comfertable and free of needless accessories as possible. I've had moments in a busy room where I've begin to enter a trance state mid-way through conversation. It's simply teaching yourself to phase-out all interruptions.
Basically from here you just continue as you normally would with your projection practice. Whatever technique works best for you, it's basically just a matter of taking advantage of your body's tired state and your mind's rested/relaxed state as an aid. Key part is to just stay awake mentally and relax. Don't concern yourself with time. I've lost hours simply laying flat in a relaxed state, and felt like it was a mere 20 minutes. Even if you don't project, you come out feeling very refreshed! [:D]
EDIT: Cube I hope you don't think I'm trying to steal your glory. I've mentioned many times without your help I would be searching long and hard for any sign of hope. I'm simply trying to help collaborate an effective method. Please give me any suggestions, comments both good and bad as you feel necissary! I know I'm certainly not the almighty wise man when it comes to this stuff. [;)]
The earplugs are training wheels, it's better to use the training wheels to accelerate progress at the start and then phase them out than it is to assume we've got more mastery than we really have and wind up floundering around.
The thing is, you *will* hear noises when you use earplugs, but they won't be physical noises! The best way to learn what those are like in the beginning is to block out the physical noises.
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Originally posted by cube
The earplugs are training wheels, it's better to use the training wheels to accelerate progress at the start and then phase them out than it is to assume we've got more mastery than we really have and wind up floundering around.
The thing is, you *will* hear noises when you use earplugs, but they won't be physical noises! The best way to learn what those are like in the beginning is to block out the physical noises.
There is no accelerated progress if you want to learn how to have OBE's, nor a magic pill. If you start with the earplugs you will have to un-learn it when you try and do it the first time without them.
And just imagine what a shock that will be..lol.. you'll be hearing not only a bunch of new stimuli, but it will be amplified because you have trained your brain not to hear and accept it.. I say, get use to it straight up at the beginning, that way you're only having to learn it the once. [:D]
But of course, all my opinion..
Nay [;)]
Nay,
If someone walked in here and said, "Hey I've got this great technique where you pull on this rope..." you'd probably launch into one of your longwinded diatribes about how there's no way to make projecting any easier.
Yikes..pull in the claws, I said it was MY OPINION..
I don't think Robert Bruce says it in Astral Dynamics that using earplugs was the way to go, but I could be totally wrong, if you've read it, then could you tell me what page.
Thanks,
Nay
See that's the thing with you, unless RB said it you think it can't possibly be true.
This thread is for finding improvements for this method and so far none of your posts have any questions or suggestions about it. Please start a new topic if you want to talk about other things.
Cube you need to take a deep breath, ok? I don't know what your problem is, but I was also speaking from experience and tend to (god forbid according to you) agree with Robert Bruce on alot of things, albeit not all the stuff he says but most.[;)]
I wasn't saying that your technique wouldn't work, I was just saying that most would find it hard to achieve a OBE from sleep paralysis. I was trying to help lighten the load on the mind for newer people, because they would find it frustrating when they got no where...
I thought I was on topic..sorry.
Nay
Wearing earplugs helps me get into a trance state easier. They still don't block out all sound though, especially when my family is blaring stupid music downstairs. They're good in the beginning, but I think it would be a good idea to always set aside some training sessions without them so you don't get too used to the earplugs. Actually, its the vibrations from the loud music that bugs me more so than anything, if I get into a trance state I feel like they're jarring my systems...
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I was just saying that most would find it hard to achieve a OBE from sleep paralysis.
Many of us have found full paralysis to be one of the easiest states from which to project using deep breathing. There's a topic on that here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11209
One of the strengths of this surprised body method is that it's likely to put you in paralysis.
All of the tricks we are using are crutches. ROPE is a crutch, laying down is a crutch, everything is a crutch. There's no good reason to arbitrarily embrace one and not another.
Tonight I had a case where using earplugs helped me gather an exra bit of data that I would have missed otherwise.
I was meditating basically doing nothing but conceptualizing pressure on the top of my skull and that I was walking around a place near where I live.
All at once at once point I heard a very faint click, my conceptualization went from me having to drive it to it animating on its own, and I had very light vibes. So, I knew I had shifted down one gear so to speak.
Without the earplugs it would have been a more subtle shift that I may have missed, I may have instead noticed the other two changes gradually rather than making it stand out so that I recognized that they were linked, which was the main discovery.
LOL..Ok, ok... your way is just fine!
Nay
How do you know? Have you tried it? [:)]
Yes..hehehe, several times. It seemed so plausible after experiencing sleep paralysis a few times. The first few times I was scared to death, then I started trying to relax and work through it.
I figured hey, if I'm seeing and feeling stuff pulling on me while in paralysis, then I should be able to separate. But it never worked. I have found the sleep paralysis has diminished as time goes on, but me getting out, hasn't. [;)]
Grrrrrrrr..having a bit of a time with the little one running amuck..lol. Thought I'd never finish this post..whew..[:D]
Nay
Yes, I have similar issues and I would very much like to hear ideas for resolving them. It seems like if I fall totally asleep during the intervals then I wake up in full paralysis or into a projection.
However if I only trance out then it's less effective because I usually get partial paralysis or heavy vibes. At that point I have about a 50% hit rate, which isn't that great. I usually concentrate on the force of gravity to pull me into the bed and OB.
What I want to do is find a way where I'm fully conscious the whole time, but of course that tends to lead to only partial paralysis.
I've been experimenting with conceptualizing force pressing up against the top of my skull, that seems like it has a lot of potential because it's taken me to vibes in the afternoon which I usually don't get.
Today I spent time walking around conceptualizing pressure up on my skull i nthe hopes of getting my subconscious to switch into it more easily.
Have you found any improvements for it?
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I've been experimenting with conceptualizing force pressing up against the top of my skull, that seems like it has a lot of potential because it's taken me to vibes in the afternoon which I usually don't get.
Today I spent time walking around conceptualizing pressure up on my skull i nthe hopes of getting my subconscious to switch into it more easily.
I have no idea what you are talking about..sorry. Forcing pressure onto the top of your head? For ever why? It seems like you are thinking up ways to bring on OBE's yet doing it by adding more concepts that do not need to be brought into the mix..(my opinion)
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However if I only trance out then it's less effective because I usually get partial paralysis or heavy vibes. At that point I have about a 50% hit rate, which isn't that great. I usually concentrate on the force of gravity to pull me into the bed and OB.
I'll be honest and say again... I have no idea what you just said there but if I am right, it sounds like you're not actually achieving a separation.
I pray, do breathing, and then when I feel totally relaxed I do some energy raising technique. By this time I'm pretty good to go.[:D]
If it works for you, that is great!
Nay
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However if I only trance out then it's less effective because I usually get partial paralysis or heavy vibes. At that point I have about a 50% hit rate, which isn't that great. I usually concentrate on the force of gravity to pull me into the bed and OB.
What I want to do is find a way where I'm fully conscious the whole time, but of course that tends to lead to only partial paralysis.
I've been experimenting with conceptualizing force pressing up against the top of my skull, that seems like it has a lot of potential because it's taken me to vibes in the afternoon which I usually don't get.
50% hit rate is great when compared to my previous .001% ... this new method of yours is a big step forward for me (so long as I am not too exhausted). I applaud your willingness to innovate and explore new options and methods. I also don't believe in crutches to the extent which it seems have been argued here. For instance, I don't care if using a footstool is just a "crutch" to being able to jump higher and reach something on the top shelf. Furthermore, after the first projection, it is said the following times are easier to achieve. So why not make the first time a little easier?
Considering that different things work for different people, it can only help to have more specific methods.
Also, conceptualizing the force rising against the top of the skull is helpful for me, too. Of any place on my body, it seems the easiest for me to leave through.
The gravity method (imagine yourself falling down through your bed) is also quite a bit easier for me to image than floating or rising - or climbing - since it's hugely more familiar a sensation.
Hi All,
I tried this method again this morning. I reached the vibration stage at the very end of the 2nd 25 minute segment. I was actually doing my deep breathe routine to strengthen the vibes (nearly always works) when the alarm sounded[:(]. I had to get up or I may have actually been able to pull off an OBE.
So far with this technique.
5 attempts
1 lucid dream (rare for me)
2 times reached the vibration stage (also rare)
Quite a few cool dreams
I have been using some BWGEN presets at night before going to bed and they are helping me reach a heavier state of relaxation. This has resulted in 1 night time OBE during this time as well.
Cube,
I like this technique. Repeatable results are hard to obtain but this seems to produce them. Thanks so much for sharing this information with us.
Happy Travels,
D.C.
My friend just tried this method, and it worked for him, too. [8D]
Cool! I'm working on testing some refinements to make it more effective. I'll be putting together a new routine and we can see how much it ups the success rate.
I was going to try it this morning, but I just wasnt capable of falling asleep because I was wide awake, and I couldnt get relaxed. Im not using ear plugs, but I think I should because Im using one of those kitchen timers that ticks, that dont bother me much though. Ill try this again tomorrow, Im pretty excited to just think that I could project by just sleeping! I cant wait [:D]! Oh, one thing I wanted to ask Cube, why did you title this thread How to project ALMOST every morning? Actually I could probably see why with my explanation of this morning, lol. Ohwell, Ill try it again tomorrow and let you know how it goes. Take care!
If you have trouble falling asleep:
1.) Spend at least a half hour in the sun the previous day so your body makes enough melatonin. The best time to get sunlight is in the early morning because you're far less likely to get sunburned since the light is filtered through more of the atmosphere when it's low in the sky. The afternoon is the worst time because of sunburn risks.
2.) Exercise the previous day
3.) When you get up, stay awake until you start yawning again, then go back to bed. If you lie there while you're not tired enough it probably won't work.
And one thing that makes this waaay more effective: get nice an comfortable during the first 5 minutes. Then don't move ANYTHING the rest of the time, be as perfectly still as you can. This is not easy at first but it makes the vibes come much much faster.
One way to do that is to watch what sleeping position you're in when you first wake up, then when you go back to sleep assume precisely the same position.
The goal is that when you get up again you are still in the exact position you were when you went to sleep.
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Originally posted by cube
If you have trouble falling asleep:
1.) Spend at least a half hour in the sun the previous day so your body makes enough melatonin. The best time to get sunlight is in the early morning because you're far less likely to get sunburned since the light is filtered through more of the atmosphere when it's low in the sky. The afternoon is the worst time because of sunburn risks.
2.) Exercise the previous day
3.) When you get up, stay awake until you start yawning again, then go back to bed. If you lie there while you're not tired enough it probably won't work.
And one thing that makes this waaay more effective: get nice an comfortable during the first 5 minutes. Then don't move ANYTHING the rest of the time, be as perfectly still as you can. This is not easy at first but it makes the vibes come much much faster.
One way to do that is to watch what sleeping position you're in when you first wake up, then when you go back to sleep assume precisely the same position.
The goal is that when you get up again you are still in the exact position you were when you went to sleep.
Great, thanks for the tips Cube! I really admire your extensive knowledge on AP and things, it has been very helpful for me [:D]. Ill do some yoga or something before/after dinner, thats always tiresome work[:P]. Its very cloudy out right now and I havent been outside all day, so if this doesnt work tomorrow, (which I really doubt [:D]), Ill spend sometime outside meditating or something. Thanks again for your pointers!
I tried this this morning, it was going pretty well but I didnt project. There were some times during the 10 and 15 min. naps where I couldnt hear the ticking of the timer. I was able to fall asleep for the 5 and 10 min naps, but it got progressively harder to stay asleep. At the first 25 min. thing, I gave up. I was just to wide awake. Ill exercise a lot today, doesnt look like I can get out in the sun today though, it very cloudy again. Ill be sure to keep you all updated on the progress with this method! Take care!
Here's a method that may work better for you:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13576
Thanks for the neat timer html, cube!
I'll be trying it out tomorrow morning, so I'll let you know how it goes.
Wit so many nice techniques in no time people in the forum will be asking for autographs to you!
Anyway, i am still being the newbie, searching for my first time (as people say, the first time it is always the most difficult one).
Because in cannot understand everything people says in english (i am portuguese) i will ask you please to clarify this sentence "when the timer goes off".
Is this refering to the time after the timer gets bleeping? I mean,the sentence means: "when the timer finish making the anoying noise".
Sorry for so stupid question, but you said that we need to use the method in the ecat way you describ, so i need to know every point of your method[:)].
About people that suffer of insmonias, like me. I think that, after many years with insomnias, i habe found a way to get sleeping more faster (which can help with obes and withyour method). Basically it´s this:
1- Avoid doing nothing during the day or you wont get sleep at night. Make some exercise during the day.
2- Only sleep if you are tired (mentally and/or physically), even if that means going to the bed at 2 clock of the morning.
3- Avoid naps during the day.
4- When you get to sleep (you are tired i hope) find the best position and avoid changing it.
5- Close you eyes and remember that if you start thinking in the bad things of your day, if you think in yourproblems, etc,etc, you will not get sleep. Avoid too creating nice images to recall sleep. No, instead of that just feel your tiredness of the body and the mind.
Dont be afraid if you dont get into sleep. Now, start to feel that tiredness and feel how relaxing is that it. Start to feel it and go off with it, like if it is a plane.
You know when you are in a car like a passenger, the car it is in the highway and you feel in the same "mood" as the car. You get into that ryhtm and start to sleep? Do you know what i am refering too? So, the technique i speak above it is similar: you just need to go off withyour tiredness and say bye,bye to everything: no problems but no nice things too (i mean, dont think in your girl for instance[:)]). This is a so simple technique that i dont know how to explain it better. Jsut feel tiredness and go off.
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Originally posted by Zonmezz
This method works. I just did it for the second time (first time didn't work) and I experienced multiple wakeups. E.g. I woke up and got out of bed twice before I realized I wasn't actually waking up. On the third try I got up and checked my deck of cards on the dresser(which was what I was supposed to do to verify the RTZ location) and got three out of four (I already knew what the first one was going to be but the other three totally threw me. Got one wrong, I think, but I think I'm getting errors in download. I'm going to work more with this exercise anyways)
The effect was weird in that I could swear I was waking up but I ended up not waking up. There was a dreamlike quality to the situation too. Other than that WOOHOO!!! Thanks for a great method!!!
Jeez I hope I'm awake right now while typing this heh :)
Jason.
So, how manu sucesses and wrongs did you have? Tell me more about that proofs, that something that interestes me a lot. thanks
Well, I tried this just this morning and wasn't able to project, though I did have quite a few unusually vivid dreams. Part of the problem was that after getting up early and eating something, I was then too awake. I didn't actually start to fall asleep until the 20 minute nap, and by then I accidentally pressed a button on the alarm that turned off the timer and screwed up the process. I tried it later, and although my dreams were vivid I was too awake by that point.
I'm wondering, when you get up 2 hours early might it be a good idea to stay in bed and just go ahead and set the alarm for 5 minutes? I know you'd be less alert, but it seems like getting up to eat only made me to awake, even though it was early.
If you are like me, it will work.
I tried this. The html timer works great, but unfortunately I had the same problem I have had with previous times: I was too tired. I stayed up 4 hours longer than I should have before going to bed. I woke 5 minutes before my alarm would have gone off, got up, turned it off, started the html timer. The first 5 minutes I was awake for, the rest I never heard. Well, I probably actually did hear them, but instead I just dreamed one of my coworkers telling me every so often, "Why did you put this on my computer? Turn it off!" I also dreamed that I was trying to get to sleep.
I will post when I properly can do this technique.
BTW, the results my friend had using this technique resulted in powerful vibrations, a feeling of being sucked out above his body, chakra stimulation - overall a very potent concious first-time exit.
I made a mp3 layer im my pc. It´s a sound (5-10 seconds more or less) not very disturbing. After that sound that audio file it is only somposed by silence. I will use that in my mp3 player this night putting that with looping. This will cause to have that sound awaking me every 10 minutes (the duration of the file). Initially i did this to apply to the other technique postedin this same forum by cube. I think i will make a new version similar to this one, but that can be applyed to this specific technique.
I would like to post my file here but i was not able to do it (due to some error and to the time taken to post my file).
Kazbadan,
I see how that wording can be confusing. By "when the timer goes off" I mean when the timer beeps and wakes you up. In English, when a timer "goes off" it actually means when it turns on!! [:)] I'd never noticed that quirk in English before.
LOB,
"I'm wondering, when you get up 2 hours early might it be a good idea to stay in bed and just go ahead and set the alarm for 5 minutes? I know you'd be less alert, but it seems like getting up to eat only made me to awake, even though it was early."
If you are able to go back to sleep immediately when you wake, and you're not so hungry that it keeps you awake, then just go straight into the routine. However if you find that you can't get to sleep, then you should stay up for a bit while until you're tired enough to sleep again.
mactombs,
"The first 5 minutes I was awake for, the rest I never heard."
Make sure the alarm you use is loud enough to wake you up without fail. You want to be totally awake each time so that you're coherent enough to have an OBE.
My first incarnation of the HTML timer had a fatal flaw in that the sound it played was a nice and pleasant fairly low pitched tone. It was loud but it never woke me up. After 4 days of it not waking me up I made the current version which uses an annoying high pitch and does the job for sure.
I tried this and the first time I didn't succeed in getting
sleep at all, was too hot and was too energetic. So I stayed
up a few minutes and se the timer to 10 and tried again,
at the 20 min mark I quickly woke up and fell asleep feeling
the heaviness come, then I felt the vibrations come, and then I
asked myself when I should split.
After that there started coming different initials like WZ: OK
TZ: OK, after sinking deep enough there came something like
Separation phase: OK. After this I separated and I only had
1 eye open and the moving was like playing with inverted mouse [:D]
Guess I've played too many computer games with all that OK stuff [:o)]
Anyway thanks cube for this great thing [:)]
Yeah it seems like the biggest problem with this method is actually getting back to sleep once you wake up, but it also seems like once people go to sleep they do have some kind of experience.
I've been looking for ways to ensure that you can fall asleep again, if anyone has ideas please post them.
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Yeah it seems like the biggest problem with this method is actually getting back to sleep once you wake up, but it also seems like once people go to sleep they do have some kind of experience.
My friend and I have the opposite problem. Once we wake up, we fall too deeply back to sleep to continue the experiment. This morning I woke up early after my regular alarm had been going off for 45 minutes, so I turned it off, decided if it took me 45 minutes to wake from my normal alarm, there was no way I could do the experiment, and went back to bed.
It amazes me that people could possibly wake up early and
not go immediately back to sleep.
Since the first experiment, I have not been able to go through with this again due to falling back to sleep and not waking up until work time.
Maybe you could try drinking something sugary or cafinated like a coke?
or try to look into a very bright light for 1-2 mins
Well, I tried this again today, and just as before had problems with falling asleep. It's sort of weird, usually whenever I wake up for work I push the snooze button on my alarm, then immediately fall back asleep. I'm beginning to think that part of the problem is me being to eager and alert when I wake up, in expectation of projecting. Setting timer might be making me more alert as well since it requires more movement. Also, last night I didn't get very much sleep, and had done some energy raising, which tends to make me much less sleepy.
It seems that many of the conditions have to be just right, a decent amount of sleep the night before, not to drowsy or alert, not to energized.
Yea thats the odd thing about psionic phenonomen. It only seems to works when you *arent* expecting / depending on it. Funny how karma keeps us in check[B)]
Hi all.
I just want to tell you that this method worked very well for me either. I tried it 3 days now. The first day i hit the stage of paralyzation and vibration feeling 2 times. I felt like i was free from my body, but really didn't manage to escape it. Its always like that ! (I have never manage to go further the paralyzation and vibration stage)
The other days gave me the stage of lucid dream which evolved to paralyzation and vibration. And neither there was i able to escape.
Cube your method is really good one, I noticed its easier for me to enter the hypnagogic if you wake up 5 sec after the alarm and confirm the OBE for your self and lie down to sleep. YES TO SLEEP. Couse actually you will sleep, but with awarness wich evolve to lucid dream or hypnagogic stage which in turn it will lead you to paralyzation and vibration.
I'am now doing some experiment with this method and i will keep in touch.
And thanks Cube for sharing your experiment with us which gave us a great method!
You have to excuse my poor english couse iam not an english spoken guy.
LOB,
Here's something I'm working on tuning up in order to practice falling asleep more consistently before actually trying the BFO method:
morning 1
wake up half hour early
observe your body position
observe body relaxation level
stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself
morning 2
wake up 45 minutes early
observe your body position
observe body relaxation level
stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself
morning 3
wake up 60 minutes early
observe your body position
observe body relaxation level
set timer to wake up after 30 minutes
stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself
morning 4
wake up 90 minutes early
observe your body position
observe body relaxation level
set timer to wake up after 30 minutes
set timer to wake up after 30 minutes
stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself
I haven't started practicing this yet because I'm gradually working my sleep schedule back to wake up at 6:00 because I think it may also be easier to fall asleep again when the sun isn't up. It might actually be somewhat unhealthy to fall asleep again a lot during daylight.
What do you think about that? If you try this sleep training thing please let me know how it goes.
Sentential,
I agree to an extent but I also think that we will eventually get past having to beg karma to project with consistency.
Orcher,
Yes, you're correct about sleeping. In this method the OBEs happen when you actually are asleep in the middle of the intervals. This is different from Rapid Fire Phasing where you phase into an OBE within 30 seconds of the timer going off. Please keep us posted on your progress!
Hey Cube,
I tried this method again this morning, I had some really cool dreams, 1 lucid but no OBE. I tried your HTML timer but I don't get any sound.
Any suggestions?
Happy Travels,
D.C.
Cube I wanted to mention this, in case you forgot. Did you add my suggestion about running modified aura types? I know it helped a great deal for you. Eventhough its an advanced method, and possibly dangerous. It would help those looking for more consistency.
Speaking of which, has this helped with you at all? LOB might be interested, however have someone like myself or SD help guide the process, you know what Im talking bout[;)]
Cube, if you or LOB are on tonight, give me a buzz. Its been awhile[8D]
I hadn't been trying for OBEs lately because I was getting my sleep schedule so I would wake up at 6. I woke up pretty early today so I decided to try again. I intended to do body fake out but wound up doing rapid fire phasing. It seems once you know how to phase it's a lot easier than BFO even though BFO is initially easier. I had about 6-8 short OBEs in about 2 hours.
8/8/04
up 5:35
decided that I would add a 20 minute interval to the start in order to relax first
set timer for 20, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 doing BFO
got up after about 5 mins and had a protein shake
couldn't sleep when first beep went off
was too hungry to sleep, not very tired, got up at 5:55 to wait to get tired
ate 3 bananas, corn
yawned at 6:50 so I went back to bed
set again for 20, 5, 10...
got comfortable, alarm too loud on 20, turned down a bit, again too loud on 5, turned down a bit
didn't get to sleep until I think the 15 min interval
when it went off for the start of the 20 min interval woke me up, I didn't move and relaxed to go back to sleep
I got pretty strong vibes almost immediately
I didn't have paralysis so I didn't try deep breaths.
The vibes weren't strong enough to convince me I had separated so instead of focusing on the force of gravity to press me out of my body I began trying a new self-awareness preservation trick, I repeatedly asked myself "Who am I?" and then replied "I am cube" over and over the whole OBE. (I used my real name, not cube)
Surprisingly when I first asked it I had a strong urge to say I was something else, but I overcame it and said my name.
I relaxed with the vibes saying who I was over and over in order to maintain focus and also not lose my awareness to a dream personality until I felt the vibe go away and when I tried to open my eyes a little I found I had OBE blindness to a degree, so I knew I had separated.
My sight quickly improved and my first OBE was the most vivid, I got up and flew out through the window hoping to have an RTZ exploration where I got more than 20 feet from my apartment. Flying through the window seemed to result in a reality shift because I wound up flying around in basically an enormous building that was at least the size of my town. There were beautifully constructed rooms with very unusual architecture and people going about their business, there seemed to be lots of sunlight coming in everywhere making it all very bright and colorful. The rooms were enormous, each one the size of city block. I kept trying to find the way to the outside, there were gigantic windows in each of the room that would go into yet another room.
I found I was back in bed with vibes, so I did the same relax+"I am cube" exit method. I got up with slightly less clarity of sight. I found that I couldn't fly through the window because it was solid this time, for whatever reason. Instead I walked over to go out my front door, I found that the layout of my apartment was a little different and sort of in the style of the buildings I mentioned. I tried upstreams "lay down in the position (but not necessarily the location) of your body" trick in order to try to make the OBE last longer. I lay there for maybe 15 seconds and I don't know if that was long enough. I walked around for a short time and then found I was back in my body.
I had a series of about 4 or 5 more OBEs like this, each one a little less clear than the last I think, until I eventually lost my self-identity and therefore went into a vivid dream.
I remember in a few of the OBEs I was unsure if it was really an OBE because it felt so real, it was easy to imagine that I was walking around like I was awake.
In one of the OBESs I did find a trick for gaining sight. All I did was use my hands to pry my eyes open and suddenly I could see perfectly! I think this works well because you're being very clear about what you want to have happen. It's like using a pair of scissors to open a dream paper package rather than trying to imagine it opening by itself. Just imagining it opening on its own is not very effective because you don't have much real-life experience with packages opening by themselves and so it's hard to be clear about what you're intending to happen. However if you imagine an invisible pair of scissors cutting the paper, then you're using well-defined life experience to be very clear about the result you desire.
So, if you use your hands to open your eyes up it should work pretty well to gain sight. To be clear about it, you might want to practice, while awake, reaching up and opening your closed eyes with your hands so you are sure to be clear about what you're doing when in the dream/OBE.
Got up at about 8:55. All of those OBEs/dreams actually took place in about 20 physical minutes I think, and felt like they lasted 2-3 hours in dream time, with the final vivid dream taking up most of that, about an hour of time.
Interesting update:
I mentioned that in the second OBE the layout of my apartment was different. One if the things I remember was odd was that in my living room, one of the corners was not just a normal 90 angle of two walls. Instead the two walls were joined by a short diagonal wall with a door in the middle.
I found that strange because usually the changes in an OBE are mostly cosmetic such as things being bigger or lit in a different way. Major functional changes like that are rare.
However I just noticed that I have a half-length mirror propped up in that corner in a diagonal across the two walls. So it looks like the mirror has made a door in the RTZ! Next time I'll see what's behind that door...
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Hey Cube,
I tried this method again this morning, I had some really cool dreams, 1 lucid but no OBE. I tried your HTML timer but I don't get any sound.
Any suggestions?
Happy Travels,
D.C.
Please tell me what web browser and operating system you're using so I can figure out why the timer doesn't work for you.
Without knowing exactly what you're doing I don't know what to suggest but I can mention again some of the things that work well for me. First of all don't move at all while you're trying to project, not even your eyes. Secondly conceptualize yourself walking around your house as you fall asleep, that will make you phase into an OBE rather than project.
That's easier to do because there are more things you can watch for such as extra hypnagogic imagery and so forth. Trying to project out of body has is more subtle so it's possible that you could project and not know it, so it's a little bit trickier.
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Cube I wanted to mention this, in case you forgot. Did you add my suggestion about running modified aura types? I know it helped a great deal for you. Eventhough its an advanced method, and possibly dangerous. It would help those looking for more consistency.
Speaking of which, has this helped with you at all? LOB might be interested, however have someone like myself or SD help guide the process, you know what Im talking bout
I haven't added your method about aura manipulation because I haven't tested it well enough to explain it to people. I have been practicing with it a lot, I usually gather my aura into a thick disk on my back and then bring it up through my chest and let it well over like a fountain. It's quite an odd sensation.
I find it's really easy to separate my feet and legs, it's harder to separate by hands and arms. However I've never been able to separate my aura from my head. I suspect if I can separate my head I'll project, so I think it's just a matter of practice.
Cube,
Thanks for the suggestions. I have yet to perform either of your methods exactly. I have tried to use substitute alarms and such but something always misfires or interrupts me. I take responsibility for that. I tend to be more succesful the closer to your methods I get. Once I do them correctly several times, I'll know where I need the work.
I believe you are so succesful because of your meticulous attention to detail. I believe people sometimes underestimate the importance of the attention to detail. One small change can mean the difference between OBE and no OBE.
I have one more question for you. In the morning when I am practicing your methods, I go from hypnagogic imagery to a dream sequence. It is of a computer screen in which words are being written. I start trying to read the words. They keep changing. After a few seconds, I lose the dream. I realize early on that I have passed into a dream but I can't cultivate it into anything. If I try to change anything, I change focus and exit the sequence.
Do you have any suggestions for being able to turn this into a full blown LD or OBE?
Once again, thanks for all of the time and effort that you have put into documenting your methods so that others may benefit.
D.C.
Very nice experience, Cube. For getting success with CC's "twin method" you have to reattach your dream body to your etheric double. You can do it from anywhere in a given dream provided that you are successfull in matching the position of your dream body with your physical. However, the most important thing is to regard your attempt as you would trying to project from the waking state. Due to the fact that you are dreaming you don't need more than a couple of seconds to get the state you feel before separation. This trick is not for RTZ-OBEs, it would wake you up from them. It is for lucid dreaming and intermediate experiences between OBEs & LDs (F21, F22 I think).
I've found that heavier subtle bodies are separated from below and I could fully detach myself in them by levitating my legs then doing a somersault.
I'm very interested in your aura manipulations - this is something that totally new for me. Please don't hold it back.
What the hell is BFO?
Dream Cadet,
Being meticulous is very important, it's also true that it gets easier as you go. At first it's like there's a tiny crack that you have to carefully insert your crowbar into, but once you have a big enough hole you can break out the sledgehammer and knock out bigger and bigger parts.
I've found that the vibes have started to come when I'm laying there but not intending to have them. Monroe and Robert Bruce write about OBEs they've had at night that they couldn't avoid. Once you've tuned yourself to stay conscious while going to sleep, the vibes come much easier and you can start dropping the use to crutches.
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In the morning when I am practicing your methods, I go from hypnagogic imagery to a dream sequence. It is of a computer screen in which words are being written. I start trying to read the words. They keep changing. After a few seconds, I lose the dream. I realize early on that I have passed into a dream but I can't cultivate it into anything. If I try to change anything, I change focus and exit the sequence.
Do you have any suggestions for being able to turn this into a full blown LD or OBE?
It sounds like you're on the verge of phasing. What you should be trying to do is go to sleep, wait for the alarm to wake you up, and do not move. At that point the feeling in your body will be a lot like when you watch your body fall asleep as in this:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13608
The goal is to have the alarm to send you straight into mind awake body asleep. The alarm will feel like it shocks you a little bit but as long as you don't let it force your to react by moving in any way you'll be in focus 10 automatically.
If you have that feeling, then you will be phased into an OBE within 30 seconds. Start into your visualization and intend to phase into your visualization. If you are visualizing the computer screen you talked about then that's what you'll phase into.
The imagery will become more and more vivid, and eventually it will become all that you perceive and you'll have phased.
If on the other hand you don't do a visualization when the alarm goes off but instead you place keep your awareness on your body and relax then you'll be able to get up out of your body when you separate.
Either way, you should try the "Who am I?/I am Dream Cadet." statement over and over that I mentioned in my earlier post. That will help you to keep your self-identity so that you get an OBE and not a dream.
upstream,
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For getting success with CC's "twin method" you have to reattach your dream body to your etheric double.
What's the difference between a dream body and an etheric double, I thought they're the same thing?
Also, can you give a link to the twin method?
BFO=body fake out
The etheric double is dreaming the dream body. The dream body become the etheric double when you match its position with your physical body, because the etheric double mimic the position of the physical body.
I've copied and pasted the excerpts below from CC's book the 'Art Of Dreaming':
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She said that the gifts she had given to the naguals of my line had to do with what the old sorcerers used to call the twin positions. That is to say, the initial position in which a dreamer holds his physical body to begin dreaming is mirrored by the position in which he holds his energy body, in dreams, to fixate his assemblage point on any spot of his choosing. The two positions make a unit, she said, and it took the old sorcerers thousands of years to find out the perfect relationship between any two positions.
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"Explain to me what you mean by the twin positions, or the initial position in which a dreamer holds his body to start dreaming." I said.
"How do you lie down to start your dreaming?" she asked.
"Any which way. I don't have a pattern. Don Juan never stressed this point."
"Well, I do stress it," she said and stood up.
She changed positions. She sat down to my right and whispered in my other ear that, in accordance with what she knew, the position in which one places the body is of utmost importance. She proposed a way of testing this by performing an extremely delicate but simple exercise.
"Start your dreaming by lying on your right side, with your knees a bit bent," she said. "The discipline is to maintain that position and fall asleep in it. In dreaming, then, the exercise is to dream that you lie down in exactly the same position and fall asleep again."
"What does that do?" I asked.
"It makes the assemblage point stay put, and I mean really stay put, in whatever position it is at the instant of that second falling asleep."
"What are the results of this exercise?"
"Total perception. I am sure your teachers have already told you that my gifts are gifts of total perception."
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This is a dream. You are at the fourth gate of dreaming, dreaming my dream."
She told me that her art was to be capable of projecting her intent, and that everything I saw around me was her intent. She said in a whisper that the church and the town were the results of her intent; they did not exist, yet they did. She added, looking into my eyes, that this is one of the mysteries of intending in the second attention the twin positions of dreaming. It can be done, but it cannot be explained or comprehended.
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The essence of her explanation was that if I were, for instance, dreaming of my hometown and my dream had started when I lay down on my right side, I could very easily stay in the town of my dream if I would lie on my right side, in the dream, and dream that I had fallen asleep. The second dream not only would necessarily be a dream of my hometown, but would be the most concrete dream one can imagine.
She was confident that in my dreaming training I had gotten countless dreams of great concreteness, but she assured me that every one of them had to be a fluke. For the only way to have absolute control of dreams was to use the technique of the twin positions.
"And don't ask me why," she added. "It just happens. Like everything else."
I dont believe him, but the method works.
hi...i tried this last night...i had an insomnia untill 4-5 am, then i decided to go in bed, set the timer (cell phone) to bip after 30-40 minutes, after in 5...10...15...i wasn't sleeping, i wasn't awake, the timer goes on, i stop it, after 5 minutes goes on, after 2-3 minutes the vibes start, not strong vibes, i sit there hopeing i'll get some sleep, and then i feel like my body was absorb(???)(going up, ripped like), i tried to sink, nothing....
i'm getting bored so i decide that i shoud try to raise in my feets so...im out, i'm trying to rip off my eyes cause the image was kind of blury...the eyes where glued...
ok...i'm going in to the kitchen and something hits me...I WANNA SEE MY BODY" so i turn around and try to watch at it...can't see...then i start to move up fast everyting is black and the only feeling is that i'm going really fast...then i'm starting to go down...i don't like the ideea so i wake up...
no this was not a OBE...this was a lucid dream...my 3rd lucid dream like this...i never had an obe...well i'll try this for a while now, but i'm kind of stuck because of the insomnia...
I'M VERY SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH...I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND...
Glad my method works[8D]. I realize its a little difficult to understand at times, but it is the most advanced method. This is what I and SD and sevral other people do. Being able to do this however, is vitally important, since it is the basis for psionic defence. If you are gonna protect yourself on the astral, you gotta be a shifty little bugger, othewise you make yourself a big target.
You can only do so much in your native form. After awhile the uniformity begins to hurt your progress.
It can feel strange even painful, but changing your aura to suit your needs is highly effective. Just be careful. Dont wanna make a mistake [;)]
0.0 !!! This method works great!!! thank you so much Cube!! Ive tried every methid i could find and with no results, with this i got a load of strong vibs and stuff!! THANKS!!
Note: I have an updated version of this method at http://saltcube.com/?t=rhythm-napping
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This is a very easy and effective technique that doesn't involve any mental skills or discipline. It's been 80% effective to send me into a projection over the last two weeks.
I call this the Rhythm Method method, it's basically the 'wake-back-to-bed' or 'interrupted sleep' methods on steroids.
All you have to do is confuse your body into the "mind awake/body asleep" state by alternating falling asleep and waking up in the morning. The morning is the best time to do this because your melatonin/DHEA ratio is optimal.
It is important to follow this technique to the letter! The times when I didn't project were when I was trying to tweak something. The 5/10/15 minute, etc intervals below are crucial.
The technique
Get a digital cooking timer, some silicone earplugs and an alarm clock. Make sure the timer is loud enough to wake you up through the earplugs. If you're using a custom timer make sure you use a high-pitched sound that will definitely wake you up each time. Low-pitched sounds probably won't wake you up even if they're loud.
Go to sleep at your normal bed time.
Use the alarm clock to get up two hours early.
If you are able to go back to sleep immediately when you wake, and you're not so hungry that it keeps you awake, then just go straight into the routine. However if you find that you can't get to sleep, then you should stay up for an hour or so while until you begin yawning and are tired enough to sleep again.
If you are hungry, eat something very light, not sugary and which won't give you cramps or make your stomach digest too exuberantly. A banana is good, a low sugar protein drink is ideal because it's easy to digest and takes a while to get through your system.
Set the alarm clock for your normal waking time. This is important because there's a good chance you'll oversleep using this technique without the alarm clock.
Put in the earplugs.
Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically
Set the timer for 5 minutes.
Try to fall asleep, it's OK if you don't actually make it in 5 minutes but at least relax as much as possible. When the timer beeps do a reality check because you may have projected without knowing it. My favorite reality check is to see if I can will my finger to stretch out and touch the wall.
The less you move your body the more effective this technique is, when you reset the timer practive so you can do it using only your thumb and without looking at it if possible.
When the timer wakes you up, do a reality check and set it for 10 minutes and fall asleep again.
When the timer wakes you up, do a reality check and set it for 15 minutes and fall asleep again.
When the timer wakes you up, do a reality check and set it for 20 minutes and fall asleep again.
When the timer wakes you up, do a reality check and set it for 25 minutes and fall asleep again.
Continue doing 25 minute naps until you project. Usually I will project inside the first 10 minutes of the first or second 25 minute nap. Every time the timer goes off do a reality check.
You will probably project doing this. After your projection, get up and write down what happened, then start over doing 5 minute naps, etc if you wish to project again. You must start over at the beginning, going back into 25 minute naps won't work.
What to expect
Whenever you go to sleep then wake up and don't move, and then fall asleep again, sleep paralysis is likely. Paralysis is the ideal condition from which to project because there's no mistaking the fact that you're in paralysis and if you know what to do you can't possibly screw it up. Simply begin breathing deeply until you project, you'll pop out every time.
Lucid dreams are also very likely, you can ask for a dream trainer (like an astral guide) to help you out of your body if you have the awareness to do so in the dream. Alternately you can enjoy the dream as is, or you can teleport back to your body and get up out of it to make it into an official OBE.
If you wake up and find you have the heavy feeling and vibrations, the safest ways to project are those which do not involve you moving your body. If you try rope or rolling out, there's a good chance you'll move your physical body and botch it. A better solution is to concentrate on the force of gravity to push you out of body.
If you are in a projection state, then you'll sink into your bed. Because astral sight allows you to see through things by controlling the depth at which you are focusing, focus on the ceiling or the wall as you sink into the bed. As long as you focus on the depth of the ceiling, your sight won't be blocked by your matress and you won't lose your sight to blackness.
Just sink about three feet into your bed so you know for sure that you've projected, at that point it's safe to actually move.
Your equipment
You want a digital timer that's easy to set and doesn't tick. Wal-Mart has one made by West Bend that I like for about $8.
This is kind of like the Wal-Mart one but you don't need to spend $25 on a timer:
http://www.comforthouse.com/comfort/kittimtripti.html
You don't absolutely have to have earplugs but if you use them then you might as well get the good ones. The best earplugs are silicone putty like these:
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp75090_333181_sespider/macks/pillow_soft_silicone_earplugs_value_pack.htm
Of all the earplugs I've tried those are really the only ones worth buying in my opinion. My ear canals don't seem to be the right shape for the others and I can always hear things through them. You can get them at Target.
When you put them in your ears don't roll them into a ball, just press them over your ears like the instructions say. If they go into your ear, your ear will get irritated and make slime to push them out and they won't stay in. You can put a little square of tissue paper over them so they don't stick to your pillow.
Gotchas
I found that if I'm a little bit cold I can't phase at all. In Journeys Out Of The Body, Monroe writes that 96.2% of his OBEs were while he was warm and only 3.8% when cold. So, before you start make sure you've got maybe an extra blanket or something.
Why I think this works
I've tried combining this with specific visualizations during each nap, and also staying up for various periods before starting the nap sequence. I've also tried getting up to sleep in a different spot than usual.
However, I've had my best success by just simply falling asleep in my bed as usual, thereby tricking my body into thinking everything is going as usual even though it isn't, I think by using the short 5 and 10 minute naps you program your body to expect them.
Your body does not like to be shocked into a waking state, so it gets you ready ahead of time. A lot of times if I set my alarm clock for 6:30 I will wake up at 6:25 because my body hates to be jolted like that.
So then when you go to sleep for the 25 minute naps, your body is thinking about those 5 and 10 minute naps you just had so it gets ready to wake you up. The fake out is that instead you stay asleep!
So there's your ideal condition to project, it's in the morning so you've got not much melatonin to make you sleepy but lots of DHEA to make you alert. Your body thinks it's time to wake you up so it readies your mind to awake, but when your body stays asleep it sends you into a projection!
The flip side to this is while your body is confused it will give up and not wake you up at your usual waking time, so if you don't use an alarm clock there's a good chance you'll sleep in an extra six hours.
As long as you get up and start moving around at your usual waking time, your body will not be confused the next day unless you want it to be and fake it out again.
I don't try to do this laying on my back because I can't sleep that way, so far it seems that keeping things simple and just falling asleep normally works the best.
Update:
Something I discovered this morning is that it's easy to confuse your mind with this one. It's possible that you will project but think you're in the physical, the timer goes off and you sit there fooling with the timer and the display doesn't make any sense and it's because you're in the astral!
Timer:
You can use this HTML web page I made that lets you program in an arbitrary timer sequence:
http://saltcube.com/timer.html