I believe Im on the verge of a discovery

[T.L.]

I think I may have found a way to use physical tools to induce an obe. Right now Im going to be vague because I do not know if it is safe to do so. I have just only tried it once at 3:00 am today (30 minutes ago as of this posting). Having obe's unaided for some time now, without any fear is one thing. But using physical tools to attain the state, could there be physical consequences? This is the question I am now asking myself after what I just experienced. Within 5 minutes my face grew increasingly numb.


   I thought hey this is different so I relaxed a little more to see how far this technique would take me. All of a sudden once my face grew increasingly numb I could see through my closed eyelids. Feeling very odd I started to let fear creep in because of the aforementioned question, all of a sudden I couldn't see through my closed eyelids anymore. I reassured myself okay this is just like any other time without using a physical tool just relax into it, "just relax into it".... then BAM I'm seeing through my closed eyelids again. My heart beat grew rapid (which is never the case for me when doing obe's naturally). Now my chest was growing numb increasingly, and my irregular heart beats start rearing it's ugly head I turned everything off and sat up.

   The shear intensity of the experience, the very very quick onset of effects and results is stunning. Now I wonder if I can take this idea, really relax into it and force a seperation. First things first though, I'm going to march up to the room with my courage I seem to be having and see if I can replicate the results. I will post back here in about 30 minutes. Since falling asleep doing the technique Im doing is not a problem, fear for the worst if I don't post a follow up =-) I'm just wondering if the drowsiness I have is making the technique work so well? Perhaps once I try this again here in a minute, if it works again Ill have to try fully awake tomorrow and see if the same thing happens. Will be back!

[T.L.]

I tried the same method again. I did have some effects but not to the same degree as the first time. Perhaps the first time works the best? Perhaps it was the anxiety stopping me from fully relaxing as I was the first time around. This time around I was not relaxed and my mind was 3 times as active as the first time around. To be safe I'm just going to keep trying and experimenting. Perhaps it was the certain way I was focused the first time.

Once I figure out for sure if the first attempt was just a fluke, or if it will work reliably when relaxed (which Im not) I'll post more. All I know is the first attempt/success was so intense that my face is still partially numb. I'm excited at the prospect of perhaps devising a pure physical way to experience the non-physical places I have experienced before unaided. Just think having obes reliably without the hits and misses of the mental processes one must use to make such attempts.

[Panthau]

Sounds interesting... keep us posted!

[T.L.]

I tried a third time with a little more success than the second time. I can't tell if this is because of my anxiety arising from the first time. Perhaps it caused me to go into a trance because my brain was sensitive to the things I used, but after the first time I became desensitized. Or it could be how tired I was made it work so easily, but I became way more alert after what happened the first time. It could be a number of things... I'll just have to keep messing around and see what happens.

[Aquarious]

Are you going to attempt to sell something here?

Because I see no point in posting like this.

Either
1. explain your method e.g. what physical tools you used/are using, in clear English
2. Set up a seperate website and sell whatever you want through that
or
3. Stop posting on something you 'cant' talk about

Sorry to be blunt but I find this type of thread annoying and attention seeking.

[T.L.]

Sell something? No I just didn't want to prematurely say hey go do this and someone get hurt. Which was and is a genuine concern because of the unpleasantness it made me feel physically. I was going to explain it later after I tried it over a period of days but to those who have what I used then by all means. What I did was take the first hemi-sync recording from Monroe (wave I discovery) (mp3) and listen to it in conjunction with an audio strobe with the frequency of the lights set to 6.9 (simultaneous). These things I had laying around from my earlier days when I first got into meditation, long before practicing projection. I thought perhaps I could just use these things once again to practice keeping my mind focused and clear. It seemed so innocuous that once my body began to be gripped in a very strong numbness, high heart rate, and started to see through my eyelids it kind of bewildered me.

I only have tried it a few number of times since last night. What I can't figure out is if it perhaps had to do with the way I was focused, perhaps a sensitivity to lights (since I havent used this thing in years) or to the hemi-sync sounds, perhaps just the combination? I was just cautious because of the intensity of the physical sensation, surely something was going wrong... physically speaking. I don't know but if you happen to have an audio strobe laying around (if not don't spend the money) already, find the Monroe hemi-sync wave I online and download it. Combine it with the settings I mentioned above and see if anything happens halfway through the recording. My wife is weary of using anything like this so I can't convince her to try and see. On wednesday Im going to visit a friend, and have him try to see if he has the same kind of thing happen to him that I have.

I also want to mention the time I have spent in trying to help people here succeed, the amount of time and articles I have written here to help people. In no way have I tried to sell anyone anything, nor will I ever. It actually annoys me that you would assume I would.... however it seems you don't know me at all. For anyone who has this thing laying around as I had, try and post what, if anything happens.

[CFTraveler]

Hi TL.  I know you're not a spammer and all that- I just wonder why you called it a discovery- most of the binaural beats products I've tried talk about using the strobe freqs to be used in conjunction with the audio signals- unless you mean you found a combo of frequencies?
ps.  Most people should be warned that light strobes can cause an epilectic seizure.  It would be a heckuva way to find out you're epileptic, if you ask me.

[T.L.]

which was part of the reason I didn't just say go ahead and try this, I agree it would be a hell of a way to find out you epileptic... could you imagine. The person would be stuck like that until someone came along or the seizures ripped the headset off. Yes I meant the combo of the light (plus the frequency of flashes) in combination with that exact mp3. I still cant get over the first experience and the rapid onset of pre projection symptons. It was pretty powerful the first time around. I think it had a lot to do with the degree of focus as well, and the fact I was very physically tired (as I did this after work very late). Ill have to try it again around the same time.

[T.L.]

Alright tried it a few more times since earlier today. The first time not much in the way of going numb, instead I lost awareness of the body entirely did not feel it at all. Gave it about some time and tried it again. I lost awareness of the body then felt the usual vibrations was able to sit up and look about the room. I heard my daughter and my wife in the next room over. My daughter dropped something and made a loud thud it snapped me out of it. I would say that it is my normal ability to focus that did it, perhaps the only thing it help along was pretty much forcing me to lose awareness of the physical body.

One thing that makes this idea/method impractical is that it always forces dual consciousness I was aware of sitting up and also aware of laying down with the flashes and the noises going on from the recording. So normally when Im out all I have to do is just focus and I can solidify my experience out, and lose the awareness of laying down quite quickly. Doing it this way was not so because of the audio strobe flashes.  However it was interesting to be able to lose awareness of the physical so fast, but the same thing that helps you lose awareness forces you to be aware of the physical after you are able to seperate (double edged sword). Quite impractical but a must try if you have these things laying about. It will be interesting to see what a person (such as my friend) who is not initiated in the out of body state experiences.

[Lighten]

Would you mind explaining the set up again? Monroe Hemi sync plus a strobe light? Whats an audio strobe?

Let us know what your friend experiences.

[CFTraveler]

There are special 'glasses' that connect with a headset and you can listen to any binaural beat system adding strobe lights to the arrangement.  I used to know the brand name when I was considering doing this years ago but have forgotten.  I'm sure there's an old thread around here that can be resurrected, if it didn't dissapear with the reformatting.

[Lighten]

When you saw through your eyelids did you see the flashing lights?

[T.L.]

Yeah I saw the strobe lights unobstructed. To test (like I usually do) I clamp my eyes shut tightly to be sure, and sure enough I could see through them. The last experience when I used this I seen through my eyelids let go even deeper and was able to sit up and seperate. I looked about the room but the dual consciousness that results is  pretty intrusive because of the flashing from the audiostrobe. Normally this bi-location/dual consciousness is easily overcame just be solidifying your focus out of the body (some people just get as far away from the physical body and that is good enough).

"Would you mind explaining the set up again? Monroe Hemi sync plus a strobe light? Whats an audio strobe?"

Well CFTraveler explained what it is well enough. The set up was that I had the .mp3 player play wave I discovery (from the monroe institute) (Note: I did not have the audio strobe connected directly to the mp3 player with the patch cable, no need as I was not syncing the lights to the mp3). I used my audiostrobe and had it set the light flash frequency to 6.9 (and set each side to blink at the same time, rather than offsetting them) The type of audiostrobe I had was from a while back, called the "Sirius light and sound machine". Like I said it can work quite well in combination if the circumstances are right, but the dual consciousness that results makes it hard and a distraction to get anything done while out. However it can help one lose all bodily (physical) awareness pretty quickly, at least until one gets out then it forces you to be aware of the physical body the entire time.

  The original reason i picked this thing (audiostrobe) up years back is because I noticed when I was a kid riding in a car on a stretch of a wooded road that when I closed my eyes and the sun light hit the eyelids off and on at a certain rate it would cause me to relax, then start to see kaleidoscope patterns behind my eyelids. The more relax I became the more intricate and large the pattern would get. So when I found out that they created something to reproduce this phenomenon I bought it as I already knew what it did and how relaxing it was. So I just used this to focus, never really occurred to me to try this to project. However it is helpful but is also impracticle for someone who can already project unaided.

[Lighten]

Any updates? did your friend try it out?

[T.L.]

Yeah he tried it sitting up, while moving. However he did say that he felt "weird" which is why he took them off. He's never experienced an OBE before, and isn't all that interested in it. He just tried it because I asked him to. It seems when the subject of death comes up he gets freaked out, which is why Im surprised he even tried it. He didn't go into details about what he felt, all he would say is that "I just didn't feel right".