My new goal--Enduced Paralysis

[Dream Cadet]

Hi Zarklon,

I am particularly interested in the paralysis question as well.  If I ever reach the paralysis stage, I usually exit.  A lot of people here say that they get vibrations and paralysis and then the exit fails.  That is not the case for me.  If I make it that far, it usually happens.

I love the imagery.  I am amazed sometimes at the clarity and detail of the images that I see.  I do see the blobs of color but it is at the very beginning.  The longer I watch, the more clear it gets. I remember before I even had any interest in OBEs that I would watch the imagery and didn't even know what it was.  I could not believe that my mind was just making up such detail. Especially in faces.  I also see random things that I would have never imagined in a waking state.

I'll be watching this thread with interest.

Good luck with your "summer project" and keep us posted.

D.C.

[cube]

About the imagery, Mustardseed has a really good trick for hanging on to them without waking up. When I get images, if I look at them with my physical eyes I wake up. Mustardseed's trick is to put a mental frame around the images so that you acknowledge them and don't lose them.


Basically the only way I cen get paralysis so far is by interrupted sleep. If I wake up when I'm in deep REM sleep then go back to sleep I almost always get paralysys and then can project by deep breathing. I usually experience vibrations when that happens but not always.

My current goal is to try to get a very stable sleep schedule and go to bed exactly at 10. I am the type that has a hard time falling alseep so this is difficult. However I think once I have a stable schedule then I can experiment and find when I am in REM sleep, set my alarm clock for then, then try to have an OBE every night.

I think that's pretty much the way Monroe did it except he didn't have to go through paralysis. He has something called a 'quick-switch' which I don't quite understand.

One other thing about vibrations, I can get them when I'm awake by doing 5-8 sets of 20 deep breaths. I have a hunch that I can use those to do a WILD but haven't suceeded yet.

[Zarklon]

I did breathing exercises last night and they proved to get me very very deep into trance.  There were two occasions where I could not tell if I was laying down cross legged or with both legs parallel to each other.. It felt 50-50 so I made a guess and moved them... I WAS WRONG =/  I thought my left ankle was over my right one.  I remember feeling quite wierd before I fell asleep.. my breathing sort of became second priority no matter how hard I tried.. my mind was being sucked by imagery I wasnt focussed on and even imagery sounds that I tried not to hear.  I could have stayed awake in that stage for a minute and experienced some trippy things while still awake but I tried to keep breathing slowly and imagining clean energy entering and toxic energy leaving..along with body tension.

I think I'll be giving my breathign exercises a go for a while.. they seem to be producing nice effects for me

[Dream Cadet]

Cube,

I like the imagery idea.  Also, I have been in a slump with my OBEs lately and I have noticed a difference in my sleep pattern.  When I was having frequent OBEs, I would wake up in increments of 90 minutes.  Not every 90 minutes but every time I woke up it would be a a multiple of 90 minutes.  Since I stopped having OBEs. I wake up at random times.  They are never in multiples of 90 minutes.  I agree with you on the quote below about vibrations/REM as this would coincide with REM.

quote:Basically the only way I cen get paralysis so far is by interrupted sleep. If I wake up when I'm in deep REM sleep then go back to sleep I almost always get paralysys and then can project by deep breathing. I usually experience vibrations when that happens but not always.

I assume this is why it was so easy for me when I first started OBEing. I am going to be trying a bunch of stuff over the next couple of weeks.  This will be one of them.

Thanks for the info,

D.C.

[cube]

Well it took me all day but I finally had my first semi-planned daytime astral experience!

Earlier today I laid down on my back, closed my eyes, and counted 100 normal breaths like Zarklon has described. This didn't get me to a projection but I did notice it allowed me to have open-eye hypnagogics.

About a week ago when I opened my eyes from a meditation the ceiling looked like it was glowing white. When I stood up and moved around to really wake up things looked normal again.

The open eye hypnagogics I saw this morning started out like a transparent lime green bar going across the ceiling, I could kind of control it and rotate like it was actually a cylinder to look down it as a tube. That made is act like it was shining a dim green light on me.

I think this is maybe related to what Stuart Wilde refers to as the Morph. I bet that if I could make these open-eye images real and detailed enough then I could send myself through the tube and have a 3rd-eye style tunnel type OBE.

Stuart Wilde has an excellent web site at:
http://stuartwilde.com

He has written about the Morph in a lot of places, specifically:
http://stuartwilde.com/morph/Mirror/SW_morph_mirror_worlds1.htm

quote:
But once the morph came, we found we could see into the mirror world without any contraptions to help us. What was mysterious was we could see in with our eyes open and with them shut. The first we saw was symbols: swirls and vortexes, geometric shapes and patterns, moving up the walls of the sitting room. When we closed our eyes, we saw the same images tracking across our vision. So the morph symbols were outside of us and inside us at the same time.

From time to time, we'd see silver vortexes of energy coming from way in the distance towards us. They always traveled on a curved trajectory, which I found very interesting. For if you look at this photo of a candle reflected in two mirrors you can see that the refraction of light causes
the candle to appear to be moving into the distance along a curved path. It could be a coincidence and then perhaps the curve is factor of the pathway from here to over there.

Years ago, I had quite a few experiences up what researchers called the near-death tube. I found if you can really entrance your mind into a virtual catatonic state, you can see up the near-death tube without going through a clinical death. What I discovered at that time was that the tube has a distinct curve in it. I discovered that in the late 80s.

When I closed my eyes it was black with red petals radiating out like a large rose face. It was a unique image for me but I couldn't get beyond that so I got up for a while.

I eventually laid back down for another try. The meditation went nowhere so I turned over and laid on my stomach for a snooze. After a bit I found I had vibrations and paralysis so I did deep breaths and was able to open one of my astral eyes. I was moving in and out of the physical and astral just about to project when I got the timing wrong and moved my arm while I was in the physical and I woke up too much. I laid there with light vibes but couldn't get them going again.

I did notice that when I was on the astral side I felt very very tired, while on the physical side I felt normal. I think either I just need to raise more astral energy or there could be some damage to my etheric body that makes it leak energy all the time.

I've never ever been able to project while lying on my back, nor can I relax enough go to sleep on my back and I think there's a correlation. I have to either be on my side or my stomach to sleep or to project it seems.

[holy reality]

i'm really lazy today (probably because i forced myself to lucid dream until 12) so i'm not reading these posts in their entirety, but I want to induce paralysis too.

What I found last night was I was close, I woudl jerk out of hypnagogics and get such a deep spasm that it felt like parlaysis was ALMOST there, I just need to be just a tiny bit deeper.

Now for me, when I work on this (i'll talk abuot my method at the end) I can only do it so much before I get uncomfortable, and then I move, and that makes me untired and I have to start over again, and it's about 5 times harder to get back... OR.... I just do it for so long with failures that my brain somehow thinks it got rested and doesn't want to go back anymore, either way, it's 5 times harder to go back after that (which is a good patience/focus builder I guess)

So here's the thing... last night I somehow succeeded, not right away, it was probably an hour and a half after I lied down in bed... and I drifted in/out of unconscious hypnagogics about oh, 12-15 times... 3 of them giving such violent jerks that I knew I was close, just needed to be a tiny bit deeper and it would have worked.

Of interest, is that I can prevent the jerks from happening, but by doing this, I do not fall deep enough to get into a trance. For example, I can tell when one is loosely coming, it is preceeded by rapid falling and detailed sounds and imagery... if I am focused I can stop that from happening, take a deep breath, and feel very very odd... sometimes it makes my heart hurt.... so.... this just does not take my anywhere at all though, I have to do more than that.

Now I'm not positive, but I think what I did eventually, was let myself get very deep to the point of when I came out I was too tired to think, and then I think I felt my "pulse" in my head, and just focused on that.

I really dont' remember what I did at all, all I know is I "woke up" into paralysis.

I do vaguely recall that my body felt very odd, I wasn't sure where it was, I knew I was in it, and it was in my room, but it felt "loose" in a way, and yet very attached in another way.... it's so hard, the memory is almost gone, words can't describe it but I can sort of remember the feeling.

Somehow, doing something with that feeling, it got me there... but the problem is I can get a similar feeling to it as before, and it won't do anything.

Here is what I am going to recommend to do, and am going to try (more or less) tomorrow to see if I can consciously enter paralysis without ever losing awareness.

1) Take a handful of deep breaths, get relaxed.... strecth the hell out of your muscles, especially legs (for me anyway) this might involve sitting up and doing weird yoga like poses, trying to put them behind your head.... legs are the hardest, but arms are important too.. just really strech out in a peaceful way, then lie back down.

2) get as comfortable as possible (if you ever feel like you need to open your eyes due to pressure that is fine, just close them after a little bit of "rest" on them)

3) sleep is caused by a chaotic feedback of unconscious thoughts, and the unconscious thoughts are always there, the problem lies in stimulating them. When you first achieve this (unnaturally) it will not make you tired, but it will make you jerk all the same, this is the most frustrating part, because since it doesn't tire you, it's hard to go back.

What I like to do best is I like to focus on something, such as my fan, it has weird reverberations that match my "head" somehow and make me feel tired, I focus on that.... now... I will have thoughts enter my head, and I will try and hear as many as I can, and repeat them as soon as possible... for example... say there is just one brief voice, and it's like "he ate the chicken" and it doesn't make you tired, well, if you don't pay attention to it you wont' get tired.... notice that thought and interact with it, repeat it, pay attention to it, even ask it a question.

**while you are doing this, you have to pay attention to all your other thoughts to, there is no way you can acknowladge each one, there are too many, but just realizing that many thoughts exist, and trying to focus on a few of them and repeating a few of them, it causes a tired sensation and they keep intensifying.

Pretty soon you'll lose consciousness briefly.

From there if you are some sort of lucky person you can enter a dream, or you can enter paralysis, for me, no matter what, I jerk awake.

4) so if you are jerking awake a lot and you keep trying to go back, you will hit a stage where images linger in your eyelids, this is an important stage, if you keep deepening too long aftre this, you will not be able to focus at all on anything..... so I advise you try to hold onto the images using any techniques necessary, in hopes of re-entry... if this fails.... let htem get about as vivid as they can before you feel like if you do it one more time you'll lose it, if you can get into a semi-dream that is ideal.. or if you can even get AWARE during a semi-dream, enough to try to stay inside, that's ideal too (from my experience I can't stay inside, my mind takes me out when I try to hold onto the ground or spin or rub my hands)...

but you've had detailed imagery, maybe even small dreams, and you know that soon the focus is going to be gone.....

5) do conscious breath awareness, focus on your body, and feel a pulse somewhere, I recommend in the head near the third eye.....

what happens after that I can only speculate... but your body is on the borderilne so close to being there, you just have to stay with it... somehow, and the pulse sounds like it might work, like, it's a precursor to full blown vibrations, but it doesn't work unless you are close to sleeping.

So anyway...

I have another method rather than the listening method, which is easier, but not as effective, and it is to make a mantra out of something that doesn't make sense (you listen to your thoughts for a word that doesn't make sense and repeat it) and you do it until you get tired, and then you do it some more until it stops making you tired, then you listen for another word and use it instead.

and well there are plenty of other ways too, the goal is just to turn your conscious mind almost off, so you can hear your unconscious mind and let it sweep you away.


an alternative method: do everything I just said, but when you feel like you are abuot to lose control, try and stop the falling sensation before it starts, for as long as you can, while feeling the pulse..... maybe i have just been stopping the falling too early.

edit: one last thing, if you don't have sleeping problems and you keep jerking awake and faliing to enter paralysis too much, it can be beneficial to just let yourself all asleep, you've been trying to project for so long that you might just trigger lucidity in a dream or wake up into parlaysis sometime in the near future.

i can't let it make me fall asleep though, it's weird...

[cube]

I've found that counting normal breaths might be a good way to have a daytime projection. I counted 500 this morning about found that around 300 it was hard to stay with it, what would happen is I would count 347, 348, 349... and then it was really easy to drift out of phase and forget to go to the next set of 10. At about 400 I think I was close to the edge of going into Focus 10 but when I realized that I got excited I ruined it.

From 400 to 500 I wasn't in a very good trance but it seemed to help me raise energy because I started to get hot and start sweating. I got uncomfortable and got up, but now that I know more what it feels like to go from awake to a state cloes to Focus 10 it should be easier to reproduce and not get excited.

The exact way I was counting was count the number on the inhale, then mindblank on the exhale. It's returning from the mindblank that can make it easy to lose it around 300 breaths.

[Zarklon]

If anyone out there projects with paralysis and I know a few of you do from PMs , then this might be the question you can help me answer.. And please feel free to give some advice if you dont use paralysis as your primary trigger to OBE.

My main question for everyone would be ... How do YOU get to the paralysis state OR the vibrations state?  

I've done it a number of ways back when I used to project 3 times a week in class.. I was always sitting up and focusing on outside noises while remaining as relaxed as I could and not falling out of my desk... I'm not sure if sitting up helped or if it was because of 2 morning naps before my attempts each time but I've moved on to trying to leave my body in my bed.  I've been successful about 6 or 7 times in the past leaving my body from my bed but not many of them were willed projections or planned projections.  Most of my bed projections were just .. well.. spontaneous I guess.. little to no effort and sometimes accidental.

Some ways I've noticed I could bring on paralysis would have to be listening to hypnagogic noises and combining them with images...

If I'm tired enough (or reach a certain state of relaxation long enough) I will begin to see all kinds of things in my head.. not blobs of colors but if I just watch what mental pictures/scenes are going on in my head I'll either fall asleep or hear noises from them eventually..  If I am watching a mental baseball game I'de hear a noise likc a crack of a bat when someone hits the ball but nothing else.  Its usually a quick noise of some kind .. associated with pops or electrical buzzes and I only hear those noises when the imagery is getting quite realistic.  My problem is , I fall asleep no matter what I do ..

I'm now trying to figure out how I can enduce paralysis and actually stay awake while in it for about 20 secs... its all I'll need to leave my body.  Once I'm in paralysis , 80% of the time I'm out in under 20 secs (sometimes 2 secs if its one of those WHOOSH , IM OUT! times..).

What are your methods of reaching sleep paralysis , vibrations , or just staying awake till you get there?  Any comments will help me greatly...  I plan to do a lot of practicing this summer and it all starts this week.



PS: Has anyone experiences imagery like me? I mean... I have some wickedly random and crazy stuff goin on when I let my mind run free.. I got a scene of 2 old scientists with gray hair talking once and blackness was all around them and the next thing I knew , I heard a very realistic (almost physical voice) say  "corpse" 3 times... freaky.... after realizing that it was a womans voice .. I started thinking just how RANDOM all this imagery is... shortly after that , I heard pretty birds in my left ear that sounded like my mind shifted me off to an exotic jungle and the birds were there just to "finish me off" to sleep =/  cause thats what happened 2 secs after I realized "hey these birds are gonna make me..... ZzzzZzzzZzz"