Its all just a dream...

[holy reality]

i think lucid dreams and OBEs are more or less the same myself...

but i theorize that lucid dreams and OBEs take place in a higher place of.... umm... universalness to it, whereas normal dreams tend to be confined to *mainly* your own mind.

but yes none of my OBEs seem very realistic in comparison to the real world, usually... i think that's normal?

I've never actually been into the PHYSICAL before myself, I suppose it's possible, but I've just never really been an 100% accurate version of my room before.

[Kinjari]

"I've just never really been an 100% accurate version of my room before."


EXACTLY!  Nothing was very accurate at all. When I went outside it was all wrong...like it was semi tropical and I live in Colorado. The bedroom seemed sort of right but it was all very fuzzy. I realize that I am not going to be "seeing" the way Im used to in the physical sense but the way both Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce described interacting with the physical (Robert describes sitting on top of the chimmny of his house during a rain storm and observing his street) I just figured it would be more....tangible.

Im now wondering if I actually experienced something more then a dream. My gut instict tells me it was only a dream...you know, that feeling you get when what you are dreaming seems so real but then you wake up and the bitter disapointment when you realize you are not really on a 50' sailboat with the Swedish bikini team

Is there a difference in the feeling of the experience when one has truely had an OBE vs a regular dream or even a lucid dream? The idea of OBEs/lucid dreams taking place in a higher realm of 'universalness' kind of makes sense to me. If thats the case then perhaps I was sucessful after all and because Im not well trained it just degenerates into the 'Alice' state of dreaming.

At least it was an interesting experience. The exit was very effortless if indeed it was a true exit and not just dreamed. Hopefully things will become more clear with further practice.

[holy reality]

"EXACTLY! Nothing was very accurate at all. When I went outside it was all wrong...like it was semi tropical and I live in Colorado. The bedroom seemed sort of right but it was all very fuzzy. I realize that I am not going to be "seeing" the way Im used to in the physical sense but the way both Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce described interacting with the physical (Robert describes sitting on top of the chimmny of his house during a rain storm and observing his street) I just figured it would be more....tangible."

Same here... he made the RTZ sound like you could outside, see a brown dog, wake yourself up and that brown dog would be right where you saw it....

But maybe we aren't entering the RTZ... I made a post about this and most people said I was, just that it isn't supposed to be 100% accurate.

But you did this during the night/morning right?

One idea I have is that your mind is still in dreaming mode when you enter a trance during the night/morning upon waking up, and that maybe if you learned how to meditate and properly go into a trance during the day, things would be much more realistic?

I don't think it matters wheter you "dreamed" about projecting or not though since you did it in your room you probably really had your body separate even if it was occurring within a dream.

But like maybe if you were dreaming (non lucid) and you "projected" from some random dream location by laying down and leaving your body, that might take you to ALICE type places, but it's still an interesting experience and I don't think it should be discredited.

(and thanks to whoever initially told me that very thing because the more I think about it the more it makes sense)

This article posted by Nick in another thread in the Dreams forum might help:
http://lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html

[Huwie]

Something tells me that when you consciously project into the RTZ, you will know it isn't just a dream, lucid or otherwise.

[manuel]

ya i know how ya feel, at times when i project things are not right at all or i even manipulate physical objects, but there have been obes when i have seen things than verified in the physical, its strange no?

[Kinjari]

Im wondering if others are having similar experiences. Im new to all of this and in a previous post described my 'spontaneous' first 'encounter?' with what I think was the beginning of an OBE exit. I have read (and am re-reading) Robert Bruce's piece and got a couple of books from the library (Monroe in particular). Its all been very informative and helpful.

However Im at a point where I only seem to get results at night before sleep or early morning when waking up and I think this is a problem as its when Im typically in deep sleep. I seem to be hit or miss on reaching the state where Im feeling vibrations but every now and again it seems I can get there. Usually very light ones and I try to relax and 'hang with it' to get them to grow stronger. This portion is all in my directly conscious mind and there is no 'dream feeling' to it at all. However the only results I have had after that have been 'dreams' of OBEs.

I will go from feeling vibrations to 'rolling', my preferred technique, and on a couple of occasions felt myself 'detach'. On all of these occasions at the time I thought it was really happening. The most recent one was this morning. I saw myself lying in bed (all very dim...not clear at all) and saw many 'Alice' effects ( a cat slowly turning in space as if in zero G next to the bed). I went outside and suddenly remembered Roberts's advice to keep the first journey very short. So as I was returning to my room I heard a female voice, very garbled...a lot of what was said was unintelligible, but I did hear the voice say something to the effect of 'being happy Im working to overcome the barrier(s)'. I 'thought' myself back into my body and immediately woke up...and that was the real bummer. I definitely woke up and I instinctively knew it was all just a dream. There was some lucidity in terms of controlling my direction and actions but I know it was only a dream.

Is this part of the beginning process? For those of you that have achieved a true OBE, was the difference clear to you?

Thanks in advance for any input. I will continue to practice.