Third Eye Vs. Projection

[Astrid22]

First post, hello all!

I have had no formal training in what I've experienced, I've never mediated a day in my life but I've been lucky enough to have experienced the non physical to varying degrees. I have always been my own teacher and it has always worked for me because I feel that I will experience what I'm meant to experience when I'm ready to experience it. But for me I want to understand the underworkings at play. What is actually happening. And that's why I came here. I've read a lot of the threads, Xanth's book (which is awesome btw) franks pdf, among all the other goodies on here. What I was left contemplating after reading was lots of things but for todays purpose this. The idea that we don't actually leave our body kind of threw me for a loop. While I understand we are just moving up in consciousness isn't there an actual physical leaving that occurs? Most of my experiences to the non-physical have been through my third eye. And while I like that Xanth says not to get caught up on the labels its kind of hard not to notice the differences from each perspective when they occur. With my third eye experiences I don't force any intent on anything. I see blackness, color images swirling around and focus on one and you go there. Sometimes I see stars, other times I don't but that doesn't stop me from being able to dive into a picture. Now correct me if I'm wrong but (gen consensus) believe that I am actually astrally traveling when this is happening? My disagreement with this is I don't feel any disconnection from my physical. I can open my eyes, roll around exc, and just reclose them and reconnect again. I'm in like dual consciousness of sorts (mentally) but not actually there astrally if that makes sense. I don't feel the elation of emotions that I have felt while being in my astral body. The first time I actually left my body I rode a horse all around my neighborhood. I felt the horse beneath me, galloping, wind in my hair, 360 degrees of awesomeness.   But in the third eye state I have no connection but from what I am viewing. So my question is, to those of you who experience the non-physical, are you doing this primarily through your third eye or through astral traveling? And do you find that there are any limitations one vs. the other? Thanks!

[CFTraveler]

When it comes to projection many here come from the mystical perspective (although some resist the label) that everything is one with you, therefore 'you' are everywhere, and the physical body is a sort of representation of the universe- so there is no 'leaving' because you're already 'there' to begin with.
I am of that 'school' of thought also, but I don't look at projection from a philosophical 'the world is....' standpoint, I see it from a mechanical standpoint, that of an observer- so from the limited perspective of an observer (i.e. a point of consciousness that observes realilty from 'here' to 'there') because when I project, it's not my 'higher self' that does the projecting, it's my point of consciousness, my sense of perspective.  So from an observer point of view, a projection is when I put my focus of awareness (or observation) on an environment, an obe is the movement from point a (the physical center) to point b (another physical location) and observe from there, and an astral projection is when point b is not located in a physical perspective.  To me, the 'third eye' viewing, in which your point of observation is in your body but the observed scape changes or is not being viewed with your physical eyes, is clairvoyance, which can be called remote viewing if the right protocols are involved.

From my point of view, the perception of movement outside your body is not illusory, the nuts-and bolts- explanations for this may vary.

[Astrid22]

Thank you for your response!! That makes a lot more sense. I never knew what it was i was actually doing. What confuses me with this being remote viewing is for example, one of the first times I remote viewed, I was transported to a theatre. The people were sitting and wearing old clothes, I'm talking top hat black tie clothing. The moment I was there they all turned and looked at me. Like they knew I was there and it freaked me out so i opened my eyes which is how I disconnect. If what i am doing is remote viewing how can they actually know that i am there? That's what makes me think it has to be something else. Another example is sometimes i'm transported to a room full of people. They are also in old clothes and rounded hats from like the early twenties. They all see me and one of them jumped at me, waving his arms and things but i couldn't understand what he was trying to say it was soo frusterating!! Any thoughts on how to begin hearing? The ironic thing in all this is auditory was one of the first things i ever had when i was younger. and still expereince in the physical but with my third eye it's like someone pressed the mute button! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

[Lionheart]

 I understand what you are saying Astrid22. I too have many times that I can just close my eyes and start "observing". I have created posts on this in the past here. One of these times that scared the beejeebus out of me was when I was in the shower. I got soap in my eyes and closed them because of the pain, I then saw that I was teetering at the end of a waterfall, just ready to go over it. It shocked me so much that I actually lost balance and grabbed the shower curtain I started falling for real. I almost tore them down, lol.

I don't understand why it happens and it doesn't seem to happen all the time. Now, when it does, I just "passively observe" the scene with an air of curiosity, just like I do while Phasing.

I have to say though, CFT's answer was excellent. When I first began Phasing, everyone I met told me to just "observe". It was becoming a broken record after while. But, now I understand why I was told that. Once my questions stopped, the answers started to show themselves through various quests and Astral adventures. I learned much more, living them, then I would have had I been told in the first place.

I believe everything happens for a reason. You need to find that reason now for yourself. 

Good Luck and Safe Travels! 

[CFTraveler]

It is possible that you are not so much 'remote viewing' but 'seeing behind the curtain', or even bilocating 'out of time'. 
If you were doing a, the characters dressed in old fashioned clothes may have been parts of your soul group, or self aspects, who would be very aware of what you see and do, or
You were bilocating (that is, occupying someone else's body while maintaining 'now' continuity) and the other person is from the victorian era.

Lots of ways to speculate, all fun.   

[Astrid22]

Thank you both for your responses!! Lionheart-- crazy story with the waterfall. That must have been intense to say the least!!  I agree that we need to find the reasons for ourselves, however as you probably already know, when you have multiple ways of experiencing the non physical. One night your AP, the next night your seeing people from the past, the night after that you are seeing someone get CPR in a hospital, it can be all over the place!!   Which isn't a bad thing but it's nice to know that others are going through it too. CFTraveler- thank you for your responses! One it helped clarify a lot which I really really appreciate. I looked up clairvoyance and it def describes what I've experienced my whole life. Knowing things before they happen ext. I'm going to look into bi-location, that would be wicked cool if that was the case!! Because seeing people from the past is crazy! The clothing is the trippiest part of it, the whole vibe/ atmosphere.  One time I saw a newspaper boy selling newspapers on the corner! His tattered clothes and loud mouth was just like you see in the movies except of course was actually happening. I do notice that every time I go to the past that I see a green tint view of things, like an old photo. That's how I know it's not RTZ or something else! Anyway I'll look into it! Your right speculation is def part of the fun!  

[Lionheart]

Thank you both for your responses!! Lionheart-- crazy story with the waterfall. That must have been intense to say the least!!  I agree that we need to find the reasons for ourselves, however as you probably already know, when you have multiple ways of experiencing the non physical. One night your AP, the next night your seeing people from the past, the night after that you are seeing someone get CPR in a hospital, it can be all over the place!!   Which isn't a bad thing but it's nice to know that others are going through it too.

You can find that the reason behind all of this "Astral Hopping" could be just to teach you to be consciously aware and to distinguish exactly where you are. This is a great skill to have in the NPR as well! 

It makes you start to ask more from the people you see there. It also shows you how vast the NPR really is.