I'm having alot of trouble

[Lionheart]

This is great,
This is what us beginners are after and will help many more people starting out wink:
Really we want to help as many people as we can get into this don't we ..?
As i think there will be a lot more to come.
cheers.

It's really good because at first he mentions how he was doing everything right, according to the many books he read, but not getting favorable results. He even goes through his exact method.

But then he realizes how easy this really is and how difficult WE make it out to be.

[enlightnd]

It's really good because at first he mentions how he was doing everything right, according to the many books he read, but not getting favorable results. He even goes through his exact method.

But then he realizes how easy this really is and how difficult WE make it out to be.

Defiantly, I like his method, So much so that i just tried it straight after reading it and posting here, I even put in some foam earplugs i had from work which helped heeeaps! It was sooo much easier to here nothing BUT your mind and i mainly just focused on listening to the ringing which personally i think thats what brought it on so fast, After what was literally 10 to 15 mins! Vibrations had started, At my head first and then went threw my body down to my toes then back up and dispersed throughout my entire body, Then i felt as if i was getting further from my body and i started getting heavy wave like wobbles/pulses threw my body, (I have not had this yet until now!) This happened for quite some time (it felt great) then it just did it for ages! vibes an wave like pulses.. while getting all these sensations i did as he said an just ignored them I focused on the blackness but not to much just acted like ye whatever and continued to try to sleep, it very intense But after it all i STILL didn't get through.
Now my body feels abit sore and worn out like iv just finished a big run.

REALLY CONFUSED..    I defiantly got further, and this method(Kicks butt) kicked things into action SO much quicker ! I thoroughly recommend it, its a much better mind set to be in of just going to sleep and just forget everything you have learned so far JUST LITERALLY lay there and try an go to sleep but listen to the ringing in the ears which keeps you consciously aware. Plus the foam ear plugs to cancel out any slight sound to disturb you or make your mind wonder or chatter, i had no mind chatter atall.

One thing i don't get and really can't see happening is when he says and other people say don't worry if you fall asleep or 'nod off' .....
I NEVER get that feeling... because I'm staying consciously aware... . how can you fall FULLY asleep when your staying consciously aware... I certainly cannot, maybe its just me..? I do drift sometimes ill give you that, but i always no whats going on.

Summing up.. This is a great method and i will continue to use from now on, but I still don't no what i need to do to 'break through'   

[Bedeekin]

"break through"

Yay!!!

To break through just turn your focus towards the hypnogogic scenario you may or may not be having.

[enlightnd]

"break through"

Yay!!!

To break through just turn your focus towards the hypnogogic scenario you may or may not be having.

hahah, Ok because i keep thinking at the break through moment my vision is going to phase to the room I'm in...

So when i get all these sensations i should start focusing on the visions harder ? Or just watch lightly for something ... i can't really recall if i was having many visions at this stage..  ill have to look into it next time.

[Lionheart]

hahah, Ok because i keep thinking at the break through moment my vision is going to phase to the room I'm in...
So when i get all these sensations i should start focusing on the visions harder ? Or just watch lightly for something ... i can't really recall if i was having many visions at this stage..  ill have to look into it next time.

Just ALLOW what happens to happen.

I'm sure if you do this, you will have something new occur.

Just practice geting non physical for now. You can hone your skills later! 

[Bedeekin]

hahah, Ok because i keep thinking at the break through moment my vision is going to phase to the room I'm in...

So when i get all these sensations i should start focusing on the visions harder ? Or just watch lightly for something ... i can't really recall if i was having many visions at this stage..  ill have to look into it next time.

Just do what you want... there are no specifics or rules. Follow your instincts. Work it out yourself without any influences. Try to just 'do'.

Seriously. I know you are new to this... but you need to try to refrain from asking questions of specifics because if the particular advice doesn't work you will perceive that as failure... which is no good for anyone... most of all you.

Your questions are similar to asking what our favourite colours are... you will get our personal answers... what good is this to you personally?

Also.. Try to stop thinking of it as 'breaking through'. This may be the wrong metaphor... try 'integrate with' or 'turning your attention to'... 'focusing on'. Just a suggestion.

[enlightnd]

Just ALLOW what happens to happen.

I'm sure if you do this, you will have something new occur.

Just practice geting non physical for now. You can hone your skills later! 

Okee ye i think its just a matter of keeping at it now, thanks 

Just do what you want... there are no specifics or rules. Follow your instincts. Work it out yourself without any influences. Try to just 'do'.

Seriously. I know you are new to this... but you need to try to refrain from asking questions of specifics because if the particular advice doesn't work you will perceive that as failure... which is no good for anyone... most of all you.

Your questions are similar to asking what our favourite colours are... you will get our personal answers... what good is this to you personally?

Also.. Try to stop thinking of it as 'breaking through'. This may be the wrong metaphor... try 'integrate with' or 'turning your attention to'... 'focusing on'. Just a suggestion.

Ye I'm hearing ya, I'm working this out that everyone has totally different experiences in the whole process, i just felt i needed as much info on what everyone else does an gets just to get a really good understanding of all the different possibilities to take into account... thats probably the only reason i ask so many questions, it has helped.. because i seriously had NO iDEA what to look for sometimes or what 'not to look for' i should now say, and iv tried lots of different methods from everyones answers to in the end personalise 'MY' best way.

But now i realise this last part is defiantly all up to me to find the way, and ill keep those metaphors in mind that does sound better, ill just let it happen, if I'm persistent enough i think this last part will happen naturally an then ill sit there and go OHHHH THATS WHAT I NEEDED TO DO, THATS EASY! 

I now feel confident with the skills iv learnt to get most the way,
I wana thank yourself and lion heart for your patients you two have been a major help more than you think. 

[Bedeekin]

If you are persistent enough?

If you put as much energy into doing it as you do asking about it you should be well on your way. 

Seriously though just take it easy and don't get too excited about it all. It'll come to you.

[Astralsuzy]

Alright I've been trying to astral project for about 5 months now practicing a lot and I'm having lots of trouble ive got to the part of mass body vibrations and ive got to the part were i can fool my mind into thinking thinks i lay in my bed when i project and i can illusion my mind in to thinking my bed is spinning shaking or slanting to a side. :/

I do not know what the others said.  If you are getting vibrations or you think your bed is shaking etc. you can spiritually move away and you are free to do what you want to do.  People do not seem to like doing that.  I do not know why.  There is another way.  You can imagine you are jumping or rolling out of your bed.  You can think of anything else you like.  You can do what Xanth says and that is intent.  You must have intent to be able to do it.

[Astralzombie]

You will likely feel like you're going to die. A panic sets in just before you exit and you may try your hardest to "wake up" and not die. Even though you can tell yourself that you want this and you're not afraid you're never prepared for it when it happens. To think of it like a dream or a fantasy is a big mistake. You might think you know what it will feel like but you don't. It feels as real as this does now. It's more real than real. Before you do this know that you will not die from this, that many have done it before you. Accept that should you die that it would be worth it for the truth. Really think about that to the point where if you do feel like you're going to die that you will not panic. Fear can hold you back years.

This was so true for me and I suspect it is for many. I have posted before that when the moment comes, you won't be able to panic your way out of it. You will be in it for the long haul. That is until you immediately shift focus back to your body and ruin it with excitement.lol

No matter how many times you hear that it is harmless and wonderful, you will still think about all the bad scenarios and you will most likely shift right back. But that can be good too. Steelhawk also recommended going right back after your first few successes and here is a good reason why. The feeling of finally shifting your focus to the NPR is overwhelming and you will remember it the best after your first few times. Remembering how it feels will help you capture it sooner as you are starting to phase the next time.

If you hang around and explore, you will most likely get caught in a dream "trap" and forget the vividness of the experience. You may not even remember your first time with intent.

Also, to improve your chances you need to work on your lucid dreaming. This is the number one easiest way for a beginner to have their first experience with awareness from what I am reading here and I believe it to be true. Remember that the only difference between a dream, a lucid dream, and an AP is your awareness and control. What this means is that you already do every night naturally what you are now struggling to do with intent. Do you see how all this focus can actually hinder your success.

Don't let the dream explanation zap your idea of what all this really is (as if I know). All anybody really knows is that these are real experiences and we are meant to be aware of them at some point.

[Astralzombie]

Because i keep reading so many fantastic stories on here haha, I caaaaaaaanttttt waaaaaaait!!! especially not years ! hahah
thats good to no tho, I'm just way to exited about the whole idea, its like having super powers! i just wana start exploring
and learning, and get off earth meet other beings.
Hey while your here, when you brake threw do you actually open your eyes like it feels like you would of opened your physical eyes but you've broken threw so its your nonphysical eyes..?

The question you have about vision is probably a big concern for all beginners. My take on it is that once you have shifted your focus, if you choose to be in a body of sorts, then yes it is like actually opening your real eyes and seeing. I usually am not aware of being in a body until I try to interact with what I am observing. For me, when I recall the experience It is most like a first person shooter game except from all sides. But in the actual moment, it is just how you feel when your awake everyday. Try and recall a favorite memory and the images that you play back will only be from your pov and you won't actually see your physical body. I'm contradicting myself all over the lace here but you should get the jest of it.

Once you succeed, your goals will quickly switch from what you can do in the NPR (fly,visit other planets, fart fire balls at warp speed) to what you can learn and how to grow. It would indeed be a very different reality here if everyone was aware of the NPR. Fear loses a lot of it's control once you start to realize certain things. Good luck, you're close now.

[enlightnd]

If you are persistent enough?

If you put as much energy into doing it as you do asking about it you should be well on your way. 

Seriously though just take it easy and don't get too excited about it all. It'll come to you.

haha hey come on now this is pretty incredible this stuff here, i do have a lot of time on my hands tho.. iv been stuck at home doing literally nothing but learn all about this, i came off my dirt bike and broke my foot in 8 places, its been 2 months so far, just went an spoke with my orthopaedic doc then an he said another month!!     more time to practice i guess    I try to project every morning, meditate around lunch sometimes an try project again around 4:30pm(seems to be my best time) then try to project again when i go to sleep, which i have the worst luck with i have been remembering all my dreams with great detail lately tho.

This was so true for me and I suspect it is for many. I have posted before that when the moment comes, you won't be able to panic your way out of it. You will be in it for the long haul. That is until you immediately shift focus back to your body and ruin it with excitement.lol

No matter how many times you hear that it is harmless and wonderful, you will still think about all the bad scenarios and you will most likely shift right back. But that can be good too. Steelhawk also recommended going right back after your first few successes and here is a good reason why. The feeling of finally shifting your focus to the NPR is overwhelming and you will remember it the best after your first few times. Remembering how it feels will help you capture it sooner as you are starting to phase the next time.

If you hang around and explore, you will most likely get caught in a dream "trap" and forget the vividness of the experience. You may not even remember your first time with intent.

Also, to improve your chances you need to work on your lucid dreaming. This is the number one easiest way for a beginner to have their first experience with awareness from what I am reading here and I believe it to be true. Remember that the only difference between a dream, a lucid dream, and an AP is your awareness and control. What this means is that you already do every night naturally what you are now struggling to do with intent. Do you see how all this focus can actually hinder your success.

Don't let the dream explanation zap your idea of what all this really is (as if I know). All anybody really knows is that these are real experiences and we are meant to be aware of them at some point.

Ok ye the staying out for only a short period at first makes more sense, i have had an OBE once before but it was induced by drugs an i didn't expect it at all so i do no the feeling of thinking your dying, it was pretty intense an no matter how i hard i fought the drug pushed an pushed it till i was suddenly flying threw a vortex of clouds an thought i actually had died haha, long story short ended up talking with i think one of my guides an he i asked if i was dead an he said no its not your time then i felt my silver chord or what felt like someone pulling me back down by my legs an boom bam i was back in my body.

So im not afraid. I agree about loosing the fear factor i already do not fear death anymore at all.  BRING IT ON! not death that is.. astral projection 

Cheers.