I'm pretty new, could someone help me out a little?

[Melchior]

Okay, so I'm pretty new to Astral Projection. I've reached the vibrational state and all, but it eventually goes away and I'm stuck with sleep paralysis for the rest of the night. I suppose my question is: What do I do once I reach the vibrational state? I also have another question, but it may not make sense to you guys. What do I do to get out of the body? Yes, I know, imagine myself climbing or sinking or something, but the thing is, how exactly am I supposed to feel this? I can see it playing in my mind, is that what you mean, or do you mean I really have to feel like this is happening? Thank you for reading this far, I realize my stupidity in this area could be quite annoying. 

[Asi911]

Welcome Melchior!

I totally understand your confusion. I also had a long period of frustration with SP and how to exit.

When you are in sleep paralysis, you don't need to imagine - you need to MOVE! as if you were moving your physical body. If you are really in sleep paralysis than your physical body will not move (even if you want it to) - only your energy body will move.
You DO need to imagine there is a rope near you but you need to actually move your (energy) arms, grab it and climb outside your body.

Hope this helps!
Good luck

[Xanth]

Okay, so I'm pretty new to Astral Projection. I've reached the vibrational state and all, but it eventually goes away and I'm stuck with sleep paralysis for the rest of the night. I suppose my question is: What do I do once I reach the vibrational state? I also have another question, but it may not make sense to you guys. What do I do to get out of the body? Yes, I know, imagine myself climbing or sinking or something, but the thing is, how exactly am I supposed to feel this? I can see it playing in my mind, is that what you mean, or do you mean I really have to feel like this is happening? Thank you for reading this far, I realize my stupidity in this area could be quite annoying. 

Well, see... you have to do more than just "play" it in your mind.  You need to visualize it so that you're actually *FEELING* the sensation that the movement is making upon you.  This is where you need to use your imagination! 

I imagine that I'm moving upwards REALLY REALLY fast...
Or, you could also imagine that you're moving up really slowly, like in an elevator. 
A good trick is to actually get into an elevator and remember the exact sensations of what it feels like... when the elevator starts, when it's moving and when it stops... remember them all and how they feel to you.  Then duplicate those sensations during your practice. 

[Tiny]

Dear Melchior,

in my opinion - forget about the vibrational- and other preparation state hogwash and learn to concentrate while relaxing at the same time. When you're ready, you'll lift up at ease.



kind regards,

paul

[CFTraveler]

Well, see... you have to do more than just "play" it in your mind.  You need to visualize it so that you're actually *FEELING* the sensation that the movement is making upon you.  This is where you need to use your imagination! 

I imagine that I'm moving upwards REALLY REALLY fast...
Or, you could also imagine that you're moving up really slowly, like in an elevator. 
A good trick is to actually get into an elevator and remember the exact sensations of what it feels like... when the elevator starts, when it's moving and when it stops... remember them all and how they feel to you.  Then duplicate those sensations during your practice. 

To expand on what Xanth said, instead of imagining or visualizing, try to remember and feel it again- recreate.  There are a few ways: use the rope method (but climb a rope first, so you remember how it feels); the float up- jump into a pool to the bottom and float up.  Do this and memorize how it feels.  Try an exit technique that recreates a movement that is familiar to you.  Then, when you feel you're ready, actually do it, don't imagine it.
If you are adequately tranced, your physical body won't move, your etheric/astral body will.
If your body moves you need to work on deepening the trance before you try to exit.

[personalreality]

That feeling bit is crucial. 

You will learn to perform a mental action (basically a thought or a command for your body) that recreates the physical sensation of falling or rising.  Once I figured that bit out, trance induction became easy.  For me though, I had to stop with all of the mental actions once I induced a deep enough trance.  At that point I just let go, it seems that in my case if I continue with climbing a rope or whatever it keeps my mind too active and too focused on my body to project.

But recreating emotional and physical states (sensations) is how energy is moved and charged.

[Melchior]

Thank you everybody for responding to this! I have taken each of your posts into deep consideration and will try this when time permits. Also, I found another thing to ask! (gee, I'm making you guys work!) I was wondering, what is it actually like to astrally project? Like, is your mind like a split screen in those multiplayer video games, with one on your psychical, and the other on the astral? And, -sorry- to clarify my first question, so I just start moving as soon as the vibrational state starts?

[CFTraveler]

Thank you everybody for responding to this! I have taken each of your posts into deep consideration and will try this when time permits. Also, I found another thing to ask! (gee, I'm making you guys work!) I was wondering, what is it actually like to astrally project? Like, is your mind like a split screen in those multiplayer video games, with one on your psychical, and the other on the astral?

Not at first, but it does evolve into such an experience.  At first it feels like you became buoyant and can fly and go through stuff, and navigate.  As you evolve and your mind gets used to 'more dimensionality', the experiences become more mental and bilocation can be experienced, as flashes in-between places, and later as a melding of environments.

And, -sorry- to clarify my first question, so I just start moving as soon as the vibrational state starts?

That's different for everyone.  I'd say yes if you're just starting, but wait for more symptoms if you have been doing it for a while.  The reason is that transitional sensations change and the timing changes too.

[personalreality]

Projection is just like being awake

[Fresco]

Is it also not true that beginners must first work up enough energy the first few months before they can exit??
I read that somewhere, not sure if thats true though

[Xanth]

Is it also not true that beginners must first work up enough energy the first few months before they can exit??
I read that somewhere, not sure if thats true though

Correct, you don't *NEED* to do any energy work.

[Fresco]

Correct, you don't *NEED* to do any energy work.

I dont understand what you mean there, first you say "correct" and then you say you dont need to do energy work.

Now I'm confused 

Do you mean by doing meditation the energy work builds itself up automatically??

[personalreality]

Yes. Just doing the practice will increase your energy.  Anytime you undertake metaphysical work of any kind it increases your energy.

[Xanth]

I dont understand what you mean there, first you say "correct" and then you say you dont need to do energy work.

Now I'm confused 

Do you mean by doing meditation the energy work builds itself up automatically??

ROFL
I think you had a double negative in your question that confused me.

My answer is that you don't ever need to do or know anything about energy to do Astral Projection. 

[Fresco]

Yes. Just doing the practice will increase your energy.  Anytime you undertake metaphysical work of any kind it increases your energy.

But is it also not true that the body needs to work up enough energy over a few months before a beginner can exit??
Thats what I was told anyways

[Xanth]

But is it also not true that the body needs to work up enough energy over a few months before a beginner can exit??
Thats what I was told anyways

Yeah, that's why I got confused... you've got some double negatives in there.  LoL

You do not need to build up anything.

[CFTraveler]

You don't have to build anything up, but doing it will make it easier.  At least in my experience.

[Fresco]

You don't have to build anything up, but doing it will make it easier.  At least in my experience.

Thats what I was told also.  The higher the energy levels, the easier it is to exit and the more exits you will have.

But obviously I dont speak from personal experience since I have yet to exit myself 

[Xanth]

Thats what I was told also.  The higher the energy levels, the easier it is to exit and the more exits you will have.

But obviously I dont speak from personal experience since I have yet to exit myself 

If you make that part of your construct regarding what you *feel* is required to be successful... then yes, you'll need to do it.

[CFTraveler]

I usually agree with you, Xanth, but this is one time I don't.

Metaphysically speaking, everything is a construct- but strictly from experience (and we call call this 'actuality' if not reality), I've been projecting since I was a child- prob. 8 or 9, IIRC.  My projections were always spontaneous, uncontrolled, and sporadic- I'd have clusters of three or four in a couple of weeks and then nothing for six months.  When I was a teen, I read many books, none "how tos", simply reports and stories- and yearned to be able to induce one at will.  This didn't happen, they remained sporadic and in clusters for years. 
In my thirties I read a book by the author Scott Rogo- the first "How To" book for me- I was thrilled to find one!  So I read the book tried all the techniques, and had one half-assed separation after a few weeks of trying, and that was it.  So I went back to my 'normal' everyday life.

Then in my forties some weird stuff began to happen to me- and in my looking for a clue, I learned to do energy work (more explicitly NEW), because I found that 'sponging' helped stop the stuff that was happening to me- and in this I did the MAP course, and guess what?  Now I can induce projection fairly often, and all the problems I was having went away.

So, I didn't learn energy work to learn to project, because I was already projecting- at first it was for another reason- but when I found out it was recommended as part of a program to learn to induce projection, I tried it- Why not? And it worked better than I ever thought it would.

Of course, you don't need to do anything to project, because projection is a natural part of consciousness- but in the natural world most people are asleep when this happens, and when they experience the phenomena it is mostly a mental experience- but energy work does enhance it, and helps bring control to the experience, and sometimes makes it longer.

That's my observation based on my experience, and it's not because of expectations- I had expectations many times before with no lasting results.
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[Xanth]

That's cool, and I agree 100% with what you said (hehe as usual ).

One could almost say you learned what you needed to, THEN added to your construct later to reinforce your projections.
Kind of doing things in reverse.

At least, that's how I'm seeing it.  As I said, I'm still in the process of digesting everything I've experienced and read lately.

[CFTraveler]

I also think that the stuff that happened to me was necessary to get me into doing the research- if it hadn't happened how it did, I'd still be wondering how to induce OBEs.