I'm trying to reach focus 10 but...

[kislany]

I've just started (again) with Wave 1 (the second track) so I can eventually learn to project. I'm still quite new at it (started last year, but gave up, and now I'm at it with anewed interest) but I have a problem and a question.

At first everything is ok, I follow along with Robert's voice and eventually I am someplace else, talking with somebody, or watching something, or running into a door (yeah it happened too), and I get jolted out of whatever happens to me by Robert's voice again, after the various periods of silence. For example just yesterday it happened when he was counting to 10 to relax the various body parts. I was always 'somewhere else' and his voice effectively sent a jolt through me and woke me up through each number counting.
Now does it mean that I've actually fallen asleep during those moments when he was not talking - and that each and every time? Usually it takes me over half an hour in the night to fall asleep, so it's difficult to believe that I've actually dreamed 5-6 different times a few minutes each...but otherwise what were those experiences (which seemed very real to me) of somebody talking to me, or handing me over a laptop, or me bumping my head in a door, or watching two people quareling with each other?

And the second one is that I feel I'm getting too fast out of it all when Robert Monroe is counting backwards at the end of the session. I feel it happens too fast and I haven't had the time to actually get into focus 10 as I've been 'pulled back' too fast. I've read some previous posts here by people who were saying that after listening to the CD (or track), they were then continuing to the phasing on their own. But how can you 'continue' when you are effectively woken up to be 'wide awake' when the track is over? How is everyone doing this?

Sorry for the lengthy post, I do tend to blabber when it comes to explaining myself...maybe it comes from the fact that English is not my first language, so the words come differently to me than to the rest of you

kislany

[Xanth]

I've just started (again) with Wave 1 (the second track) so I can eventually learn to project. I'm still quite new at it (started last year, but gave up, and now I'm at it with anewed interest) but I have a problem and a question.

We'll try to help you out. 

At first everything is ok, I follow along with Robert's voice and eventually I am someplace else, talking with somebody, or watching something, or running into a door (yeah it happened too), and I get jolted out of whatever happens to me by Robert's voice again, after the various periods of silence. For example just yesterday it happened when he was counting to 10 to relax the various body parts. I was always 'somewhere else' and his voice effectively sent a jolt through me and woke me up through each number counting.
Now does it mean that I've actually fallen asleep during those moments when he was not talking - and that each and every time?

How consciously aware are you during these short periods of "activity"?
If you're not conscious at all, then you're simply falling asleep and losing consciousness (dreaming).
If you're conscious of these occurrences and you're able to control what's going on, then you're Phasing! 

I think you'd benefit from reading the entries I wrote here and the links within them: 
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/06/what-is-phasing-and-noticing/
and
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/02/focus-10-mind-awake-body-alseep-written-by-ashesfred-2/

Usually it takes me over half an hour in the night to fall asleep, so it's difficult to believe that I've actually dreamed 5-6 different times a few minutes each...but otherwise what were those experiences (which seemed very real to me) of somebody talking to me, or handing me over a laptop, or me bumping my head in a door, or watching two people quareling with each other?

Those were you phasing... but I think mostly unconscious phasing.

And the second one is that I feel I'm getting too fast out of it all when Robert Monroe is counting backwards at the end of the session. I feel it happens too fast and I haven't had the time to actually get into focus 10 as I've been 'pulled back' too fast. I've read some previous posts here by people who were saying that after listening to the CD (or track), they were then continuing to the phasing on their own. But how can you 'continue' when you are effectively woken up to be 'wide awake' when the track is over? How is everyone doing this?

What you should do is run through the tracks a few times... don't worry if Monroe's voice snaps you back.
After you're run through it a few times, try doing it yourself WITHOUT the tracks. 

Sorry for the lengthy post, I do tend to blabber when it comes to explaining myself...maybe it comes from the fact that English is not my first language, so the words come differently to me than to the rest of you

You're doing fine. 
Very soon you'll be off having many adventures! 

[horaciocs]

Don't bother you feeling you're coming out of it too soon, the second tape gives you some time in focus 10, but is meant to teach you how to reach focus 10 and give you a feel of what it's like. It takes you into it and out of it twice, I think.

Later on, on the sixth tape, you're quickly guided into focus 10 (mainly on your own, robert doesn't take you by the hand in this one) and then you spend the rest of the tape there doing whatever you please. I think it also takes you into and out of it twice, but since the time for body relaxation here is much, much shorter, much more time is spent in focus 10.

The second tape teaches you a relaxation routine and introduces you to focus 10, you don't get to play around with it for too long. That's what tape 6 is there for.

[kislany]

Thanks guys for the help and clarification. I'll post back later, I'm really looking forward to this new journey

[kislany]

Ok I did other 2 sessions today, and this time I used Frank's method with a similar scene that he created to get to focus 10. The second time I only clicked out once, all the rest of the time I was aware, so - so far, so good.

But this time something weird happened, that almost freaked me out. At some point, while relaxing parts of my body (Instead of looking at my legs, thighs, etc, I use a masseur to release the tension from the areas in my body), just below my left eye it started really itching, so I had to use my hand to rub it gently, and then I went back to my initial position. However I had suddenly awareness of something else in front of my eyes. It was like a heavy black curtain or sky with millions of tiny white stars just came in front of my eyes and this was so real, it was truly beautiful. However, no matter how I tried to get back to my 'scene', I could not. It's like this black thing was a heavy door that wouldn't let me go or see through it. On the one hand I've never been aware (and aware is the keyword here) of such a beautiful black with so many little white stars moving there in front of my eyes, on the other hand, I got freaked out that I could not get back to my 'place' on the beach where I was before.

Eventually I relaxed myself more and I started to see the scene as if from far away while that strong blackness faded away, and then I got back in and did the exercise without any other weird things. Did anyone experience anything like this before? It was not like when I am waking up, although I was much more aware of myself then, but that black barrier was really strange to be right there in front of me, not letting me pass through...And it was so beautiful, so strong black and the stars where shiny white flickering in front of my eyes...

Hm, I think I'll have to start to keep a journal of all these experiences...might not have much to do with OBE, but they're completely different than when I regularly meditate...

[Xanth]

All perfectly normal. 
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/achieving_consciousness_state_for_astral_phasing-t2315.0.html;msg18431#msg18431

Don't be afraid about anything you might encounter.
Lost the fear, and push on forward. You were going great!

[kislany]

Thanks again for the encouragement, I really enjoy these sessions!