Strange Night for the whole family ..

[richter13]

Hi All

I do not want to impose upon your time without cause, but i am a bit perplexed by a very strange night yesterday. i will try to keep it short & precise, but will be happy to answer any queries. what i am hoping to get out of this post is someone or some response which can make sense where i cannot, which can interpret when i am at a loss.

about a year ago, i had started putting in serious effort into achieving OBE/LD consistently and on purpose. while i could regularly achieve SP and vibrations, i was not able to separate in the way i thought it should happen. i stopped trying after some time for a variety of reasons, of which one i must mention since it has a bearing on what i will write about later. My 3 year old sleeps in the same room as us, dad & mum. i noticed that whenever i induce the SP state when going to sleep, as i would start to drift off, at that precise moment more or less - he would wake up agitated and distressed, sometimes mentioning "monsters" which is something he would normally never do. my mind connected some dots at some point that given his age, he might be naturally more perceptive to the other realms; and if my activities distress him .. i should stop. so i stopped putting in conscious effort. however, since then the SP and vibrations while i remained semi-conscious have been a norm for me pretty much every night, and he some times continues to wake up distressed. the other reason was my inability to separate astrally, as i saw that as a failure to progress.

although i had stopped putting effort into this in the last 6 months, yet i have been aware of ceaseless activity in my forehead/3rd eye region ever since. the sense of touch and pressure in that area is there every day. every once in a fortnight or so, it gets real strong, which is how i know i will have very strong vibrations that night. they do come, and it feels almost as if i am sitting inside an engine. pulsating, high-pitched, engine like sounds & waves. but eventually they subside and everything goes quiet, i am more awake. nothing much happens after the vibrations, where once i used to think they might lead to separation. but i dont seem to be able to get to that point.

yesterday night, i went to sleep as usual. some time later, i woke up to realize .. that my legs and torso were floating in the air, while my head still seemed pinned to the spot my head physically was when i slept. for some reason it could not dislodge/separate. the first thing i did was ensure i was awake and it was real ... and it felt so real that i ended up convinced in my dream that it was not a dream.

around this time, all kinds of strange things started. i found myself in a place i had no recollection of now, but which i tangibly felt to be .. negative. i dont know how else to put it. i heard two separate songs being sung. both of them were celebrating my arrival, but not in a good way. it was almost as if a group of demon-spawns were celebrating i had arrived, as if a prey had arrived. i did not see them, just heard the songs and was aware of their presence.
i also saw my wife, or a version of her which appeared .. corrupt! with a horn on her head !! less human somehow.
all kinds of strange negative things kept happening, but i did wake-up eventually because my son had started to wail and cry in his sleep, and it woke me. he had been sleeping very well of late, but not this night. he remained disturbed the rest of the night. upon waking, i could not believe it was a dream since it felt so very real - within that dream or episode. it was tangible..touchable..i could feel the temperature and the drafts in it !

in the afternoon, after returning from work, i was speaking to my wife. she is a very sound sleeper, always has good dreams, and rarely if ever a bad one. I had not mentioned my dream to her, when all of a sudden, she exclaimed she had the strangest night yesterday with the strangest dreams. distressed women, distress all around, people in pain, anguish.

how could all 3 of us experience the same thing at the same time?
what was that place, that state or that realm? am i reading too much into what i understood to be a celebration of my arrival by those voices/creatures?

if any of you have some advice on this experience, i would be grateful. thanks for bearing with me.

[Kzaal]

Incredible experience, this is the unquestionable proof that something greater exist.
What I mean by that is, the fact that it affects everyone around you.
I'm sure I'm not just speaking for myself when everyone around always feel those vibrations if you're attempting to project next to somebody.
Theses people will always feel those vibrations/energy that you transmit to them while you attempt AP. And this is one of the revelations that it is real! What you experience, they can experience too!
Something more powerful, and greater than what they ever experienced. The only problem is that theses vibrations are always taken as a negative side when being transmitted to others(they will feel bad[or agitated in the case of your child]).
It is one of the most annoying state of the AP because it disturbs them and then distract you from your attempt.
Have you noticed that as soon as you stop, the agitation is reduced until everything is back to normal?
This is indeed a challenge that everyone AP'ing must go through because our energy has a weight to it and is really hard to control where it goes while AP'ing.

Same goes with animals, when I attempt my AP, my cat would wake up even if he's in the living room and would try to wake me up by pushing on my door with his head or by calling me.
Even parents can wake up and all of a sudden feel like they need to eat something or make some noise subconsciously in order to try to wake you up. The vibrations/energy is so powerful that they feel danger subconsciously.

I love those experience because it empowers me by telling me that this stuff is for REAL!

I still haven't figured out a way to suppress the energy felt by my surroundings and would like to learn it but I still success once in a while to not get distracted by those.

If anyone has an answer for me and richter13 we would really appreciate I think.

[EscapeVelocity]

I will second what Kzaal is telling you about the energy you are working with. People and animals within close physical proximity will unconsciously react to the energetic activity of a projector. I'm not sure what can be done other than to increase the distance.

The dream you had where your legs and torso were floating in the air; this was a projection, at least a partial separation. What you are describing is the fairly common path that early projectors take: energetic activity with exit sensations but with no exit, followed often by one or more unexpected partial separations, followed eventually by a complete separation.

The other thing you are experiencing is An effect of Sleep Paralysis and/or partial separation and what I consider a type of energetic feedback. When you have shifted your focus into your energetic 'body' (you did this, suspected it for a moment, but did not fully realize it), early projectors often encounter this feedback problem which is a function of being too close to your physical body. It's like the feedback howl you get when a microphone is too close to its amplifier/speaker. In the case of a projector, this feedback causes a number of issues: false feelings of fear, dread and pure Evil, visual distortions and hallucinations, demonic and distracting noises, etc...
The slightest fear will become magnified and reflected back at you and will escalate and spiral out of control; most of us have experienced it and we know how terrifying it can feel. Some consider this a kind of test, a Fear Test, to see if you have the resolve to go forward; in the Theosophical tradition it was known as the Dweller on the Threshold. Personally, I think all the noises, creepy feelings, voices, visuals...all this material is dredged up from within your personal subconscious; maybe there's some archetypal symbology as well. Even when you get your fear under control, this mechanism will, from time to time, take a crack at you with distractions like your mother calling your name, disruptive noises like gunshots or screams or a table-saw outside your window. For me, it's gotten comical at times. In your case you were already concerned about your wife and childs' well-being and maybe there is some pre-disposition to wondering about stirring up trouble with demonic forces. So this underlying fear was manifested within your energetic awareness and you were confronted with it.

This feedback effect teaches you a big lesson and that is how important it is to get control of your emotions, starting with fear, and oftentimes sexual impulse, excitation, fascination...etc.

The key to getting this under control is to instantly recognize that you are in this state of awareness and to resist any initial thoughts of fear. It's like waking up in a junkyard and realizing a Doberman is standing over you growling...it's not easy to deal with the first few times. Solving it involves making a few realizations about you and your situation. That's the test, if it is one.

The other thing to do early on once you make a full separation is to move away from your physical body about 15 to 20 feet, which quickly minimizes the feedback effect.

For some more info, read the blue sticky on this board "Everything you ever wanted to know about Sleep Paralysis".

[richter13]

Kzaal, EV

my sincere gratitude to you both... i really appreciate the time you took to reply, and your responses. thanks once again !!

Kzaal, since i am no longer putting in conscious effort into AP/OOB/LD, these experience are dictating the rules of engagement - when they happen, how and what manifests. i have been thinking the whole day today, that the one reason i stopped was because i felt it was impacting my family. but while i have stopped, the events haven't, although they have subdued a little. the approach has not completely worked. maybe i should start again. i know very little about these things, so dont know how i can force these to be more positive or benign in how they effect those around me. i can start with the purpose, and let the method find me when the time is right. you have given me a lot of encouragement with the knowledge you have had similar experiences, thankyou.

EV, the path you described for the early projectors gave me a lot of clarity and reference points;  so did your explanation of the feedback and subconscious. thankyou !

I will spend some time reading the sticky and thinking on what to do next. not sure at all at the moment !

[floriferous]

If I can offer another concept for you to consider...

Have you done any Shamanic work? As I was reading your story my first thought was of spiritual emergence. Initially kundalini with the references to spontaneous energy surges but then that normally starts at the root chakra. When you mentioned demons and the horns etc.. I started to think possibly a spiritual emergency of the shamanic variety.

When I was training to be a meditation facilitator I read The concept of spiritual emergency by Christina and Stanislav Grof. I quote..."the core experience of the shamanic journey is a profound encounter with death and the subsequent rebirth. Initiatory dreams and visions include a descent into the underworld under the guidance of demons and ancestral spirits and exposure to unimaginable tortures..."

Not very nice you might think. The article goes on to talk of ascent to the higher regions as the second part if the journey. You go from death to rebirth

But just to be clear - this is ultimately supposed to be a positive experience just like how kundalini rising can be unpleasant initially but ultimately rewarding. Were the songs you heard of a tribal/shamanic nature?

If this resonates with how you perceived your experience I can always forward you the article

Obviously this is just one possibly among many

[richter13]

floriferous

Thanks a bunch for your time and comment!!

I am afraid i have never done or been exposed to shamanic work. I would very much like to read that article, if you could forward the link it would be most kind of you !
i am sorry if it sounds like a daft question, but is the spiritual emergence of the "shamanic" variety different to a kundalini one (if that's even a comparison). if yes, then in what way. do we choose the path to spiritual emergence or does the path choose us ( asking because as you would have deduced, i am not aware of shamanism, so i am perplexed why a spiritual emergence i experience might be of this variety if i was not even striving in its methods or mechanics).  

all i remember about the songs was that the only instrumental sounds were that of drumming & clapping . i.e. there was a beat, but nothing else apart from the voices. and there were many many voices.

if i strive in my thought in earnest, the conclusion i reach is that the only fear that can compromise me is of my family suffering in any form. nothing else.

floriferous, can i please ask one question before taking leave. are you aware of any significance attached to the number 11 and its multiples .. 22, 33 etc.