I Need Advice on the Rope Technique

[Tyler]

I don't know man but the point of rope is to apply mental pressure on your projected body. It's like asking, should i first use my left hand when pulling the robe or my right? it doesn't matter as long as you're applying pressure.

[DOA]

Even before you get to the rope tech my advice to you is to master the relaxation and trance state material.  That is the real key to obe not rope.  

As far as pulling on rope you are trying to pull your astral body out not pull a rope into you, but try everything and everyway.  When you pull look for how your body feels.  Do you feel anything like tingly or does it feel like your pulling your astral out of body?  When you feel like it is making sometype of energy movment with your pulling then concentrate on that.  Forget the body at that point and try not to refocus on it.  You will end up looking for sensations or anything differant with the body and that will keep you in.

I have had same problem with tensing muscles that means you are too into it.  Try to make it all mental.

I also read somewhere on these forums that you cant pull on rope forever most people dont have the concentration for that.  Use a mixture of techinuques like do rope for 5 min then put hands out like your praying feel them in that position then when concentrations waivers on that one go back to rope.  That gives it a good mix.

DOA

[JohnCurtis]

I'm using the Astral Dynamics method, and I believe I have the trance state mastered.  I can stay in it for up to 1.5 hours and never move a muscle.  I can also relax well.  But when I start to get unusual sensations in my body, I always find that my neck, shoulders and back have tensed up.  When I relax them, the sensations diminish or disappear.

What about counting each pull on the rope.  I find that makes it much easier to concentrate and stay focused on the act of climbing.

John

[Tyler]

SAD NEWS FRIEND

OBE is hard work.

I spent 2 month trying to achieve a wake induced OBE and still haven't had much lack.

The best advice i can give is to keep trying.

[Terry B]

Tyler,

When you get up from your relaxation/trance how do you feel? How do your muscles feel? That's because when I'm up from a projection it seems that my body seems very... very relaxed. Too much actually. When I wake up,my body seems to go numb on me, like there was not enough circulation, the body feels very sluggish and stiff. Well, I asked this because sometime when I wake up from my failed attempt, it doesn't seems like a huge deal. My muscle feels relaxed but fresh.

Also the rope method was not to be done for a long duration. RB mention this. I can't remember right now but  was it 5/10 min tops?

[Tyler]

Muslces sometime they tinkle me off.

Like last night i tried projecting, i was very tired and when i was lying relaxed my lags would just feel really wierd and unc comfortable, i couldn't help but tunr on a side and went to sleep.

For myself, i learned that successful projection requires 2 ingredients.

One is a trance state which with a bit of luck happens 1/3 of time. The other part is energy which happens by itself if i focus.

The problem i face right now is whenever i start separating i loose concetration, probably due to fright /exeitment

[dino333]

is there anyway to relax the eyelid muscles so they STAY SHUT??? I only lose my concentration when I feel myself myself start to pull out with the virbrations. My eyes flicker open! so annoying[] I was concentrating on my hands once and I nearly got ripped out in a second. It was so fast I paniced and stopped. Weird...

[goingslow]

quote:When we climb, are we supposed to feel like we are rising up from the bed? Or more like we're pulling in the rope?

Imagine you're rising up from the bed.  Not just pulling on the rope although I think its more important that You "feel" the rope than imagine you're rising.

quote:When I feel myself rising, I tend to envision myself climbing up through the room, into the attic, through the roof and into the sky. Is this okay – or should we not visualize the climbing process? Should we instead just concentrate on the tactile sensations?

Dont visualize it as in what it looks like.  I mean dont visualize your body from anotehr perspective as you climb.  I dont even think you need to visualize how far up you go.  I often waste too much mental energy trying to imagine through the ceiling and out through the roof etc.  I think the tactile sensations are more important.  I sometimes visualize the perspective I would get from a few feet up mostly because it puts your awareness a little above you.  But for me going too far up makes me lose a lot of the pulling sensations.

quote:The more realistic the climbing process feels, the harder it is to keep my physical shoulders relaxed. When I periodically return my attention back to my physical body to check it, I find my shoulders are tensed up from the effort of climbing. It helps somewhat to climb on the in-breath and relax the body on the out-breath. But is this method putting too much focus on the physical body?

This is the hardest thing to do for me.  My legs tense up while im doing the exercises.  I have not received a good method to stop this except practice.  I read RB's reply once on this and all he said was its a delicate mental balancing act.  You just have to learn to do it all mentally and train your physical body to know it doesn't need to exert itself.  

Its the same with the "third eye opening" you are doing it purely mental although its tempting to give yourself a headache by trying to focus on the physical part.  

The most important thing is to "feel" the rope.  To imagine the most coarse thick rope you can imagine and "feel" your weight against it as you pull.  imagined weight of course.  Ive only had success with rope twice and it was after sleep (very early in the morning).  But after a while you really feel the rope as if they're your real hands and then you know you have it.  ONce i had to climb all the way to the ceiling before i finally thought "no way im using my real hands".  Plus i finally remembered there was no way for me to climb up to the ceiling since there was no real rope.

Good luck.

[JohnCurtis]

I'm a novice who has lucid dreams, but I haven't had an OBE yet.  I could use some advice on the rope climbing technique.  I've got the following questions:

•  When we climb, are we supposed to feel like we are rising up from the bed?  Or more like we're pulling in the rope?
  
  
• When I feel myself rising, I tend to envision myself climbing up through the room, into the attic, through the roof and into the sky.  Is this okay – or should we not visualize the climbing process?  Should we instead just concentrate on the tactile sensations?
  
  
• The more realistic the climbing process feels, the harder it is to keep my physical shoulders relaxed.  When I periodically return my attention back to my physical body to check it, I find my shoulders are tensed up from the effort of climbing.  It helps somewhat to climb on the in-breath and relax the body on the out-breath.  But is this method putting too much focus on the physical body?
   

John