I need help....

[Mark614]

I need serious help, and would appreciate any type of advice because this is really bothering me. Before I knew what projecting even was, I must have experienced it naturally over 200 or 300 times, at least the beginning phases of it. I would feel paralyzed, not know what the hell was going on and try my hardest to snap out of it and just go to sleep. But it would keep happening.Sometimes it would happen five times a night. It would cause me to lose sleep, I didn't want this to happen, it was extremely uncomfortable and just flat out weird. My heart would beat out of my chest and skip like crazy, Anyway I started having bad dreams, really bad dreams. The earliest one I can remember was I was really drunk, and I woke up in the paralyzed state and then "strange hands" with long claws actually ripped open my chest and sucked out my "energy" and the pain was so unbelievable and terrible I blacked out. It was a good ten seconds of this. Another time I could feel my body paralyzed on my bed, yet I was standing up in my room. A demonic voice was coming out of my speakers saying something in a language other then english, and it hurt my ears, I MEAN HURT MY EARS to the point where I thought my head was going to explode. So I quickly ran to them and threw and broke the speakers. I turned around to see a backpack on my chair that wasn't there orginally so I opened it. A small being in there grappled onto me proceeded to pull me into the backpack and stole a LARGE chunk of energy from me. At this point I woke up. But this is only the beginning, strange women started to come now, sometimes in forms of girls I knew, sometimes not. They would entice me into preforming sexual acts. AS SOON as I consented, I could not break free and I could feel a large chunk of energy being sucked from my body. I literally felt like my soul was dying and the life force was being completely sucked out of me to the point of near death. This is the thing that happened the most. Countless times that I could write a whole book about. However recently I have become wise to that so it hasn't happened for a little while. They seem to have many methods for stealing energy, however. Which also is a VERY long story. I still thought this was all just "bad dreams" until I finally figured out it was AP. So whenever this feeling would come across me I would try to get out of my body, I must say that the seperation part of it is really quite discomforting. How I finally figured it out was, I felt the feeling come across me so I rolled out of my bed. I then said to myself if I'm not on the floor this is some "messed up stuff" lol. Sure enough I was still on the bed. I also saw a weird blinking "orb" like thing that seemed to be confusing my "astral senses" . Anyway sence then I have been able to walk around my house but get pulled back to my body fairly quickly. Usually when I do this there are weird things like a black cloud, or one time I walked out of my room(I thought I was awake) with my blanket "stuck to me" My blanket then tackled me and started pulling me around but I kicked it off. Somehow I thought I was still awake and went back to my body. I have had 2 or 3 journeys into the higher astral realm via lucid dreaming. The most memorable time was when I realized I was dreaming by looking at my hands, a "negative being" that was in my dream tried to tell me "No you aren't" I said "Yes I am" and flew away. I had complete control over everything that happened. I flew over the houses in my town and saw other people dreaming and acting out there dream scenarios and dream lands in their houses and I saw the "layers of the astral realm". I also noticed the RTZ or whatever and realized that it would take an incredible amount of concentration to stay there. I found it hard to control because I seemed to be bouncing all over the universe, I would look at a star, think about being there I was there for a few seconds then I would follow this cord like thing back to earth. I'm sure I would get better with pratice and would like to visit that place again. I feel like these negative beings take advantage of the fact that I don't realize I am dreaming or in AP and use it to their advantage. When I try to AP directly from going to sleep, I manage to get out a lot but feel an intense pull back to my body or I black out. Also these negative beings take a lot of energy from me I mean A LOT. I feel very very tired all of the time since this started happening and not really all that sane anymore. Believe me I have the right mind set, that I'm not even going to see these things or they are nothing etc...but they seem to come anyway. Today another weird thing happened. I got out of my body walked across my living room, I FELT MY PHYSICAL BODY DYING but tried to keep going anyway and was instantly pulled back to my body. I need serious help with this stuff, because I seem to do it naturally and fairly easily but am still quite inexperienced and these "negative beings" are really screwing up my whole life by stealing my energy and I am so tired all of the time unless I stay up for 24 hours straight then I feel "normal" again  and I need to just get rid of them or kill them.

[Mez]

now thats some serious excrement!... you've gotta remember the astral is purely thought based so your mind controls everything and your subconcious may be having a huge effect on your situation. It sounds like you've got a serious problem on your hands... the fact that you get pulled back to your body so quickly probably means you simply do not have enough energy to maintain being in the astral which seems to corespond with the feeling of physically dying... but the duration of the time be SO short seems a real worry to me ... the best advice i can give you would be to try every method of protection available to you... whether it be asking for help from your spirit guides or doing meditations where you picture a white ball of protective light surrounding you that nothing can penetrate. Its all mentally within your control to stop these negs from getting to you... something else I can suggest thats a bit more passive would be to utilise the law of attraction to the best of your advantage also... every night before you go to sleep state your intention for a safe and pleasant sleep, picture yourself waking up from that exact sleep. "I want a safe and pleasant sleep (or projection)" and give as little (perferably NO) thought to all the bad things that you dont want. Like I said earlier though research methods of protection and that should do you a world of good hopefully.

[Mez]

haha i just noticed when i read my reply that i wrote "s..h..i..t" and it turned the word into "excrement" HAHAHAHA. stupid computer.

[T.L.]

    Im really not sure what to tell you. A lot of what you are saying sounds like dream content bleeding into your projections. One thing that a lot of people haven't thought about is about the ways in which our thoughts impact us, especially in the projection state. Thoughts are everything, they are action/reaction in the obe state. Also the thoughts you have affect the level at which you are vibrating. It is in my experience the more physical kind of thoughts you have the closer to the physical you will vibrate, the more negative the lower the vibration, etc.. Not only does thoughts affect vibration but you also subconsciously create that which you fear. The subconscious can not tell neg. thoughts or positive desires apart, so it creates whatever it believes you want. As a matter of fact it cant tell what you dont or do want apart, it only creates what is on your mind.
     I believe that for you to learn control of your thoughts will make all the difference even if all you really want to do is go to sleep. As long as you can deter yourself from negative or stray thoughts you will be fine. Its hard work to practice thought control but it can be done, and once you are used to it, it becomes second nature. Hopefully you can move passed the negative experiences and have fun with projection. Good Luck,
                             T.L.

[Mark614]

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that "beings" that suck out all of my energy from me and leave me tired and drained are just my "negative thoughts". They seem very seperate from my thoughts or any other part of my dream. I've had normal nightmares about monsters etc that I can easily distuingish from these things. They seem to act completely seperately from anything I have ever encountered and also I can sense that they are sentient beings with thoughts seperate from mine. I am fully aware I am more powerful then them, which is why they won't face me when I am AWARE I am projecting or sleeping. I also know the plane in which they exist and when I was in the higher astral realm I could see them attacking others. I forgot to mention that but on one of the few trips I've had there I was able to see other people acting out there dream scenarios and "foreign bodies" invading their dreams as well. The problem is when I am not aware and just regular sleeping or projecting. They take advantage of that fact. I have tried many forms of thought control and meditation with some success, it seems like a process. I really think the key is to becoming a better projector. After all, it's easier to attack someone who is unaware of whats even happening, then someone who knows exactly what is going on.

[kiwibonga]

Don't be so confident that what you experienced is all "real" and that you know what's happening, that you know what "plane" you're in, etc... Your experiences are as subjective as everyone else's... There is a point in your development where you turned a suspicion into a full blown belief, and now you're letting it take over your life.

Have you ever considered that perhaps the experiences are not the cause but the product of your lack of physical energy? Depression causes you to feel tired, and it does bring on nightmares...

For example, you say that it's much easier to "possess" someone who is unaware... Yet, you've had hundreds of OBEs, and "they" have you pretty convinced and terrorized... Shouldn't it be the other way around?

[Mark614]

First off, I said I had hundreds of times where I felt the "vibrations" and was frightened of them, thinking that there was something physically wrong with me or whatever. I just wanted to have normal sleep. I never really left then, although I wish I had. Only within the past few months is when I started rolling out of my body.

Second, I took this with a scientific approach, it is far from just suspicion that I am working with here. Some days I wake up feeling fine or close to the way I used to feel when it does not happen. Also the longer I stay up, the more energy I feel I have. I am fully aware that my thoughts are very powerful in this dream world, however I feel I am capable of distinguishing what is a thought and what is not in this other "realm". Another being, whether it be negative or positive gives back a distinctive feeling of being a seperate entity, that much I know.

[Mez]

these "beings" definately are sentient beings but the point is your negative thoughts (most likely subconcious) is what is ATTRACTING them. Its Law Of Attraction 101...

[Mark614]

so the question is how to rid myself of thoughts i don't even know i have.

[T.L.]

The subconscious seems to be a huge part of ourselves in the obe state. Even though you are completely conscious and able to freely form thoughts consciously the subconscious still acts on any conscious or subconscious thoughts. Obviously your subconscious thoughts wont be known to you consciously, that is why they are called subconscious thoughts. If they were conscious to you then you would be able to rectify them. Also a thought is a real thing, obviously we do not see this in the physical existence we live day to day. But lets look at this even if its just in a dream perspective. You think of an apple and intend on one being there, your subconscious creates that apple for you. In this lucid dream you can pick it up, smell it, feel it, see it, and taste it. Even though this apple was only a thought derived from you it is as real as anything else in this dream state. What some call thoughtforms are still perceived to be entities even though it was derived from someones mind it is still seperate too from them and seem to have their own thoughts.
Some even view their own subconscious as a seperate person from theirselves. Its a crazy illogical kind of way to look at it but either way you look at it you could be right. In a lucid dream I had I wanted to hold an experiment, this was to create an "empty" person.
    Basically just a shell, I did this the person was there but had no seeming thoughts, reaction etc.. then I told myself I want my subconscious to use this vehical in which to speak and interact with me. Sure enough the person starts to move, looks at me weird. Then tells me that even though I seem sure of myself I am not as aware as I would like to think of myself as being. I told him I can see everything very clearly. I am away that my physical body is laying down in bed and that I am consciously active in my own mind, I know the name by which I live in the physical and all my past memories of that physical life, I am pretty damn sure I am aware of everything. He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a cell phone, and opens it up and hands it to me. I am confused and say hello? I hear at first what seems to be static, then I listen closer and its a drooling kind of moaning and snoaring sound. Then after a few second I repeat hello, who is this, then I hear everything Im saying through the phone as if it were some weird echo, then I realize that it is me in the physical talking in my sleep. Everything Im saying was being repeated by my physical body, it was as if my subconscious created a link to the physical in which I can observe my body making all sorts of noises, vocalizations, and sounds. Even though my subconscious acted like a seperate person it was part of me speaking to myself, even though it had its own thoughts and did unpredictable things. Regards,
                  T.L.

[Mark614]

Then how am I sucking energy from myself?

[Mark614]

I'm sorry but the manner in which these things act suggest otherwise. Perhaps you may be right and it is some kind of subconsious deal that is created within myself, and either way I will get to the bottom of it. But the transer of energy thing is really quite weird. If this astral realm is truly the otherside, then wouldn't both negative and positive beings seperate from ourselves live there?

[Mez]

yes. try ask some postive ones to keep watch over you and keep the negative ones at bay.