I need unification as the air I breathe!

[starfox]

Hello Loco,

First welcome to the club!

I can relate to you in several way. "Falling" into the astral world (studying it, reading, experimenting) hasn't helped me get a steady job either for the past 10 years or so (I'm 30 and started my spiritual awakening when I was 20, alone, at the bottom of the pit)
quite the contrary. I later learned that this unemployment period was necessary (and unconsciously chosen by myself) for the purpose of getting more in touch with my spiritual side. And, no I'm not living under a bridge or anything. Although at times things got tough, I always had a nice roof and nice food on my plate, so dont worry.

I am a bit lazy myself too, and what I learned in 10 years could have taken me a few years only if I had been more proactive, but what are a few years wasted compared to all our reincarnations anyway?

So my point is, maybe you should see that second OBE as a sign to study it, learn more about this astral world, this other reality. Besides you happened to have found this site which is another sign.
Go read Robert Bruce's stuff (from his books or from this site) and try to look out for more signs. Watch out for they can be very subtil. If more things/sign happen to you then keep going. If not then it's your choice but you'll definately wont be wasting your time. You could mentally ask your guardian angel to help you and send more signs toward you.

And do not worry about not having friends to talk to about your OBEs because I'm sure you can found a bunch on this web site

[loco]

Merci for the answer Starfox,
What signs you mean? How any sign can show me a direction? I consider it´s more a matter of will...regardless of the sign the final decision is ours anyway.I consider I had enough signs with my OBEs (?)...maybe is not what you mean,,well, what you meant?
I well appreciate this forum , but doesn´t help much to "spiritualize" my sorroundings as I posted. Maybe the problem is that I DO HAVE a steady job.Who knows.Shall all OBErs be hippyes?Go to India as I was suggested once? Difficult decisions, see what I mean?"One or the other" seems to be the point, and this got me stuck![V] See? I need some glue.
I got to this forum through the Google, is that a sign?[],excuse my cinic approach,I found humor sense to be very effective when dealing with this things...
Yours,Loco

[starfox]

Hello Loco,

No need to go to India, reading books in your spare time will already be a big step in your spiritual discoveries. It's true that steady jobs with steady lifes (routine habits) doesnt help (in the way that it is hard to avoid thinking about your job or family problems). But at least you dont have financial problems

I remember when I started discovering about angels, the day after I had a very unusual angelic experience, I went to a supermarket and just happen to see Angel Posters. I was surprised but I was confirmed that it was a sign. On special song on a radio can be a sign, a discussion with friends, or a discussion you overhear at a public place, a book, sometimes it can be an unusual meeting, someone you meet or see that look very particular to you. Signs can be subtil or they can be very obvious (like your OBE).

You need to pay attention to little things during the day. And yes, finding this site is a sign. Sometimes I do a research and find nothing interesting, and several weeks later I search google again and I find an incredibly useful address.

[DOA]

HI loco

I am not sure that starfox really understands your question.  Ill try see if I understand it more.  
I am married and have 3 boys and my wife has no idea that I attempt obe or am into that stuff.  I have tried to talk to her but she doesnt want to hear it.   So I continue to practice and work at it with no real person to talk too only these boards.  Somtimes I feel really alone with no one to talk too.  But you can live a pretty normal life and have that second life at night (OBE).  What I have learned from obe is a sense of peace, inner confidence that does help me with everyday life.  Depending on what you do you can recieve guidence with persoanl life job friends whatever.  I also have a much dimminished fear of death all from my obe explorations.  
I am no expert at this and would love to project more than I do.  For furture adventures I would like to communicate with guides more and just explore more what we are about.  Flying is always nice but to think you can go and learn anything you want anything is amazing.  
The choice is yours to continue with obe or not.  You can keep it personal and just use your own bedroom to explore the world this one or the next one.  No one needs to know.  In the end its just you who gains spirituality anyway.  


DOA

[beavis]

loco "I also have the feeling that reinforce my "OBE side" would require a change in my life, something I´m normaly lazy for."

There will be changes, but you will WANT to do them. The whole thing is fun.

"...and now comes the paradox...like a bomb...: when I would forget about it ,and keep on my daily life and feel happy and trouble free again... ANOTHER OBE OCCURS!!!!"

Thats not a paradox. Happy and trouble free are needed for OBE.

[Frère]

I'm late to this topic, but happy to find somebody who has doubts. My point of view is that people who can do OBE without effort have great interest in doing it: it's a gift, and the goal of our life on earth is also to expolre gifts to the maximum. You surely have something to do in other planes and it's a task for you, "the path is light" I think that's how we say in english "path is not heavy" anyway, What I mean is when you will be on your path, hard decisions like quitting your job and go to india will be easier, and more obvious. God will not ask you to do what you cannot do, you are not Abraham, and don't need to have 12 children (I mix the patriarchs a bit). Don't think and construct a future for your spiritual life, don't imagine all the things you will have to change in your life, but just accept the good part: OBE is fun, and if you hate your job, quitting it is just a bliss... everything will be easier if you listen to invisible inputs. on top of that, you seem to be ready, which is a great thing to. Don't refuse joy, make yourself confortable, OBE, be aware, stay on ground, and there will always be an angel to help you, and some body to let you enjoy this earthly life, they are not separate, the only separation is between some instances of society, and your human nature, and these separations are good: it's the dead limb which has been cut!

[loco]

Hello, I´m new here.
(I will try to explain with my best english...)
Five years ago or so I had my first OBE (Out of Body Experience, right?as you call it). It was a revelation that changed the way I looked at the world;a mistery was unveiled,"whaaaa ,I can fly!!!"-I thought... magic was knocking at my door! But to say it was an inflexion point is to say too much... since more than 5 yers later I can´t say my life has experimented any substantial change!Well, I´m not sure yet whether it has been something positive or not... since more than an inflexion point it has created a division in me.
Don´t worry, I´m not esquizo yet[]To put it simple, In one hand I think:"Come on man,You can fly!!!Go for it !!!" But in the other I think :"Dude,forget about it!This is messy stuff!.
I must say I normaly follow the second way of thought for several reasons:Besides the evidence of my OBEs there is nothing in my daily life that matches with this stuff.(Not even to mention my job),I have no OBE friends so far(I knew some once but ar not close anymore)to talk or help with its exploration.The ones I have are as I "was before", but I´m not feeling as close as I was to them...these OBEs have reinforced my freak side, interest seem to fade...And I don´t like it.I also have the feeling that reinforce my "OBE side" would require a change in my life, something I´m normaly lazy for.
Hence, my almost nule evolution in my OBE(I won´t enter into detais in this post if you don´t mind)reinforces at the same time my feel that this is not something to care much about,or that is nothing serious, as daily life seems to be(?!)and just try to  forget about it...and now comes the paradox...like a bomb...: when I would forget about it ,and keep on my daily life and feel happy and trouble free again... ANOTHER OBE OCCURS!!!!
All this hassle and unease feel has led me here looking for some answers...so here I am.
Do you have some glue left for me? So I can put these two parts of my life together?[]
Thanks and greetings to all  of you.