Im new and need help

[cpt. picard]

If its "pretty documented" why don't you provide some sources instead of leaving the thread with more of the same statements. If the brainwaves are different, all you've demonstrated is that the brainwaves are pretty useless overall when dealing with astral projection. I don't really care what other projectors here have figured out, all they appear to have figured out is how to overcomplicate theyre own projection models and regress into mystical versions of the art. Apparently what you and many other people at this site have forgotten, is that some us think critically and don't buy into every crazy theory that you guys throw around, then its us who gets insulted for disagreeing (if you scroll up). All I'm saying is don't get mad at us when you're throwing around theories and refusing to provide evidence, yet getting heated that some of us don't believe you.

[cpt. picard]

Alpha waves

Alpha waves are any of the electrical waves from the parietal and occipital regions of the brain, having frequencies from 8 to 12 hertz (cycles per second). Some scientists consider the range 8–13 Hz and are most usual when we are mentally alert, calm and relaxed, or when day-dreaming. Alpha waves are a sign of relaxation, as they indicate a lack of sensory stimulation in a conscious person.

Theta waves

Theta waves occur when we are mentally drowsy and unfocused, during deep calmness, most daydreaming, relaxation or tranquility, as for example we make the transitions from drowsiness to sleep or from sleep to the waking state. The frequency of theta waves is between 4–7 Hz (cycles per second) though some researchers regard theta to be 5 to 8 cps.

In brain wave frequencies, theta is the frequency range where drowsiness, unconsciousness, dreaming states and deep tranquility happen. Most daydreaming occurs while in the theta range. It is normally a very positive mental state and prolonged states of the theta brain wave frequency while conscious can be extremely productive and a time of very meaningful/creative mental activity.

With practice, meditation can also lower a person's brain wave frequency to theta while allowing the meditator to remain conscious.

CFTraveler, you are saying sleep paralysis is alpha (normal counciousness, relaxation) whereas deep trance is theta (drowsy, dream states)? I don't know about but anyone else but I am very councious during paralysis and projections. Is it possible that paralysis/trance is the alpha state you mentioned, and after the actual projection you have transtioned to theta? Seriously, I just want someone to explain this instead of hurling condensending comments, you guys have not demonstrated any reason to believe you by simply stating the different brain wave frequencies.

[personalreality]

thanks personalreality. I was considering buying journey out of the body by robert monroe as well as astral dynamics by robert bruce. Do u think these two books are worth starting out on or are their better choices?

Astral Dynamics is a little heady for a first read, though it has some of the best technical/practical information available.  I should tell you that my experience with AD was good and bad.  RB's work helped me develop a lot of the skills that I use in projection now (like energy work and trance induction) but his techniques held me back for a long time because they kept my mind too involved.

AD is still one of the best books out there.

Monroe's books are pretty much useless in a practical sense.  They have good info and they're definitely a must-read as a projector to see some good first hand experience.  But the best Monroe purchase is definitely the hemi-sync series (either the Journeys Out of Body Companion Set or the Big Set). 

I would buy Astral Dynamics and "Out of Body Experiences: How to Have them and What to Expect" by Robert Peterson.

Also, my first AP book was called "Out of Body Experiences and the Nature of Reality" by the somewhat unknown John Magus.  It was a good introductory book.  I might also recommend the Carlos Castaneda series.  They aren't specifically related to OBE, but they give you a lot of insight into altered states of consciousness from a shamanic perspective.  I mention them because the knowledge I gained from reading them still has a big influence on how i view the astral landscape relative to the physical.

[S_man_9]

much appreciated 

[CFTraveler]

CFTraveler, you are saying sleep paralysis is alpha (normal counciousness, relaxation) whereas deep trance is theta (drowsy, dream states)?

Although theta is the in-between state, drowsy and conscious is a good way to describe the beginning of theta- but what I'm talking about is the 'end' of theta, in which you are conscious and aware, but your body has begun to go to sleep.  In other words, going 'in'.

I don't know about but anyone else but I am very councious during paralysis and projections. Is it possible that paralysis/trance is the alpha state you mentioned,

Sleep paralysis typically happens after you have gone to sleep- you are already in delta (deep sleep) and then experience an alpha intrusion- that is, an alpha spike where delta 'should' be- and you wake before your body does.  Which is why sleep paralysis has those other symptoms (hag, panic, etc.).
And yes, you can transition into delta and project from there- the thing is to fight the other symptoms you are having.  Which is why I keep saying that it's not the optimal state to project.  It's possible, I have done it, but it was difficult and not fun.

[cpt. picard]

I see I see. Anyways, would a spontaneous lucid dream then be closer to trance or sleep paralysis? Would it be like the alpha spike, waking you up before your body has woken up (i often have lucid dreams a few minutes before waking up), but if so, then why does it feel more like a traditional astral state. Anywho, if what you say is true, all I have to say is I must be very lucky not to have experienced anything bad in sleep paralysis before, I'm not lying when I say I can literally tell no difference between the states. I look forward to your thoughts on this.

[CFTraveler]

I see I see. Anyways, would a spontaneous lucid dream then be closer to trance or sleep paralysis? Would it be like the alpha spike, waking you up before your body has woken up (i often have lucid dreams a few minutes before waking up), but if so, then why does it feel more like a traditional astral state. Anywho, if what you say is true, all I have to say is I must be very lucky not to have experienced anything bad in sleep paralysis before, I'm not lying when I say I can literally tell no difference between the states. I look forward to your thoughts on this.

Some people never experience the negative effects- and that is awesome.  If I were going to guess, you are in trance and have no trouble moving in and out of the astral state.
One thing I can say about the fear of SP is that it is visceral- there is no 'thinking' involved.  It's as if someone had turned on the 'fear' button, and you have to work through it.  Maybe you don't have the sleep problems that most people who get SP do- you just transition well and maintain focus.

And I think that a spontaneous lucid dream (as measured by scientists) is technically the alpha intrusion- but I don't think enough experimentation has been done to demonstrate that this is true all the time.

[zorgblar]

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[Selea]

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