Some people seem to have clear minds, having good physiques from birth, and probably from living healthy lives. These are the people that have no problems with Phasing. Most of us are not like these people, we have blocked chakras, lack of concentration, and minds full of thoughts when trying to 'notice' and then we easily fall asleep.
As far as I know the Phasing method doesn't address the cleansing and stimulation of chakras, the raising of psychic energy or the storage of energy, the clearing of the mind. For these reasons I was attracted to Robert Bruce's methods. He deals with all of these necessary issues comprehensively, one by one, in a period of ninety days.
Whereas the phasing tutorials starts and ends with 'looking at the back of your eyelids' expecting to astral travel.
This is the affirmation I am saying at present - 'I am sensitive to the energies that move through my body. I remained tuned to the subtle shifts in awareness and the feeling and effects on my body. Everyday the conduits through which my energy flows grow clearer, cleaner and brighter.
One day (soon?) there will come a time when I too will look into the blackness of my closed eyelids and see the light!
Cheers, djed :-D
Quote from: djed on April 13, 2011, 03:47:41
Some people seem to have clear minds, having good physiques from birth, and probably from living healthy lives. These are the people that have no problems with Phasing. Most of us are not like these people, we have blocked chakras, lack of concentration, and minds full of thoughts when trying to 'notice' and then we easily fall asleep.
As far as I know the Phasing method doesn't address the cleansing and stimulation of chakras, the raising of psychic energy or the storage of energy, the clearing of the mind. For these reasons I was attracted to Robert Bruce's methods. He deals with all of these necessary issues comprehensively, one by one, in a period of ninety days.
Whereas the phasing tutorials starts and ends with 'looking at the back of your eyelids' expecting to astral travel.
This is the affirmation I am saying at present - 'I am sensitive to the energies that move through my body. I remained tuned to the subtle shifts in awareness and the feeling and effects on my body. Everyday the conduits through which my energy flows grow clearer, cleaner and brighter.
One day (soon?) there will come a time when I too will look into the blackness of my closed eyelids and see the light!
Cheers, djed :-D
I'll be honest, I tried and tried OBE techniques and even though I had some moderate success I would say phasing was by far the easiest and fastest way for me to enter an astral projection. I don't consider myself to be out of the norm compared to an average individual as far as having a healthy diet, or great physique. I think it is a mindset that triggers certain situations, I read and read and thought about this topic for sometime and I think that made it happen, I never dealt with chakras or energy. In my personal opinion sometimes we make it too complicated where we spend too much effort on things that are simple. Close our eyes, focus on the darkness, after a while patterns start to emerge, then a twitch, something is about to happen, and next is a phasing. It was that simple for me within ten minutes. Maybe the cleansing and the chakras does work for some people but again I think it's a mindset and the strong desire to do it.
Take care
Quote from: djed on April 13, 2011, 03:47:41
Some people seem to have clear minds, having good physiques from birth, and probably from living healthy lives. These are the people that have no problems with Phasing. Most of us are not like these people, we have blocked chakras, lack of concentration, and minds full of thoughts when trying to ‘notice’ and then we easily fall asleep.
As far as I know the Phasing method doesn’t address the cleansing and stimulation of chakras, the raising of psychic energy or the storage of energy, the clearing of the mind. For these reasons I was attracted to Robert Bruce’s methods. He deals with all of these necessary issues comprehensively, one by one, in a period of ninety days.
Whereas the phasing tutorials starts and ends with ‘looking at the back of your eyelids’ expecting to astral travel.
This is the affirmation I am saying at present - 'I am sensitive to the energies that move through my body. I remained tuned to the subtle shifts in awareness and the feeling and effects on my body. Everyday the conduits through which my energy flows grow clearer, cleaner and brighter.
One day (soon?) there will come a time when I too will look into the blackness of my closed eyelids and see the light!
Cheers, djed :-D
Well, to be honest... those things are only an issue if you believe them to be an issue. You don't need to cleanse anything or unblock anything. The only thing on that list that might be an issue in regards to phasing (or any method for that matter) is a lack of concentration.
Robert Bruce's methods and ideas are his own and they work well for him within the
framework of his belief system, unfortunately, they're also what he teaches, which then spreads those beliefs to other people. That's not to say that
you need to adopt those ideas... although since you believe that they're "necessary", then yes, you will need to do all the stuff that you believe you'll need to do in order to project. However, the reality is that many people manage to project just fine without worrying about any of those particular esoteric ideas such as chakras or raising your energy.
Regardless of the method you're using, they all boil down to a single thing: Basic control of your own mind.
And obviously Phasing is more than just "'looking at the back of your eyelids’ expecting to astral travel". I invite you to read Blis' perspective on it: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/my_approach_to_phasing-t33692.0.html
I say do what works. If Bruce's energy work has a positive effect on your life, why not do it? The worst that can happen is you clear blockages, increase energy and emotion, and improve your ability to astral project and eventually see for yourself if it was worth it or not. It's a great way to improve and shift awareness, and takes concentration, which is much needed with AP. I've used some of his methods for years and continue to do so. It's sort of insulting when someone tells you that you're not really benefiting from it and that it's just your naive beliefs.
If you feel the need to knock Bruce's methods, maybe it's your mindset and beliefs that are the problem, not Bruce's.
Thanks xanth for directing me to blis's post, which I find really helpful. I am not stuck on any 'mindset' willing to tryout anything to get 'There' lol.
and thanks Stookie for you affirmation of Bruce's hardwork and contribution to this field.
Cheers, djed :-)
I've said it before and I'll say it again- everyone is different and different things work for different people. I believe Robert's techniques are not just for projecting- energy work has benefits (or rather, has benefited me personally) in ways other than 'just' projecting, but that is another post.
I find that phasing works better for visually oriented people or people with a lot of experience with conventional OBE, and Robert's method work better for tactile people (like me) and people who want to have a more immersive experience when they phase.
That's just my opinion and my observation.
I think originally RB came up with his method for blind people or people who were unable to visualize. There are a lot of people who have trouble with visualization so it's good that he found a way to help so many people. As for beliefs, there are many people who don't even realize they have beliefs that hold them back & energy work can help break up this hold that prevents change. Excessive habits can also cause blockages or cause the energy to not flow in the perfect directions. It has been researched & documented that energy work such as tai chi and qigong have helped cure people. Anyone who does energywork for a long time knows how powerful it is.
I'm forced to agree with mcdwg and say i was in the same boat as him. I was introduced into energy work at an early age, Practicing Kung-fu that was heavy into Qigong at the age of 13 (24 now) and when i had my first spontaneous OBE, and spiked my interest, my first thought was to somehow interpret what i know of Energy, to somehow aid my process.
In the 4-5 years i practiced heavily, its fair to say i had more spontaneous unexpected experiences FAR more often, then i did those that were deliberately planned and practiced....Then what happens?.......I try phasing for the first time, and in 3 days, have had 2 mind-blowing experiences....
From what i personally find?....Its very easy to look at the concept of OBE as a whole, and naturally think of it as a complex and complicating process. But as soon as i gave up, and tried the " hang on and let it happen, just go along with the ride " approach, i find that its as if you are given access to a muscle, or an instinct that already knows what to do naturally.
Relax and just let it happen......Trust yourself that you'll know what to do........Because, you do!!..
~Ryan
I think Robert Bruce wants desperately to be the new Monroe.
That said, most of his work is quite good, albeit quite heavy on the mysticism (which doesn't really bother me, I like mysticism).
I echo Stookie on this one. Whatever works for you is what you should do. I wouldn't have achieved conscious exit without what I learned from RB. Though I wouldn't have gotten out with ONLY RB either.
For some time now I had thought that my throat chakra was unbalanced and blocked. So, during the preparation routine, I intended to do a full ten minute stimulation of the throat center. After about five minutes I coughed violently three times in quick succession. Immediately the stimulation eased. I moved on to the brow and found that the mind process of stimulation felt much easier, and tried it on other centers. I was moving rapidly up and down the body continuing with full body bounce and it felt much freer all over. I began trance meditation and vibration soon started in my feet and legs and continued up the body further than I have felt since doing this course. I did not reach exit but it felt good all over and has left me with the feeling that projection is not far away.
Keep it coming...
For Franks phasing method it does not involve energy work because he didnt seem to need it to aid his experiences. Like Stookie says do what works for you.
Recently I have reread the Gateway Experience guidance manual and found interesting stuff on what it calls high energy states.
"Your REBAL is an intensification of your own energy, helping to create a high energy state* within and around you. Operating on a principle of resonance, in accordance with the Gateway Affirmation...• For the purposes of this Manual, high energy state refers to an enhanced state of awareness that embraces methods of perception not ordinarily used in physical, waking consciousness. While in a high energy state, one has available a broader range of perceptions with which to solve problems, develop creativity, obtain guidance, or simply enjoy greater awareness of, and interaction with, one's internal and external reality. .."
I think I have always underestimated the importance of this tool. Kepple never used it in his practice (I guess he never needed to). As a result I think a lot of people have followed him to the letter which is not a goodf approach. Personally I have to say since putting more effort into, firstly, my resonant tuning, and then my REBAL I am experiencing more in the various focus states.
Floriferous, would you do me a favor? I have read about the REBAL method (I have read about it, but) the instructions on how to do it seems to have been widely interpreted, or at least the versions I've seen.
Could you describe exactly how to do it? I'd appreciate it.
I assume you are not familiar with Gateway Wave I.
The resonant tuning is the first step which I've come to learn is very important. Not only does it raise energy but it also quietens the mind and is supposed to create a resonance with your second body (I think this last point is correct more or less). For the resonant tuning on the deep in breath you imagine you are drawing energy into your body from all parts of your body and moving it up to your head. On the out breath (which TMI state that it is important you let out an OMM noise(the resonant bit)) you imagine you are expelling any stale, negative energy through your mouth. After doing this for a while you form your REBAL....
...for this you imagine the energy that you have stored in your head comes out the top like a fountain around your body wrapping round as it falls then re-enters through your feet continuing up to the head. This process in cyclical and you repeat this for several minutes. However, this is the technique for when you first activate your REBAL. On Wave I Bob gives you an audio cue to activate your REBAL in one easy step which is to inhale, imagine the number 10 in a bubble, exhale and blow the bubble out and your REBAL will then form.
You are encouraged not only to create your REBAL during an exercise but during waking life to see what patterns you create. You may find certain people are drawn to you. For example I have been fashioning my REBAL this week before going to work. On my lunch break I go for a walk and keep finding cats come up to me to play. Either a weird coincidence that so many have come up to me or I am attracting them. I haven;t decided either way yet but this REBAL has got me interested in it.
Quote from: floriferous on April 16, 2011, 13:35:50
I assume you are not familiar with Gateway Wave I.
You assume correctly. I never got the Gateway set, and even though I read about the things you could do with it, (and what it's for), the instructions always seemed to evade me.
Thanks, Floriferous.
Gateway wave series is from the Monroe Institute: they are a series on cd of hemisync recordings.
Personally, being a guitar musician, I can't stand listening to audio sounds that are not music.
I would rather keep to a natural method of preparation to astral project.
Never-the-less, saying that, they seem to be very comprehensive instruction on self improvement as well as development in the abilty to astral project.
:-)
Quote from: djed on April 17, 2011, 03:23:19
I can't stand listening to audio sounds that are not music.
You could always try metamusic from the monroe institute then.
Nah Flori, I am a real classical buff, I have an electronic keyboard I seldom play except for accompaniment to my jazz music. I like all the wooden instruments, hehe
cheers, djed :-D