I hate relaxing...

[Parmenion]

Hi Nerezza,

I almost allways use self-hypnosis for relaxing the body prior to AP attempts. When you get the hang of it ,it is incredibly quick and effective. A little stretch ~ count down 5 through 1 with a few suggestions in between~ and that's it. I haven't been working with trance much as I find that it will often occur during the attempt itself. I have to say, I do find self hypnosis very effective and was meaning to look into it a little further so thanks for the link.
I'm nearly sure I have a couple of word documents lying around here somewhere on hypnosis.I'd be glad to share if you want them.

Take care

Parmenion

[Nerezza]

I'm nearly sure I have a couple of word documents lying around here somewhere on hypnosis.I'd be glad to share if you want them.

Please do, that would be great.

I'm going to try and master this, since the other way is useless to me. Thank God I can move on to more interesting things and not worry about getting into trance. This has reignited my desire to project.

[Noxerus]

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[Nerezza]

quote:
Are you talking about the now-famous 3D blackness?

What do you mean by 3d blackness?

And your welcome. I had dismissed hypnosis for a long time but it really has helped me.

[Noxerus]

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[Nerezza]

Once you acheieve the 3D blackness state, you notice that the blackness has depth, and is not flat like before.

Pretty much it. It surprised me when it happened, everything got darker but more 3d.

[Squeek]

I'm with you.  Relaxing never seems to work.  Either I'm never totally relax, or i'm too relaxed and I fall asleep.  I'm gonna go to that site sometime today maybe.

[Noxerus]

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[Squeek]

I'm trying to memorize it all...

The eye movement steps seem to be highly effective; I already tested it out.  I'm sure I can get this by tonight or tomorrow night...

~Squeek

[Nerezza]

I did not memorize the script to the word, just the flow it was supposed to take.

But I will make my own personal script because my last attempts were a bit messy since I had never experienced such a deep trance before and I got a little messed up in my wording at some points.

For example, I sometimes told myself that my body was falling asleep, which apparently shouldn't be said.

One thing I will try tonight. During the descending of the elevator, I will try and use body awareness to simulate the effect. Hopefully it will work.

[Squeek]

I tried again last night and, of course, I fell asleep in the middle of it. I got pretty far in i guess, but I always fall asleep.  In the article, he states that doing this, even if you fall asleep, is a good thing as you will wake up really good off.  Well, call me crazy, but the first time I did this, I went through the entire day feeling like I had fleas. I was itching everywhere.  And today, at about 4 am, I got a "charlie horse" (I wish there was a better name for that) in my calf muscle and it STILL HURTS like MAD.  

Thank goodness for my music!

~Squeek

[Grenade01]

Weird

All I do to obe is listen to my breathing

Eventually I get the vibes..assuming nothing breaks me out of it...they just keep increasing till I eventually lift out

I literally don't do anything but listen to my breath... to obe
=)

although doing energy work before/during/whenever always seems to produce interesting results if im in a deep enough trance

[Nerezza]

I havn't tried much lately do to job interviews and falling asleep as soon as I lie down, but I will try tonight.

I also tried listening to my breathing, but even then I started to talk and ask myself if it was working.

[Parmenion]

Attachment: Hypnotism.pdf 35262 bytes




Document: mental imagery.doc 26880 bytes


~Parmenion~

[Squeek]

The PDF didn't do much in the self-help that we require, but still an interesting thing to read.  If you want more information on self-hypnosis, then the word document is the file for you (and me )

Thanks for finding those for us Parmenion.

~Squeek

[Parmenion]

No problem at all []

[hypnotist]

Hello every one,

Finnally some people are using hypnosis.  Im an Advanced Certified Hypnotist and I have some scripts that can put you into a very deep trans state.

Once your in that state you can give yourself a (KEY WORD) and as soon as you think it in your mind you will go back into that same deep relax state you where in befor.

Then you can change the key word to another word like "PROJECT" and you will again instantly go into trans and AP.

So Speak slow and softly but not a whisper, and in a monotone voice.
When you see (...) in the sentences pause for 4 slow sconds then continue to read aloud the script into a taperecorder. So here it is below this line.
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                            THERAPEUTIC
                            RELAXATION

PROGRESSIVE RELAXATION
FOR THERAPY


I would like you to get into your most comfortable position and if you will pretend that you are a rag doll, we will begin ...

"Now I want you to close your eyes and keep them closed until again I tell you to open them ... Take a deep breath, filling your lungs up completely ... Once your lungs are full, let that breath out slowly ... Good ... Now I want you to take another deep breath, once again filling your lungs up completely, and then let that breath out, slowly ... Very good ... Now I want you to take one more very deep breath, filling your lower and upper lungs, and this time I want you to hold that breath ... Now, let that breath out very slowly and already you can feel your body beginning to relax" ...

"Just let that wonderful, comfortable feeling of relaxation flow all the way down to your feet ... Feel your feet becoming comfortable and very relaxed ... If you don't feel your feet right away, don't worry about it for it will gradually catch up to you ... Now let that wonderful, comfortable feeling of relaxation flow from your feet right up into your ankles ... From your ankles up all the large and small muscles of your legs and into your knees ... From your knees up all the large and small muscles of your thighs ... into your hips ... From your hips into your abdomen, and with each and every breath that you exhale, I want you to allow your body to relax even deeper into this wonderful, comfortable relaxed state" ...

"Now let this wonderful feeling of relaxation flow right on up into your back ... Just let all those large and small muscles of your back relax ... As it flows up into your shoulders ... over your shoulders ... And down deep into your chest ... Such a wonderful, beautiful feeling, as it flows down all the large and small muscles of your arms to your elbows ... From your elbows on down to your wrists ... Into your hands ... And all the way out to the very tips of your fingers ... And with each and every breath that you exhale you can feel the muscles in your body relaxing deeper and deeper into this wonderful, comfortable relaxed state" ...

"Now let this beautiful feeling of relaxation flow right up into your neck ... Just feel all these large and small muscles of your neck relaxing ... As it flows up into your head ... Over your head and down into your brow ... All the muscles around your eyes relax .... All the muscles of your eyes relax ... All the muscles of your cheeks ... All the muscles of your chin relax ... And if you have your teeth clenched, just unclench your teeth and all your body will relax much more ... Let your jaw sag and all of your body muscles will go loose and limp ... Just as if you were a rag doll ... As you keep going deeper and deeper into this wonderful relaxed state ... Where you have pleasant, contented thoughts going though your mind and wonderful, marvelous feelings flowing all through your whole body" ...

"You just keep on going deeper and deeper as all the sounds around you keep you going deeper ... Any sound that you may hear will send you deeper ... The sound of my voice drives you deeper ... So as I keep on talking you keep on relaxing ... Deeper and deeper into this beautiful state of relaxation ... And your mind relaxes as your body relaxes ... And with each and every breath you exhale, your body relaxes deeper ... The beat of your hear keeps you going deeper ... With each thought that you think, you go deeper ... Any sensation that you experience will drive you even deeper into this wonderful, comfortable relaxed state ... So allow your mind to guide you deeper" ...

"As I count from one down to three I want you to allow the muscles in your body to relax deeper with each and every number that I say ... One ... Going deeper and deeper ... Two ... Going loose and limp ... Three ... You're going very deep and comfortable ... You're going very deep and comfortable ... Your whole body is giving in, letting go, becoming loose and limp, limp as a rag doll ... as you go deeper and deeper ... Now all of your organs are functioning perfectly ... All your glands are functioning perfectly ... All your body tissues are rejuvenating in this wonderful, comfortable, relaxed state" ...

"You now have complete control of all the nerves in your body ... Complete control of your whole nervous system ... Your blood flows freely throughout your body, carrying fresh new oxygen to all parts of your body ... To every minute part
of you, as your blood pressure remains normal and steady ... And your body keeps on relaxing deeper and deeper into this beautiful state ... Feel your muscles going loose and limp ... Feel your nerves becoming clam ... Your mind becoming passive, clear .... Allow your mind to guide you deeper, deeper into this beautiful, relaxed and comfortable state ..."

"As I count again, but this time I will count from one down to five ... And with each and every number I say you will drift deeper, and by the time that I say five you will have doubled the relaxation you now have throughout your whole body ... And as your body relaxes, your mind will relax ... One ... Your relaxation is starting to double ... Two ... Your relaxation is doubling more and more ... Three ... You're becoming very comfortable and relaxed ... Four ... Your relaxation has almost doubled ... Five ... Your relaxation has doubled completely now, throughout your whole body" ...

"You feel wonderful, relaxed and you keep going deeper with each breath you exhale ... Feel the muscles loose and limp ... Feel the nerves calm ... The mind passive, clear ... Just feel your organs functioning perfectly ... Feel your glands functioning perfectly ... Feel your body tissues rejuvenating in this relaxed state, as you go deeper and deeper ... And I want you to go deeper, much deeper ... So again I will count from one down to five and with each and every number I say, you will allow your body to relax down deeper, and your mind will relax as your body is relaxed, and by the time I say five, your body will have tripled its relaxation" ...

"One ... Your relaxation is starting to triple ... Two ... Your mind is relaxed, your body is relaxed ... Three ... You're going very deep and comfortable ... Four ... You feel so relaxed, you don't care what time it is or what day it is ... Five ... Your relaxation has now tripled completely throughout your entire body ... You feel wonderful, as I guide you deeper into this beautiful, relaxed state, where your mind and body are now working together in perfect balance ... Feel your muscles loose and limp ... Feel your nerves calm ... Feel your tissues rejuvenating ...Feel your blood flowing freely, carrying fresh new oxygen to all parts of your body ... Your mind is passive, clear ... Allow your mind to guide you deeper into this deep relaxed state" ...

"You find now that you feel so good, so comfortable, so relaxed that you don't care what day it is, what time it is, for time itself no longer exists for you ... Because you feel so good that all you care about is how good you feel, how relaxed you feel, as you go deeper ... So deep that your whole body has taken on a wonderful, comfortable, heavy feeling ... For your arms and legs feel so heavy, so comfortable and so very relaxed that you don't care to lift your arms or your legs because you are so relaxed that you don't feel like moving any part of your body ... Never the less, I just want you to try to lift your left leg" ...

"OK, stop trying and let your leg relax ... And you find that your right leg feels just as heavy, just as comfortable as left leg ... I just want you to try to lift your right leg ... OK, stop trying and let your leg relax ... Now you find that same wonderful, comfortable, heavy feeling in your arms ... for your arms feel so very heavy, so very comfortable, and so very relaxed ... Nevertheless I just want you to try to lift your right arm ...OK, stop trying and let your arm relax ... it feels so much better to let it relax right where it is ... Now you find that your left arm is just as heavy, just as comfortable as your right arm ... I just want you to try to lift your left arm ... OK, stop trying and let your whole body relax, as you go deeper and deeper into this wonderful relaxed state, just as if your were a rag doll ... loose, limp, and relaxed" ...

"Now there is even a deeper state of relaxation for you to enjoy than you are experiencing right now ... A much deeper level, and if you like, I will help you to this deeper level ... To reach this deeper level of relaxation you must go down three floors ... Will call them ... 'A' .... 'B' ... and ... 'C' ... Now to reach 'A' you just double the present state of relaxation that you are now experiencing, and once you  have doubled it, I want you to say the letter 'A' very plainly.  It only takes a few seconds ... Very good" ...

"Now I want you to go to floor 'B' ... So to reach 'B' you must go twice as deep as you did for floor 'A' ... So double your relaxation again, then try to say 'B' and if you have truly doubled your relaxation you will find it very difficult to move your lips to form the letter 'B'.  Again, it will only take a few seconds ... Very good ...

"Now I want you to really give in to relaxation ... Just let go completely ... Going down now to floor 'C'" ...
To reach floor 'C' you must go twice as deep as you did for floor 'B' ... So now double your relaxation one more time ... Once you have doubled it and you are sure that it is doubled, I want you to try your utmost to say the letter 'C', and if you have truly doubled your relaxation, you will find that you won't be able to move your lips to say 'C'.  It only takes a few seconds" ...

"Very good ... Deeper and deeper relaxed ... Deeper, much deeper ... Letting to, loose and limp just like a rag doll ... As you drift through this wonderful relaxed state ... Going deeper with each breath you exhale ... Now I am going to count from one down to ten ... As I count from one down to ten, I want you to imagine, to visualize, to picture or just pretend that you are standing at the top of a stairway, with ten steps leading to the basement of relaxation ... You may even notice the blue sky above everything looking so soft and calm ... Peaceful and pleasant" ...

"Now with each number that I say ... I want you to pretend that you take a step down the stairway ... A step deeper into relaxation ... And with each step that you take you will also find that, as your body relaxes, your mind relaxes ... And with each and every step that you take, your body will double its relaxation that it has at that time ... So let's take the first step and" ...

"One ... Your mind relaxes as your body relaxes, and your body doubles the relaxation that it has at this very moment ... Two ... Your mind relaxes and your body doubles its relaxation again ... Three ... Your mind relaxes ... Four ... As your body relaxes ... Five ... Another step down into relaxation, as your body again doubles its relaxation ... Six ... The same thing ... Seven ... Keep going deeper ... Eight ... Nine ,... And Ten ... Your mind has relaxed as your body has relaxed, and your body has doubled its relaxation many times over ... You feel so good, so comfortable, and so relaxed ... Your mind is satisfied, clear ... Your nerves are clam and you feel great ... And now I would like you to go even deeper than you are right now" ...

"So again, I will count from one down to ten and I would like you to allow your body to triple the relaxation it has with each and every number that I say ... And as your body relaxes, your mind will relax, and your body will triple the relaxation it has with each and every number I say ... So ... One ... Your mind is relaxed as your body is relaxed, and your body is tripling the relaxation it has at this very moment ... Two Conscious mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed, and the body again triples the relaxation it has at this time ... Three ... Conscious mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed, and the body triples the relaxation it has at this time ... Four ... The same thing, just keep right on going ... Five ... Six ... Seven ... Eight ... Nine ... Ten" ...

"Conscious mind completely relaxed, as the body has tripled the relaxation many times over ... You feel so relaxed that you just keep right on drifting deeper, as you allow your mind to guide you deeper and deeper into this wonderful relaxed state ... But I would like you to go much deeper than you are right now ... So, once again I will count from one to ten, and this time you will allow your body to go ten times deeper with each and every count ... And your mind will relax as your body is relaxed, and your body will relax ten times deeper with each number that I say ... And as I count, I would just like you to imagine yourself floating and drifting through a soft cloud or sparkling, pastel colors ... As you just keep on relaxing ten times deeper with each count" ...

"One ... Your mind is relaxed as your body is relaxed, and your body is relaxing ten times deeper ... Two ... Your conscious mind is relaxed as your body is relaxed, and your body sinks down another ten times deeper relaxed ... Three ... Mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed, and your body is floating down another ten times deeper ... Four ... Conscious mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed, and the body drifts still another ten times deeper ... Five ... The same thing, just keep on going ... Six ... Seven ... Eight ... Nine ... Ten.  Your mind is completely relaxed as the body is completely relaxed, and you just keep on going deeper and deeper into this marvelous state" ...
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              Exit From Progressive Relaxation:

You feel wonderful and deeply relaxed, as all the suggestions I have given you before, that are good for you, are automatically reinforced at this time ... In a moment I will count from ten up to one ... And on the count of one you will open your eyes, and not before ... When you open your eyes you will feel relaxed and satisfied in every way ...

Ten ... Slowly start to come up ...

Nine ... Coming up very slowly...

Eight ... Coming up with renewed energy, both physical and mental ...

Seven ... Happy and content ...

Six ... Full of rest, full of energy

Five ... Coming up more and more ...

Four ... Body systems increasing their activity ...

Three ... Almost all the way up ...

Two ... Your eyes are beginning to open ...

One eyes open, all the way up, feeling wonderful and fine in each and every way.
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I hope this helps.

Sincerely Frank (hypnotist)
my e-mail is hypnotist41@aol.com

[hypnotist]

RECOMMENTDATIONS FOR COUNTING
                  AND OTHER HYPNOTIC PATTER



There are many different ways to take your subject deeper into hypnosis and to have him exit the state.  The most effective method is number counting.  Many hypnotists and hypnothereapists use various forms of counts.  Some use a ten to one count for going deeper, while others use it to exit the state.  Still others may count the same way to deepen and exit the state.  I have found some hypnotists that change directions throughout their induction, deepening, while giving suggestions and exiting hypnosis.  This could be confusing to some people and possibly prevent them from achieving a good hypnotic state.

In my years of practice and research I have found it most effective to use one down to ten to deepen.  Going from a small number to a larger number takes most subjects into a deeper state more rapidly.  Going from ten up to one to exit returns the subject to his normal awareness at the point where he started.  This keeps things simple and consistent.  My logic behind this type of counting is simple.  If you are floating in a pool of water and someone hands you a brick, you begin to float down a little deeper.  If you then are handed a second brick, you float down even deeper.  Now isn't this the same effect that you are expecting to achieve with your subject?  That is, in a sense, having him float deeper into hypnosis.  If you count from ten down to one, you have no more numbers after one and your subject cannot go any further.  If you count from one down to ten you have numbers that follow after and your subject can keep on going if he chooses.  So, commonsense leads you to realize that more helps you to go deeper, and taking away will help you to return from where you started, at the normal aware state.

The techniques of other hypnotists included in this text, and the texts for my intermediate and advanced course, have been modified to include this counting method.  I have also changed some of the works used, such as "sleep" to "relax," to "drowsy," and "deep asleep" to "deeply relax."  The reason for this is because we now know that hypnosis is not a sleep state at all.  Instead, it is a state of relaxation in which our senses are heightened while our body is relaxed, thus allowing physical and behavioral changes to take place.  Remember to keep your directions clear and your subjects will find it easier to follow your directions.

[Parmenion]

Thank you for the script Frank.

Personally, I have no use at present for hypnotising others. I do however, find self hypnosis a great precursor to AP attempts. All it takes for me to relax deeply and have my body feeling very heavy is a count down from 5 to 1 with appropriate suggestions in between. One that Ive recently added is " Today is gone. Tomorrow is a day away. Nothing exists but here and now". I find this very helpfull if my mind is racing for one reason or another and I want to quiet my thoughts very rapidly.

Any suggestions on how I can further utilise self-hypnosis with regards to AP?

All the best,

Dave

[Lisa]

Hi,

I have tried to connect to http://www.blahzone.com/hypnosis/about.html, but I'm unable to.
Is there a problem with the website?
Thanks
Lisa
[?]

[Nerezza]

quote:Originally posted by Lisa

Hi,

I have tried to connect to http://www.blahzone.com/hypnosis/about.html, but I'm unable to.
Is there a problem with the website?
Thanks
Lisa
[?]

Site must be closed, or down for maintance. I'll try and find a mirror for it.

[Nerezza]

I couldn't find a mirror, but here are some other sites:

http://www.hypnos.info/pages/freeselfhypnosis.html

http://www.bcx.net/hypnosis/hypnosis-toc.htm

http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/relaxation/ht/Self_Hypnosis.htm

[Nerezza]

It's been 3 years of trying, two OBE's but only one clearly and a lucid dream helped me with that one. I have discovered the simple fact that I cannot lie still and wait an hour for my mind to fall asleep.

Therefore I have decided to scrap the whole process and try another technique. Self-hypnosis. It's essentially the same thing, except I get to concentrate on my own voice speaking within my head. I do not have to worry about whether or not im breaking concentration(the old way had me wondering the whole time if I was falling into trance yet), nor do I have to worry about talking to myself(the old way screwed me up here when my thoughts began to wonder). Instead of concentrating on a single though or feeling, I talk to myself and guide myself deeper into a trance.

I've tried this two nights with 100% succuss. I've never been so deep in trance before. But last night was more intense. After a few minutes of guiding myself I decided to switch to body awareness and feel as though I was falling. I cannot believe how deep I was, and it happened within about 10 minutes of trying. It's too bad I was "shocked" back to reality when my brother slammed a door(which was a very strange feeling. It sort of felt like someone had poured ice water on me, without the cold feeling. I couldn't stop breathing in shallow breathes and I my body started to lightly convulse. I've never experienced that before.

I will try again tonight, and when I feel confident in my ability, I will begin my OBE training again.

I wrote this for people who have trouble with the technique in astral dynamics. I have taken that technique and combined it with self-hypnosis and I believe I have finally found the solution to the problem which has held me back for so long.

Here is the link to the site about self-hynosis:
http://www.blahzone.com/hypnosis/about.html

What I did was to integrate body awareness into self-hynosis. I beleive that the hypnosis part is fine for the begining, but for OBE purposes, it could not work out as well. Towards the end of the self-hypnosis part, I switched to a falling feeling and I stopped talking to myself. By the time I switch I was already in a light trance and very relaxed, so it was easy for me to start the method discussed in Astral Dynamics. I fell deeper into trance until I felt like I was shrouded by complete darkness,(if anyone has played final fantasy 7, the beginning cinematic with the starfield is a good indication of what it look and sort of felt like) and after awhile it looked like I was gaining perception depth within the shadow.

Again this has helped me, so please if anyone has tried this before, or if you do try it, please share.