Is this a Lucid or what? Need clarification plz!

[Kodemaster]

Hi Zarklon,

It's not uncommon for reality fluctuations while OBE. Did your bedroom look the same otherwise? Actual places look completely different in dreams proper or lucid dreams, while real places look nearly identical, except for a different viewing angle and a few anomalies (things out of place/things missing/things seen that aren't actually there, etc). Rarely do people mistake the real time zone for the physical plane.

The card trick you mentioned has been scrutinised for that very reason...

And for people who say that it's not an OBE unless you know for certain already, well I had my doubts at first, even though I had a legit experience. I was questioning myself for the very same reason you did. It's not uncommon to have doubts; after all it is an unusual experience!

Jeni

[Zarklon]

Yea my bedroom was generally the same .. the pile of cards on my nightstand was arrange diferently .. I saw a Card castle on there that wasnt really there =P just 3 cards stood up.  My poofy chair was in a different spot . A lot of the other stuff was in the same spot. Just a few things different.

So whats the difference in the real-time plane and the physical plane ?

What can I do to change that experience into something real so I can actually test the card theory again to see the real card? Hehe

How do you explain that exit technique ? I mean it wasnt hard , I wasnt like focusing much at all AND I was laying on my side...its quite odd.

[Zarklon]

I've been doin energy raising now and I looked up some stuff on Ki .. I have been practicing making an energy ball in my hands but all I get is warm feelings .. ever since I started doin that .. I usually get feelings of my hands and/or arms being really warm kinda like they are about to melt or something when I try to project.  Is this from energy raising ?  NEW energy ways teaches you how to "feel" for parts of your body and its supposed to do something with energy.. is that like .. making energy flow to that part of your body so you become more "aware" of it ? Is this the process involved in a Ki ball or something? I'm trying to figure out exactly what energy raising is and what to feel and even how to do it.

[Kodemaster]

quote:Originally posted by Zarklon:

Yea my bedroom was generally the same .. the pile of cards on my nightstand was arrange diferently .. I saw a Card castle on there that wasnt really there =P just 3 cards stood up.  My poofy chair was in a different spot . A lot of the other stuff was in the same spot. Just a few things different.

So whats the difference in the real-time plane and the physical plane ?

What can I do to change that experience into something real so I can actually test the card theory again to see the real card? Hehe

How do you explain that exit technique ? I mean it wasnt hard , I wasnt like focusing much at all AND I was laying on my side...its quite odd.

Sounds like the real thing, then. Congratulations!

The physical plane is what we're in now, typing away at the computer. The real time zone is a nearly identical copy of the physical, with some differences. It's what we are in when we leave our bodies and explore our rooms, our neighbourhood...The astral is a different world altogether, with all kinds of landscapes and entities. Looks nothing like here.

Reality fluctuations are said to be caused by memories of things that used to be there remaining in mental energy form, which we pick up when we're OB. They're also said to be caused by our mind generating images based on our thoughts. A third way things can become distorted has to with our OBE vision. Because we can see in all directions at once, our mind can get confused and try to make up for it by placing things in places where we think they are. This is why we may see 3 doors instead of one, or things moved around.

Robert explains it best in his treatise: http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe_1.htm#6

Regarding ki, I've never done that. I would like to sometime in the future.

Regarding your technique, it's very common to feel like you're rolling out of your body when you enter the real time zone. That's the feeling most people have.

The NEW system can also be found on the web: http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm

I think you will find it very beneficial.

Good luck and feel free to ask more questions,

Jeni

[Zarklon]

This was pretty wierd.. I had this experience once before but didnt do anything with it. Last night I was actually able to turn this into a .. lucid? I duno what it was. Anyway , I was lieing on the bed after a shower at 2am.. (same thing I did last time it happened) I tried to listen to the brainwave generator but then took it off aftera while.  I decided just to go to sleep.  I turned on my side (same thing I did last time)  and I thought back about last time. The last time this happened , I thought about floating to the corner of my room and I got a sort of .. vibration in the back of my neck , sorta where my neck meets my shoulders.. I would get this .. feeling or whatever , when I tried to feel like I'm floating to the corner of my room .. What wierd was , I could actually seethe room pretty well with my eyes closed.. I dunno if it was my imagination or some kinda astral vision. I'm not sure.  When I tried to float to the corner of the room that I saw , I would
get the vibrations in my neck.

Last night the same exact scenario happened but this time.. I tried to make the vibrationslast but keeping the floating sensation.. it lasted a while.. and each time I was able to make it last a little longer.Finally I was able to make it last so long that I dint have to focus much on it. This created a feeling that I was rolling out of the bed.. (did I mention each time I
got the vibrations that my body felt limp .. and when it stopped , It tensed up again to normal) anyway .. the rolling out feeling made me feel wierd cause I was worried about if it was real or not.. I didnt wanna really fall out my head and hurt myself so I made a decision.. either let it happen or stop it.. I let it happen.. It felt like I fell and landed on some pillows  or something.  I still felt like i was sliding sideways ... then vision came completely to me (the whole time I had seen black) and I noticed I was floating above my floor about
2 feet. I managed to stop the .. sliding.. then I started spinning in circles in one spot.. after I managed to stop THAT , I floated up to where I had a candle lit and a card  face up. The card was a 10 of spades .. , while floating up there , I started circling in my  room ( against my will ) and it was quite wierd.. I noticed some things that werent real..there were 3 cards on my nightstand .. 2 standing up and the 3rd on top of it like a card castle. I realized that things were getting wierd and i couldnt stop the wide
circling  I was doing.  I tried to feel for my body and when I did , I woke up .. or so I thought..the candle was not lit anymore.. I felt it really hard to walk over to check my card..stumbling a lot..then I saw that the card was something different.. so I thought .. hmm weird.I went back to the bed and layed down.. then I woke up FOR REAL and the candle was lit again.. I didnt know what was goin on.. I decided to check it in the morning instead of
playing out that scenario again hehe.  When I checked it .. the card was still different and thats when I noticed that thigns werent in the same place they had been in my .. ludid dream or whatever.

I'm thinking that in my dream , I thought it was a real projection and I didnt think to try anything else other than to look at my card to check for validity.  

Can anyone tell me what the vibrations in my neck was? Why it happened ? What it means?Anything about it please. I'm trying to figure out what that was all about.

I also got a feeling of thinking with 2 sides of my brain , liek the left side was asking itself"Hmm..whats making the vibrations" the right side was trying to float to the corner of the room.I dont know whats up with that but thats the only way  I could explain the feeling.  

Can someone clarify these questions for me?

Thanks a whole bunch guys. I hope this experience might help someone to enduce their
own like it so I put it in great detail.. as with all my posts =P