Woman's Voice

[Major Tom]

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[Paukki]

Hi Czm33x,
"Astral Dynamics" has info on stuff like astral noises and astral wildlife.  Seemed to me, when I read that, that it's to be expected.  Then here you are, writing your experience with an astral voice, which was followed by Major Tom's link to the topic on fears relating to projecting, (which I read).  I've noticed within the last 24 hours that a "voice" tried a condescending angle on me when I was attempting to go deep, (and cultivating the idea of projecting).  Perhaps if I listened closer, I'd hear this all the time, but since I've been hearing "voices" in my normal, waking life for going on 24 years, (see topic of "Psychic Self-Defense" and sub-topic of "24 years of voices"), I have learned to pretty much ignore this stuff.  So, when your "spirit" went from a commanding tone to a begging tone, I recognized this.  Over the years, I have called this "big mother".  I would pick it up when I made physical exertions, like hysterically whisper-shouting at me to "Slow down!" my pace on the bicycle.  And I would pick up the pace and nothing would happen, (no sudden accident or anything negative).  My actual mother wasn't like that.  Where does it come from?  I've heard all kinds of things about it.  Sometimes I think that the purpose of life is to break out of the smallness, out of our "fishbowls", but there are all kinds of "programs" in our minds, collective minds, ethnic bodies, you name it, that work against this, all too often.  There are those who further attempt to reduce this dynamic to one of the FEAR-or-LOVE choice.

If I had been in on that topic that Major Tom gave us the link for, I think I would say that, in regard to what most frightens me, or works on that side of me, in regard to things astral, is the idea that something could well-up from my subconscious that was planted there in the past.  I recently had at least a quasi-OBE experience, (it happened so fast, it left doubts), that had astral monkeys clambering through the bedroom window, and I know that I never heard of astral monkeys until I started reading some of these books and websites on astral stuff.  Are they really there?  Or did I conjure them up, like the time I got measles in the Army because one other guy got the measles, (but his turned out NOT to be measles, and mine really was measles!)  See what I'm saying?  Robert Bruce talks about astral travel metaphorically, that it's like swimming in the ocean--relatively safe.  Last August I told my grandaughter there was no problem with sharks on the beaches of northwest Oregon, because, (I thought), sharks don't like the colder water.  Yesterday I found out a man lost his foot to a shark right where we'd been swimming.  Therefore, this sort of "coincidence" automatically starts ruminating in the back of my mind, in terms of astral travel and fears, , and gives power to the voices of Big Mother.  Except that I've been hearing them for so long, it's overkill, for me.  If love really does mean putting fear behind you, then why not keep drivin' on, man?      http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

--Paukki

[Kalonek]

Hey great coincidence, i was just about to post something on these voices and i get on this topic. Well, i never achieved a total obe, and am still training with the trance state and chakra developement, but i'm in good way i think. The thing is, i was having a lucid dream and as it was becoming annoying, i decided to jump of the window, and i don't know why i pushed hardly on my astral body, and i felt the vib sensation within a seconde. My vision of my dream disapeared and i was looking my ceiling or my wall (same color so i'm not sure as i was turned against the wall) like behind water, with a wavy sight and gloomy. I heard a woman shout : "you're over your body !! Stop it !" but afterwards i heard a group of men voices telling me "Go ahead ! You nearly got it !" Unfortunately the woman's voice had surprised me and i "came back" to my body into a dream. I woke up like 5 sec later ... I thought i was dreaming, but could it be a first (and very short) OBE ? Or at least i saw my ceiling with astral sight ?

PS : sorry for my poor english

[Czm33x]

A few weeks ago a woman from a spirit world spoke to me while I was using the rope technique, and she said, "Stop!" Her tone was quite commanding, but I ignored her and continued.

Yesterday I heard her again. " I beg of you to stop." Again I ignored her.
Her tone went from one of command to a begging tone.

Why would a spirit try to stop me from astral projecting? I have had very good results with this technique, and I see ap as something positive.