Hey , question about astral projection , can you spy or see someone while astral projecting and what is happening while you see will be real what those persons do ? (not because i want to spy or anything , i just want to know if what you see is real not in your head but real 'in reality' ,i guess not because people would exploit that for their own benefit ) . Have anyone tried writing random numbers on a pieces of paper than drawing random number and leaving it on the table without looking at it , than while astral projecting looking at that number ? That would be interesting . All in all AP is something that i would like to experience and i doesn't matter if it's real or only in my head .
People say that you can see what is happening in real time, but I haven't had much experience with AP. My friend that has AP often told me that he saw what happened in real time, and I believe him 100% but the only way to know for sure is if you see it yourself. Keep practicing!
DickSutphen says you can go any where you want while out of body . http://www.richardsutphen.com/ desert rat
Well if you really can see it in real time , then i know ways that you can make a lot of money :evil: . But i don't believe that you can see it in real time .I'm very skeptical person , i don't believe horoscopes and other stuff like that. I believe in rational thinking and science . I will try to write number on the paper and leave it in some place without me knowing the written number and test it myself tho .
There have supposedly been studies where participants were able to do this. In my own experience, things in RTZ are really really weird and that's normal. I think the reason is because your thoughts and emotions become reality, so if you don't have much control over yourself and your thoughts, you could really distort the RTZ. If you want to prove it, you can only prove it to yourself by doing it.
Quote from: fuzzywuzzy on March 18, 2013, 14:41:10
There have supposedly been studies where participants were able to do this. In my own experience, things in RTZ are really really weird and that's normal. I think the reason is because your thoughts and emotions become reality, so if you don't have much control over yourself and your thoughts, you could really distort the RTZ. If you want to prove it, you can only prove it to yourself by doing it.
Link of studies article
P.S People on other forums that don't involve pseudoscience stuff proved that seeing in real time is impossible . But still the feeling is awesome , i will try it.
Quote from: LeanLow on March 18, 2013, 14:43:12
P.S People on other forums that don't involve pseudoscience stuff proved that seeing in real time is impossible . But still the feeling is awesome , i will try it.
what is pseudoscience? if the results do not fit in our worldview??
vast parapsychological research in especially Remote Viewing, plus many OBEs that took place during NDEs (see the vast literature with many evidence on this) prove that it IS possible to 'view' into the real-time zone and bring back valuable data to check on
Quote from: Volgerle on March 18, 2013, 15:24:03
what is pseudoscience? if the results do not fit in our worldview??
vast parapsychological research in especially Remote Viewing, plus many OBEs that took place during NDEs (see the vast literature with many evidence on this) prove that it IS possible to 'view' into the real-time zone and bring back valuable data to check on
It's hard to critique/judge something that you haven't experienced yourself (i'm talking about myself) , once/if i experience it in future , i will have some sort of conception of it , then i will have my own assumptions . As of now i believe that OBE is possible , but that you can't see in real time , and about remote viewing ,i think rational it's not possible , because if someone would know how to do that they would take advantage of it for their own purposes as i would like to say there would be 'glitch in the system' , but what am i talking about the idea itself seems absurd to me .
Your opinion counts but be aware that others may differ.
I don't believe apples fall to the ground.
Both opinions are debatable. One we really know the answer to.
The other some know the answer to.
Learn the art and then you'll have a different opinion.
Use the art for learning by all means. Use it for greed or the like and it just might bite back.
Respect where its due, we play with toys, this is no toy.
See you out there. :wink:
Quote from: LeanLow on March 18, 2013, 18:24:18
It's hard to critique/judge something that you haven't experienced yourself (i'm talking about myself) , once/if i experience it in future , i will have some sort of conception of it , then i will have my own assumptions . As of now i believe that OBE is possible , but that you can't see in real time , and about remote viewing ,i think rational it's not possible , because if someone would know how to do that they would take advantage of it for their own purposes as i would like to say there would be 'glitch in the system' , but what am i talking about the idea itself seems absurd to me .
It's beyond cool, there is no but.
You should have a skeptical mind if you have no personal experience. That should be true for everyone. It's crazy to me that some people just flat out believe anything and have no personal experience. This applies to skeptics that deny everything because they rationalize everything for the sake of keeping there world in a nice neat package.
Iv also wondered this, I will defiantly be experimenting myself as no one else here wants to say if they have tried this or not.. I think its harder to project into the RTZ tho..? You here a few people say they actually 'roll out' of there physical body or float up and find them selves looking back at there real body laying there sleeping, So that my friend is projecting into the RTZ!
I don't think you could use this to see the lottery numbers anyways (just guessing here) as i don't think you can see into the future in the RTZ, Plus the future is constantly changing.
I usually always pick a random card from a shuffled deck and place it on top of a high shelf in my livingroom. It's basically always there so every time I get obe I can try to verify the card. I have come extremely close a few times, but haven't actually gotten the right card yet flawlessly. Some recent examples are..
NPMR card - Red 7 of hearts, PMR it was red 7 or diamonds
NPMR card - It changed from a Red queen to a Red jack of hearts, PMR it was Red jack of hearts
NPMR card - Black 2 of spades, PMR it was Black 10 of spades
I've been doing this experiment for years and I've realized you really need a clear, open, and focused mind to get somewhat accurate results. I like to make sure I am in control of the obe before I go looking at the card otherwise I will see a bunch of random numbers on the card.
I started doing this experiment with the intent to verify the existence of the NPMR. I've realized since, that this is not the correct way to go about doing it so now I just do it for kicks and giggles. I know that the existence of the NPMR is real because of all my other experiences and being able to compare them with other peoples experiences.
I still find it fun and entertaining though so that's why I continue to do it.
@ Enlightnd,
Find 'Just a dream' and have a read.
Check the dates and newspapers a week later. :wink:
Yes, it is possible. BUT...there's always a BUT :) I've done experiments (similar to what justin35 describes) that showed that you CAN perceive the reality in real time, but some of the experiments showed completely the oposite. I don't know why it happens, but some OOBE seem to be more accurate that the others.
Well there you go, Very cool Szaxx! Im surprised by something every time i check the pulse, Its the best!
@ justin35ll, Thats great! This is what i wanted to here, Some experiments, You are very close! Keep it up.
And yes it would just be fun for yourself, Even being as close as you are would be a buzz! :-)
So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real ??? More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .
Rofl 90% of the world is.
This place is sane by comparison.
Give a few examples.
Quote from: LeanLow on March 20, 2013, 15:48:47
So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real ??? More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .
What are you basing this on ? Do you have a problem with astral projection ? There have been a few posts made by new members that dont alwayse make scense . To a few members English is a secound lang. , but they can usly get there point across . Me ? I am a bad speller . I have also made a post or two after a can or three of beer , and will explane later . I have been acused of being a bot ( computer program ) a couple of times . I am a real human, with out mental illness . desert rat
Quote from: LeanLow on March 20, 2013, 15:48:47
So i read some stuff on this forum , are people for real ??? More than half people on this forum are mentally ill .
LOL. I would like to no also, I too am guilty of dribbling some scrabble after a few too many beers, Whats your description of mentally ill? Because iv read ALOT of different things on this forum and thats the last two words that i would ever use.
Are you directing it at Stories from peoples projections? I no they can be pretty wild, But its no different to what any normal sane person doesn't do every single night while they sleep, whether there conscious off it is the only difference.
People talking about magick like it's real excrement , one dude talking about some place where they could meet in astral and then showing his youtube videos with telekinesis :D , other schizophrenic talking about what he's seeing ... Damn ... Some people need genuine help because it's not even funny .
Lean low, you're the perfect candidate to learn the art. You'll need to be open minded and ready to accept things really strange as part of the learning.
Are you up for it?
Being a skeptic is a brilliant start.
Quote from: Szaxx on March 21, 2013, 07:49:23
Lean low, you're the perfect candidate to learn the art. You'll need to be open minded and ready to accept things really strange as part of the learning.
Are you up for it?
Being a skeptic is a brilliant start.
I believe that astral projection experience are possible , i'm don't think that you can see in real time what is happening in real world while you are in astral , and even thinking about telekinesis is an insult to my intelligence , i mean , cmon , really ? if you believe in that type of sh1t then you are a lunatic and you are possible of believe in even worse things , people like that usually join sects and cults . I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there .Next about desert rat , yes you seem like a guy who is marketing some AP and other stuff like that , you wrote here "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want while out of body " - i mean , what ??? That would be like , i come to a shop and ask for a sails person to show me where the food sector is and the answer would be "The president of USA is Obama" , you get my point . You said "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want while out of body " and the point ?? I need to except it something ? :D .So yes ,by judging of what you have written on that post i think that you are a promoter human or bot doesn't matter . People in general are naive and very easily manipulative . I'm say that i don't think that you can see in real time with AP or that AP is another realm , but that doesn't make it true or that it's not possible , i'm don't denying other options blindly , i just think that it's not possible. And people who are saying that AP is another realm or that it's in real time and wouldn't think otherwise for example that it's something in your brains that is happening and make you see be in AP state (note
the same effect is when you are on LSD) are just stupid and not worth even debating . People like running from their problems and "closing in theirselfs" , people are smoking and don't think about the consequences , because they want to feel "it" now that the later don't matter the same if for drugs . While you are in AP you want to believe it's real because thats the feeling of something from out of this world and it seems very real (example it's like finding that hogwarts is real , that would be cool wouldn't it? I'm generalizing here but, put in the word "hogwarts" the thing that you are fan of or you would like it to be reality . You know what i mean ...), but even scientists don't know even 1% of the human capability and inside structure of how brains work . Well , it's impossible (to my knowledge) that at this time its proven by science that AP is only in your brain and not the other realm as science reject all those sort of things , but the current proofs are not 100% and lacks information . Well ok , as for people who believe that it's in real time , you believe it blindly or did you prove it to yourself , i'm not asking you to prove anything to me , prove it to yourself , or are you just to scared of something and it's fine for you how it is and you believe it . You ask me how can i prove that to myself ? Well write a random digit and a letter on a papers then draw one paper without looking at it and put in near you while you are in AP you will be able to see it woun't you ? And this is nobrainer "proof to yourself" test, well for me it would be "nobrainer" test because i would like to proof that to myself if i believe that you can see in real time while in AP . As i'm finishing my speech , i'm starting to think why i even wrote that much , people don't seek the truth give them beer and games , that's all they need . (I'm talking metaphorically here) . Well ok .. I would be glad to hear thoughts of what i have written here from someone who is not delusional . (Pardon for my gramma) .
P.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .
Interesting mindset, its quite real too. Have a read and see if this opens up any questions, sane ones that is.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/just_a_dream-t36961.0.html
Quote from: Szaxx on March 21, 2013, 09:04:13
Interesting mindset, its quite real too. Have a read and see if this opens up any questions, sane ones that is.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/just_a_dream-t36961.0.html
Questions ? No questions , i see no point in questions you unconsciously are looking something to link your visions/dream to the real events that are happening afterwards - you find what you look for , it's a law of nature, also your dreaming / visions are unclear , what's the benefit of it for you or society ? Besides that you think it makes you special . Even if your dreams / visions was clear and the same thing happened in reality , and after some time you get confident and 100 % knew that what you see in visions will happen in future and you knew the date , location etc , the only thing you could do is - Don't be on that place (if it's something tragic etc...) , or make a money in equity market or find some way of making money , that's it ... No one would believe you even if you said that something tragic will happen in the future , and even if they believed in you and in time society would see that you see future event's , you would be killed , by killed i mean captured and imprisoned by secret agencies for their benefit . I got to far ...
Been there with the authorities. Previous ones were an absolute replica down to the blades of grass. 100% accurate, these people died and the numbers are over thousands if you count them all. It was a long time ago and I managed some control since.
Yep it was heartbreaking too.
Another thread 'NMPR's ending in death', find this and have a read too.
Quote from: Szaxx on March 21, 2013, 09:58:46
Been there with the authorities. Previous ones were an absolute replica down to the blades of grass. 100% accurate, these people died and the numbers are over thousands if you count them all. It was a long time ago and I managed some control since.
Yep it was heartbreaking too.
Another thread 'NMPR's ending in death', find this and have a read too.
Well , you don't need to have visions , to understand that ww3 is inescapable in very near future , if you are interested in geopolitics you can grasp it .
I use DickSutphen's name because he knows his stuff . Some of his mp3 can be downloaded from torrent sites . I think some are on you tube , so its free . In the 70s he made a.p. tapes for guys in jail . I also use a lot of other names . Robert Monroe , Willam Buhlman , Bruce Goldberg , Robert Bruce, and a few more . I use links to wikipedia , on another forum some think I work for them . Wiki is non profit and they ask for donations . desert rat
I'm not sure what kind of reaction you are trying to get out of any of us with your insults to our group. Do you want us to defend ourselves? Bend over backwards to try and prove it to you? That's not our job. If you don't believe us, that's your problem. Not ours.
This is a you tube DickSutphen link . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBxyIoYeyo There are some fear based a.p. videos on you tube made by church groups , I will post a link when I find them . I also use the name Erin Pavlina , her blogs are for free , but I think she still does do readings , for witch she does charge a fee . http://www.erinpavlina.com/ WE all need to eat . desert rat
Art Bell , did his coast to coast over night radio show , not believing all that he talked about over the air . One night while in Paris he had an out of body experence . He said it completely changed his ideas . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell desert rat
To Lean Low , hear is a link to a post-link I made on another forum , its a FEAR based dangers of a.p. you tube video . Its funny to watch . http://halfway.oceanfalls.org/index.php?topic=3004.0 And a discussion of it on astral dynamics http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13423-Dangers-of-oobe desert rat
Geopolitics, rofl,
In 1974 things like these modern political nonsense all goody goody blah didn't exist.
You sound young and pssd off over something.
Take the challenge, Id guess you'd eventually succeed.
To Lean Low , read Robert Monroe's first book " journeys out of the body " where he goes out of body by accdent . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZHXtzuJ9c desert rat
QuoteP.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .
Thank you for the advice. To think, after all this time I've been blindly believing everything I see and hear. I never once considered that things may not be what they seem.
Anyways, why are you here? Are you trying to save our minds from believing something that you don't or are you interested in having your own experiences?
I can guarantee you that one is possible and there is no chance of the other. Everyone here is tired of believing what we have been told is the truth in the face of what we personally know to be different. Once you have a few experiences yourself, you will most likely change your mind in regards to who you think is crazy and who isn't. Of course, that depends on
you not being crazy in the first place.
You mention a few simple parlor tricks that we can try and do in order to prove this to ourselves. Have you considered the possibility that many of us have already objectively proven all of this. The ways in which we have would blow your mind. Then again, it wouldn't make a difference if you are skeptical just for the sake of being ignorant.
I hope you find some of the answers to your simple questions. We already have and now most of us are looking way past the shallowness of having to prove any of this to anybody but ourselves. I'm not saying that we have all the answers. I'm saying that personally we have easily answered some of the questions that science think are hard or impossible to answer.
I dont know why 'arrogrant scientists " are beinging included in this . Astral projection is not relly accepted by scince . I could go on to an astro-phy. forum and tell them the big bang theory ,the red shift of the cosmos, string theory , quntum mec. , and some others are b.s. as they make little scense. desert rat
I'm just curious LeanLow, why did you come to this Forum? :?
You won't make any friends here by calling people a bunch a lunatics and saying they are insane.
A healthy skeptism is one thing, but now you are just plain attacking the concept.
Do you wish to learn or do you just wish to troll everyone.
Trolling on this forum is not allowed and will NOT be tolerated!
Quote from: LeanLow on March 21, 2013, 08:45:23
I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there
I wasn't going to post this as i don't think your worth the time, Why be so negative your coming across as a complete D**K! But anyway, As I'm very new to this it
might open your mind abit.. Might.
I'm VERY sceptical of telekinesis also, Thats something i will probably never believe until i did it personally
or was shown it in person and proved.
That said, I still don't rule it out fully as I'm always getting surprised lately.
As for this guy on the bodybuilding forum... :| Im no expert in this as of yet and i only just had my third conscious Projection this morning, But, You need to realise there are different levels to the astral and copies of the Real world in your sub conscious, This is in a non physical form its not an actual solid material place like earth..(just stating the obvious here) Theres a lot you need to learn, whether you WANT to learn is a different question, Whether these places exist or they are all just in our sub conscious we don't no, But we all go there none the less. Like this morning, I projected twice, The first was a totally random place, The second was in my very room here where i slept, Everything looked identical, But i can't say for sure if it was the RTZ or not as i didn't have anything set to test. But
i think its defiantly possible to project RTZ but it takes a lot more practice, But thats my opinion, And I'm sure ill get there soon enough and prove it to myself. Not to you.
But all those people guessing the wrong letters, I bet some were really close. I read something like this just the other day on here where i was questioning, Basically it sounds like in the RTZ it takes ALOT more practice to be able to see things clearly and as they actually are in the real, They may look similar but have slight faults or differences, Until you can train yourself enough to see things exactly as they are, Well i guess that just comes with determination and practice.
Im still not trying to convince you, Just stating what iv experienced so far and what i have heard and see as easly possible now through my own experience, But You should find out for yourself before you go knocking it all and calling everyone here 'mentally ill' and just being plain rude. Its good to be skeptical for sure! I was slightly skeptical all the way up until a week ago when i found myself flying around the astral planes fully conscious.
Like Its_all_bad says, a lot of people here have proved these things already and are far ahead of this, And once you actually put some time and effort into giving it a solid shot or WANT to yourself then you will always be this negative guy thinking its a load of b.s. And thats fine but we won't want to no you at all.
Quote from: its_all_bad on March 21, 2013, 15:09:09
I hope you find some of the answers to your simple questions. We already have and now most of us are looking way past the shallowness of having to prove any of this to anybody but ourselves. I'm not saying that we have all the answers. I'm saying that personally we have easily answered some of the questions that science think are hard or impossible to answer.
What he said.
Why would some one on a body building forum be an expert on astral projection or p.k. ? Not that there is any thing wrong with a body building forum or body building . One would ask a plumber a legal question . desert rat
Quote from: LeanLow on March 21, 2013, 08:45:23
I believe that astral projection experience are possible , i'm don't think that you can see in real time what is happening in real world while you are in astral , and even thinking about telekinesis is an insult to my intelligence , i mean , cmon , really ? if you believe in that type of sh1t then you are a lunatic and you are possible of believe in even worse things , people like that usually join sects and cults . I don't get whats the point of faking telekinesis , do people feel better after fooling a person who is not so well mentally gifted ? There was a test on some bodybuilding forum , a guy wrote a word with five letters and put in on his window told where he lives etc , the asked for those who know AP to quess the words , 50 ppl~ quessed wrong more than 30+ really genuinely believed that they saw the correct word , no one guessed the right word as it was not 5 but actually more letters , so there are a lot of crazy folks out there .Next about desert rat , yes you seem like a guy who is marketing some AP and other stuff like that , you wrote here "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want while out of body " - i mean , what ??? That would be like , i come to a shop and ask for a sails person to show me where the food sector is and the answer would be "The president of USA is Obama" , you get my point . You said "DickSutphen says you can go any where you want while out of body " and the point ?? I need to except it something ? :D .So yes ,by judging of what you have written on that post i think that you are a promoter human or bot doesn't matter . People in general are naive and very easily manipulative . I'm say that i don't think that you can see in real time with AP or that AP is another realm , but that doesn't make it true or that it's not possible , i'm don't denying other options blindly , i just think that it's not possible. And people who are saying that AP is another realm or that it's in real time and wouldn't think otherwise for example that it's something in your brains that is happening and make you see be in AP state (note the same effect is when you are on LSD) are just stupid and not worth even debating . People like running from their problems and "closing in theirselfs" , people are smoking and don't think about the consequences , because they want to feel "it" now that the later don't matter the same if for drugs . While you are in AP you want to believe it's real because thats the feeling of something from out of this world and it seems very real (example it's like finding that hogwarts is real , that would be cool wouldn't it? I'm generalizing here but, put in the word "hogwarts" the thing that you are fan of or you would like it to be reality . You know what i mean ...), but even scientists don't know even 1% of the human capability and inside structure of how brains work . Well , it's impossible (to my knowledge) that at this time its proven by science that AP is only in your brain and not the other realm as science reject all those sort of things , but the current proofs are not 100% and lacks information . Well ok , as for people who believe that it's in real time , you believe it blindly or did you prove it to yourself , i'm not asking you to prove anything to me , prove it to yourself , or are you just to scared of something and it's fine for you how it is and you believe it . You ask me how can i prove that to myself ? Well write a random digit and a letter on a papers then draw one paper without looking at it and put in near you while you are in AP you will be able to see it woun't you ? And this is nobrainer "proof to yourself" test, well for me it would be "nobrainer" test because i would like to proof that to myself if i believe that you can see in real time while in AP . As i'm finishing my speech , i'm starting to think why i even wrote that much , people don't seek the truth give them beer and games , that's all they need . (I'm talking metaphorically here) . Well ok .. I would be glad to hear thoughts of what i have written here from someone who is not delusional . (Pardon for my gramma) .
P.S People don't be naive , don't believe anything blindly what you hear or read , and don't be delusional people that i mentioned or people like arrogant scientists (don't get me started how many times in history science failed and one theories changed the other) so even science can not be 100% 'legit' sometimes. I will tell you one secret , there could be things that you blindly believe or think that something is unquestionable and undisputed truth , but guess what , it's not always as you think it is .
You sound fun.
This.... this one's the clincher...
"I believe that astral projection experience are possible"
Well that's just great isn't it.
I see that some people didn't understood what i meant ... I'm sorry if i offended someone , that wasn't my intention . I have read whole "Ultimate_Journey-Robert A Monroe" book yesterday , tried for 2 hours straight today - nothing , after i got up from bed my body parts was numb . The hardest part seems to be concentrating because after some time i cought myself 'drifting' in dream . Also after first hour my throat dries up and i automatically swallow plus i was hungry . I'm trying it in day light and that seems to be a problem because when i close my eyes it's not dark but almost white , maybe i will try to put solarium shades that you can't see anything through them , but then if i projected would i be able to see ? . I'm dedicated to experience this myself , i will give it a go for a month or so . I will try today again .
Have you read this,
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html
Your above post shows progress.
Keep doing what you're doing for now unless you relate strongly to the contents. It's ideal for those with some non physical experience.
Glad you're dedicated, you'll get great rewards once successful.
Tips,
Don't try to force this and it's best not to expect anything. That sounds counterproductive but it's not.
Wow, you read the whole book and then tired to AP, but nothing happened.
I'm shocked! :-o
You need to put a lot more work into it then that.
This takes patience, a lot of practice and perseverance.
Read more on this Forum and you will see how it took some members YEARS to learn this.
But, you are starting out right. Immerse your mind in everything you can find on this topic.
Practice often.
Learn to meditate.
Go to YouTube.com search for videos on AP, there's a ton of them out there.
These are all things that will help you to shift your focus, from this physical reality to the non physical reality.
Also even if i'm concentrated , some songs are just stuck in my head and the harder i'm trying not hear it the more i hear it , does that effect AP ?
Quote from: LeanLow on March 22, 2013, 07:06:00
Also even if i'm concentrated , some songs are just stuck in my head and the harder i'm trying not hear it the more i hear it , does that effect AP ?
Only if you believe it will! :wink:
Play on the song. Do the opposite of ignoring it. Make it loud and clear, you'll be able to put your own words to it then and change it with a thought. It could become that clear that the group are in your room with you.
Have a read,
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/auditory_command-t37195.0.html
Quote from: LeanLow on March 22, 2013, 06:51:08
I see that some people didn't understood what i meant ... I'm sorry if i offended someone , that wasn't my intention . I have read whole "Ultimate_Journey-Robert A Monroe" book yesterday , tried for 2 hours straight today - nothing , after i got up from bed my body parts was numb . The hardest part seems to be concentrating because after some time i cought myself 'drifting' in dream . Also after first hour my throat dries up and i automatically swallow plus i was hungry . I'm trying it in day light and that seems to be a problem because when i close my eyes it's not dark but almost white , maybe i will try to put solarium shades that you can't see anything through them , but then if i projected would i be able to see ? . I'm dedicated to experience this myself , i will give it a go for a month or so . I will try today again .
If you really want to do this, don't give it a time frame like it has to happen in one month or you give up. Some people take a while to learn. I'm not sure why, but it's different for everyone. Your body being numb is a good sign. Swallowing isn't a big deal unless you let it be a big deal. Try to get into a state where your mind is awake but your body is asleep. I've heard theta binaural beats can help beginners.
Hello Leanlow,
There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism. We understand that we make some incredible claims but once you have a few of your own experiences, you'll begin to understand. You will never learn it all or cease to be fascinated but you will lose most of your desire to prove it to anyone but yourself.
You will be amazed at how extraordinary claims and ideas become normal to your new understanding. I hope that you keep trying until you succeed. Skepticism with an open mind is all you need. Outright and absolute denial of something in which you have no understanding of is as foolish as believing everything we say is true.
We don't want that for anyone. Good luck and keep exploring.