Journey to the future and past at the same time

[Voyager]

I did it!
But I didn't use a machine, and I didn't do that with my body.
I just was under hypnosis/trance

well, it was in the year: 1982/83
and 1.5 years ago: on February 2009

the sitiuation is a little bit difficult to understand, I will try that to explain more clearly.

A = Me, 12 or 13 yo(year 1982/83). In the classroom of my school
B = Me, 1.5 Years ago, in my bed (not asleep) around 2 o,clock in the morning.

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A:
That time (1982) I couldn't speak German neither English.
(I am from Turkey, and lived in Germany and went to a Turkish school in Germany)
My woman teacher(also from Turkey) came to me and winked with her eye to me.
Just without any reason.
I thought "she wanna have something from me"
The next day she put a rose on my table.
I asked her "whats about the rose?"
She said to me "You said, that I shall give you a rose as a present!"
I could swear that I didn't say that.
Then I took the rose and throw it into the dustbin.
A day later, a boy named "Ali" came to me and beat me "Other pupil says
that you called me as a "dosser (bummer)" he said.
But I never have said that.

Well, a few days ago before all that happened, I sat in the classroom,
My woman teacher began to hypnotise me, I spoke under hypnosis...
After I waked up, I didn't know what I have said, not even know that I was under hypnosis.
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B  1.5 years ago, I lay in my bed.
I don't know how it's happened. I got in touch with A , with myself when I was
a 12 year old boy. When I was lying in my bed, I saw that moment in the school,
and myself under trance. B  I began to think, and A  says everything
what B is thinking.
The woman teacher is asking questions to A  and B  is hearing that,
and thinking the answers A  is answering to the teacher and other pupil in the classroom.
B  I began to think "I think this is a dream"
A  "I think this is a dream" A  is repeating everything what B thinks.
All the other students in the classroom begins to laughing.
B  is thinking "Teacher, is that all true? Or just a dream?"
A   "Teacher, is that all true? Or just a dream?"
(Well I think that I do not need to repeat everthing that A says automaticly everything what B thinks.)

Teacher "My son, you're just telling us your thoughts from your time."
B "How is that possible? I think that's all a dream, if not then do something extraordinary thing, give me a wink with your eye"
As soon as I said that B is remembering to that situation where the
woman teacher has already done it in that time. B "That's unbelievable."
B "Teacher, I have another wish, give me a rose as a present."
B after remembering that again, thinks again "That's unbelievable."

B is looking to other students with the eyes of  A.
Everything seems hazy, not clearly.
B "Where is Ali?"
Students "He is not here today."
B "Such a dosser" everybody is laughing.
So B knew, why the next day, Ali has beaten him.


(Today that's all. I will write the rest another time)

[blis]

Are you sure it was time travel and not just you reliving the repressed memories of when you were under hypnosis?

Why was your teacher hypnotising a 13 year old kid infront of a class?

[Voyager]

no
I gave my cellphone number and my e-mail adress
to my teacher and to a girl(that time 1982, you know there was not even internet neither cellphones)

I don't know why my teacher did it.

but I will write the rest another day

[Voyager]

And everytime I remember the following story, I today laugh about it.

There was a girl in the class her name was "Aysha" and she was 15. I liked her very much.
The teacher must have known that. Another day she hypnotised both of us at the same time.
B is still lying in bed. I spoke to Aysha over A.
B "Aysha, would you please stand up?" then she did it. "Turn round please, I can't recognize you well." She did it at once without any hesitating. I found that very funny.
All other students began to laugh again.
B "What do you think, would we be happy if we get marry?"
A girl sitting beside her laughed and wispered "Say, yes we would"
The teacher wispered "Please let them speak alone"
Aysha said "Yes we would."
B At that time I suddenly recognized the situation. That was not a dream!
I got very exiceted and afraid.
B "Teacher, whats that? I never have done something like this."
Anyhow I began to speak, but I never didn't want that other students hearing us speaking.
B "Aysha, do you speak English?" I asked her. Because there was nobody in the class he could do that. Not even our teacher "I don't want that everybody understand us"
Aysha "No, I can't"
B "Teacher, I don't want that other students hearing us, can you please take us to
another empty classroom?"
Teacher "No, I can't do that"
B "Well then,  Aysha I give you my cellphone number. Wright it down and call me after 26 years my love."
All other students began with laughter.
B I stand up from my bed, took my Phone lying on the table (I don't know the number
by heart) I thougt B "0151......." and A said it.

After 2-3 Days (1982/83) the parents of Aysha came to us as guests. I would say they came
to raid. (At that time I still hadn't any idea what was happened in the school, the students
told me something about hypnosis, but I didn't listen them carefuly, and went to play.)

The father of Aysha was very angry. I got the feeling he almost beat me. The other students
from the class must have told them what was happen. The man began to tell the story which happened in the classroom between Aysha and me. I understood nothing. I didn't know
what was his problem. He put out a paper from his pocket and showed to me "And this
number you have given her, what's that for a number?"
I looked to the number "No, this is not even my handwriting"
He "I didn't say this is your handwriting, you told the number to her, and another girl wrote it down."  I said "No, I haven't done such a thing."
He "And you should have asked her –let's speak English, I don't wanna hearing other students to us. And then you asked the teacher taking you both to a empty classroom."
I laughed "What? I even can't speak German. Where do you have that idea?"
He "And you told her, my love call that number after 26 years so we can speak together."
His wife said "Come on man, don't frighten the boy so much. If they love each other,
then let's give our daughter to him."
He "Wife, do you know what about do you speak? He is still a child. How can he support a family?"

At that time I don't now how it happened, I today still can't understand it. I at once became
the man I am today (the man 1,5 years ago)
I spoke with a loud voice and without any fear (B and A) "Watch out man! Keep quiet! If you wanna give me your daughter so do it! If not, then let me alone, and get lost here!"
Nobody said a word for a short while. Everybody including my parents were silent.
His wife said "My god, what is happen? He suddenly speaks like an adult." She was very afraid.
And I go on "After 20 years, you will see that television is just two fingers thick, then you will remember our speech, after that wait 6 years, and dial the number you have, then you can speak with me. But at that time you both already will be divorced."

6 Months ago(2010) I went to his wife. I heard that they already were divorced. Her man has gone 5 years ago to Turkey forever. I told her about the story above. She was 65-70 years old.
The poor woman couldn't even remember what she had for breakfast I think.

[justin35ll]

Very interesting, a little hard to understand, kinda hard to believe, wish she could remember what happened 20 years ago

[E]

This must have you very perplexed, Voyager.  You could just view it as an extremely interesting thing that has happened in your life - hold it in your memories and enjoy and wonder about it - and keep it at this light level, not worrying about it.  Knowing that things will unfold for your understanding when you are ready.

Just some thoughts - take them with a grain of salt.
1.  It almost sounds like you hypnotised the teacher rather than the other way around.  Not on purpose, you just have abilities you are not aware of.
2.You may have inherited from your past some outstanding psychic abilities.  You don't remember these abilities or why you have experiences like you describe.  They are way deep inside. 
3.  I don't know how much you care about understanding yourself.  Something like you have described can be like a nugget of curiosity that you would like someone to explain and then you are done with it.  On the other hand if you are interested in exploring any psychic abilities further, you need help and direction and I sure wish I knew where you could go for that.  A whole lot of people, even doctors, priests/ministers, psychologists and friends simply wouldn't understand or even care to understand. 

If nothing else your experience should tell you that we and our minds are intricate beyond anything we can imagine.  May I suggest that you ask for help and understanding from your own inner self.  Just ask with all sincerity as you would in a prayer. 

[Voyager]

Thanks E
She said to me at that time 1982/83, that I have some abilitys which I don't know.
Which I will know  after my middle age.

The woman was a very good fortune teller as well.
(I never believe in fortune tellers) but almost everything, what the woman said
each word already happened to me. Some of them still not happened.
But I am awaiting with curiosity of that  events.
And  I'm bursting with curiosity, what for abilitys should I have which I don't know.
I don't know how I will find them out.

She hypnotised several other students. She said when the time comes, everybody of us
will believe that we had a dream excepting me. He will not believe that it was a dream, she said. I often spoke in German under hypnosis, but at that time I only knew e few words and sentences, but that boy was A, So I spoke as B in touch with A,
Everybody in the class was suprised how I was able to speak so perfect German.
The teacher didn't know German, she often asked me to speak Turkish.

One time she said: I see that he(about me) always learning English, but I don't know
why he does it, even he don't know it.
B:
I began several years ago to study English just with myself at home, I began with books
and cassettes. Just as a hobby, I think. Sometimes I ask myself why I do that for years.

You ask me "I don't know how much you care about understanding yourself."
For 2 years this is a question of me as well, against me, I didn't care understanding myself
all my life.

There are several other phenomenons happened in my life excepting that hypnosis, which I can not explain to myself. I only can wonder and shake my head, because I can't find any reasonable answer. But those are an another story.

[E]

I hope you don't get caught up in the A B split.  It is all you.

And  I'm bursting with curiosity, what for abilitys should I have which I don't know.
I don't know how I will find them out.

Little by little, I would guess.  Intuitive understandings, knowing something before it happens, strong nudges to do something (like learning English), having something like a book kind of pop out at you from a shelf, dreams that remain vivid in your memory - many things.  You have gifts that you will grow into.  Keep your patience and curiosity.  Stay balanced in your daily life.

[Voyager]

of course it's all me. (A and B)
I just gave it as example for better understanding.

An austrian hypnotist told me, this is possible what I have experienced.
The time doesn't exist which we know in that way.

Well to make an astral journey is another story.
Do you know, not only I made an astral journey,
as if there is no time existing, the time can not exist.
How could I send my thoughts from the future into the past, to myself/over myself to the others!? At that time (1982/83 and Feb. 2009) in which I had contact to myself
the time didn't/couldn't exist.

I will try to do that again. But in the past I can not remember such a (let me say checkpoint)
situation like in 1982/83. So I have to make a checkpoint now, and try to go into the future
10, 20, 30 years.
In other way, I think this was only the teachers ability making me that.

Under hypnosis later I said B "Teacher, please stop this! I wanna wake up." It was for me alone not possible to break the contact! I got so much fear, talking nonsense (after remembering as B why "Ali" has beaten me, I had fear bringing myself A in trouble, from future.
She said "Shut and open your eyes stronger for 3 times."
I did it B  and at the same time Adid it to, after doing that the contact was lost.
For A, there was nothing what he could remember. And B still lying in bed
was very amazed about all that.

[Voyager]

Well, let me explain now in detail.
February 2009, I lay in my bed, 2 O'clock in the morning (let me call here person B)

And year 1982/83 I sat in my classroom, a 12 yo. boy under hypnosis (let me call here person A)

The school is about 10 km(6,5 miles) far from me.
(B) I don't know how it happened, I left my body, during I lay in my bed. I was outside
and flew to the school in 1 second. When I stood at the door of the school, I already could hear
the teacher over myself (A)
Teacher: "He is now in front of the door" (A) I sat on my chair, silent, eyes closed.
"Now he is on the roof of us" (she meant me B)
A girl asked "How can he do that so fast?"
Teacher "Now he is looking from the window into the room we are in."
"Now he is in the classroom and searching his body"
"He found it now"
B I gave a kiss to A my cheek.
Then I B begun to think in my bed, and I A told the messages I received from me B  

(I don't now how the teacher knew, where I was (on the roof, and in front of the door and so on...) But she told the true)

(Other short speech I didn't write above)
I  "Teacher I will give you my e-mail adress, write it down, and don't forget sending me an e-mail"
"m, hyphen(I said that word in german: Bindestrich )
She "stop, whats Bindestrich?"
Me "I don't know, it's a line, look into the dictionary!"
"...a, k, ...... at web.de"
She "whats at?"
I said "write an O and an a into the O"

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(When I woke up as A, I today can remember, that a girl came to me with a paper in her hand
and asked me "Is that an at?"
She showed me a letter O in the middle of it was an a, because I hadn't any idea what was happen, I just looked in her eyes and laughed "What's that?"
Later the teacher asked to me "Do you know what's "Bindestrich" in Turkish?"
I answered "No!"
She "Then, look into the dictionary by yourself" then I did it, (but as B I must have forget
the translating, I never used that word in Turkish) )
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I was a very very naughty boy in the school. I never gave attention to lessons. Once even I made
my teacher cry.
I B remembered those situations. I was so sad, now I could cry.
I "Teacher..." with a very sad voice, as if I would cry at once "I am so sorry, that I was so rude
to you, and that I am so naughty. Please, please forgive me my teacher! I like you so much"
She "My son, I already have forgiven you!"
I "I am so sad"

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I can remember, that later she gave me often sweets and chocolates.
A boy came to me and said: "What for a flatterer are you? You begged the teacher as if you
were a dog, you did it in hope to pass the class." He must have been some of the idiots, who didn't realised what was happened. And I didn't know as always what was happened.
----->

The teacher hypnotised me 3 times, in intervals of 1-3 weeks beetwen each hypnosis.
One day after weeks came the father of "Aysha" to us again.
He said that we(me and Aysha) were innocent, he heard that the teacher has hypnotised us.
He suggested me going together to the police and making a complaint against the teacher.
He took me, and we went to the police, standing at the police, he couldn't speak german,
I couldn't speak german, the police said, we should bring a translater with us.
Outside he said to me "I heard you can speak very well german."
I said,  "No I can't" later, we didn't go to the police twice.

One day the husband(he was our teacher to) of our woman teacher came to me in the class room
and said "It's common that men gives roses to women, don't you think it's an extraordinary
case, to get a rose from a woman as a man?"
He said "And what's about the wink from my wifes eye? Do you wanna seduce my wife?"
At that time I didn't know what was the matter.
B Today I know what he meant. He must have known everything, and he just joked with me.

[Xanth]

Man, I am completely lost... too many A's... too many B's... too many arrows... lol

[E]

ROFL

[radman32]

Poor Xanth ... haha. Very cool situation though Voyager. That is phenomenal. So you didn't get a reply from the girl or teacher later in life? Do you think that this girl was a love from a past life?

[Voyager]

2 Months after my contact, I heard just by accident from my sister
that "Aysha" were already divorced. She must live somewhere in the same city I am.

There was an event I didn't write:

Last sunday I found out the phone number of my teacher(the man of my woman teacher)
They are both in Turkey.
At evening I called him. As I said my name, he could remember me.
He said that he was here in Germany on 2004.
I asked him to speak with his wife, he gave the phone to her.

But she couldn't remember me (I was so dissappointed, how could that possible? I asked myself)
I asked her, how she could knew what will happen in my life, she said "I have strong feelings"
Then I asked her (in hope that maybe she could remember me, which I maybe should do in an
another way) if she can remember, that she has hypnotised me in the class.
Then she got suddenly excited, and said "Have a nice evening!" and hang up the phone.

I think she got in trouble in the past doing that to other students, maybe in Turkey as well.
I think she really couldn't remember me, maybe not.

But 1982/83, she said, that later I will get in touch with her on the phone.

[Pauli2]

Voyager, could you please summarize what you think you have discovered?

[E]

Well, maybe you could call her again and try to set up a meeting with her.  She is certainly a key player in your mysteries.  If she is willing I'll bet she could unravel a few things.

[Voyager]

Voyager, could you please summarize what you think you have discovered?

Do you mean something special? At the moment, I don't know it.
Maybe in the future

Well, maybe you could call her again and try to set up a meeting with her.  She is certainly a key player in your mysteries.  If she is willing I'll bet she could unravel a few things.

No, I won't do that again! I am not a disquieter.
I next year on April will just go to her, without tell it her before.
And this time, I will give her a rose (the same one red rose she gave me)
with my name and e-mail adress, (or in a parcel with post, ups etc..)
then I will go without say anything.
Perhaps then, she can remember my name.
Because I am really disappointed about her, after she just hang up the phone.
She was only the one teacher in my live, I realy loved her (althoug after 26 years)

She is certainly a key player in your mysteries.

Oh Yes, she is.


It was such a rose:

[Voyager]

I am gonna mad.
How is such an event possible?
There is nobody who can verify, I experienced.

I say to myself: I must have had hallucination, but in other way I have the recall
of the rose, then the event in which Ali has beaten me,
then I think: maybe it was just a gift, and Ali maybe made a mistake,

But there was the Cell Phone nr. "0151...." I gave to Aysha, and her father
showed it to me. And my e-mail adress, which I gave to that time (1982/83)

(At that time 1982/83 the father of Aysha said "01 is Berlin's area code")
A few months ago I found out that Berlin has not the area code "01"
so I began to think, that I had a dream/hallucination
But later I found out that Berlin had had the area code "01" and they changed it as "03"
since they have here cellphones. Because the cellphones are beginning here with "01"

So I think that I can not dreamed, but I ask myself, How is that possible?
And whats the sense of that story in itself? / what was the aim/purpose of the teacher?

[krobin1533]

Am I the only one that thinks this is ridiculous?

[Bellend_1010]

Am I the only one that thinks this is ridiculous?

No I smell bull-excrement also.

[Voyager]

Well guys,
think what you want.
But you're both right! If anyone tell me such a story I had,
and if I hadn't  experienced that, I never would believe him a word!

And I am not here to make you believing in me!
I just wanna know, if anybody here had had such an experience like mine.

[maximus13]

Guys, this is totally not bovine excrement. This is a totally real process. Hypnotization is nothing to f*ck with, it can create parallel realities and split personalities in some cases. There are forms of hypnotizing that aren't harmful but in the hands of somebody powerful, you can really create some bizarre instances such as this.

[manwesulimo2004]

Guys, this is totally not bovine excrement. This is a totally real process. Hypnotization is nothing to f*ck with, it can create parallel realities and split personalities in some cases. There are forms of hypnotizing that aren't harmful but in the hands of somebody powerful, you can really create some bizarre instances such as this.

Hmmm... So what are your experiences with hypnosis?

[SirMike]

But I thought time doesn't exist and its just a perception we use at our focus level C-1 ?? (or what ever you want to call it )

And also, you can't go back in time and change something because if you fixed it than what was there ever to change;  Nothing, And I sort of understand what you mean by this thread, I just can't wrap my head around the whole teacher hypnosis thing o.O lol.. I guess we will never know why she was trying to do hypnosis on a 12/13 yr. old boy.. 

[Gummage]

I just read this lol!

I think this guys yankin our chains.